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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarWarden View Post
    I wonder if the Pak-Fa will ever open its weapons bay doors. J-20 did it in flight and have yet to see the Pak-Fa do it while static.


    The J 20 is more of a "hey look, I have a 5th gen stealth fighter" project than the Pak Fa is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarWarden View Post
    But the russians love to stage a lot of their military for the populace. They have Pak-Fa doing all sorts of stuff in the air showing off to the world how great their aircraft is but they don't video its weapons bay opening? Come on now! That is not the russian way. I'm probably in the majority when i say, if there's no pics or video it didn't happen. I don't know what the big deal is...they are just weapons bay. Just one pic or short vid is all it takes.
    I'm more interested in the PAK FA's side weapons bay -- I can imagine how the ventral weapon bays open, but the side weapons bay for the SRAAMs are quite an interesting arrangement, I'm not sure where the hinges are or even the overall shape of the panels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KGB View Post


    The J 20 is more of a "hey look, I have a 5th gen stealth fighter" project than the Pak Fa is.
    I'm pretty sure that image of PAK FA a CGI? I think it was made by GaoShan a few years back...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarWarden View Post
    I'm probably in the majority when i say, if there's no pics or video it didn't happen.
    So?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzo View Post
    I'm pretty sure that image of PAK FA a CGI? I think it was made by GaoShan a few years back...
    Correct. Let's stay on topic though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trident View Post
    So?
    So there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KGB View Post


    The J 20 is more of a "hey look, I have a 5th gen stealth fighter" project than the Pak Fa is.

    Really? Are you serious? Why would you think i'd believe this CGI is real?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarWarden View Post
    Really? Are you serious? Why would you think i'd believe this CGI is real?
    was just providing a depiction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KGB View Post
    The J 20 is more of a "hey look, I have a 5th gen stealth fighter" project than the Pak Fa is.
    Is that why Russian fanboys are on this thread posting fake images?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Multirole View Post
    Is that why Russian fanboys are on this thread posting fake images?
    Shh... let him have his moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantumFX View Post
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    Impressed with the J-20 fit and finish. The design has come a long way. That, and frankly this is one bird that looks better in the air than on a runway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rii View Post
    Is the L-15's radome really any smaller than the J-7's? The radar was likely developed from that line of technology.
    The J-7 shock cone is VERY small, smaller than the MiG-21s. Guizhou have had more experience with the J-7 airframe with their JJ-7 and JL-9 aircraft. Perhaps its related to the Q-5 somehow? Anyway it's a unique radar, which itself is odd since the PLAAF is moving towards a more uniform mass upgrade of capabilities rather than piecemeal upgrades. It was probably developed for export only. Which really brings me to another point, did the L-15Z/L-15AFT sale UNDERMINE a potential JF-17/FC-1 sale? Is the
    $100 million sale ($16.6 million each with equipment, weapons, radar and crew training package) of the more combat oriented L-15AFT a future threat to sales of the JF-17 in 3rd world markets?

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    i am a bit underwhelmed with the size of the armament bay considering the size of the jet. I thought they could have more room extending further toward the back of the body.

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    where's the flares bay on the j-20? if it has one

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle View Post
    Not necessarily. The deeper middle is where the ejector racks and the AAM fins go. Same as F-22.
    Yup, you are correct. I forgot about the ejectors - http://media.defense.gov/2012/Apr/13...-OD451-001.JPG

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    Quote Originally Posted by KGB View Post
    i am a bit underwhelmed with the size of the armament bay considering the size of the jet. I thought they could have more room extending further toward the back of the body.
    I don't necessarily disagree with that. Looks like it will have similar limitations to the F-22 when it comes to A-to-G munitions.

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    2x J-20 LRIP birds (on their way to Zhuhai Air Show?):







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    And back at CAC, one J-20 is testing with what appear to be 4-drop tanks?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
    looks great and very influenced by Russian camo

    There is nothing special about that camouflage. Many people use it
    it was a Swedish invention. the US uses it, China, Russia. it is normal

    HOWEVER

    China is the first one to combine the use of stealth paint AND m90 camouflage.
    the US just uses stealth paint evenly and has not figured out how to apply it in more variations
    Russia is using conventional paint with RAM

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    Quote Originally Posted by KGB View Post


    The J 20 is more of a "hey look, I have a 5th gen stealth fighter" project than the Pak Fa is.
    that is a fake picture. but I don't blame you for being tricked as Chinese youth are very good at graphics

    the real Pak-fa bay can only carry two missiles.
    see the pak-fa bay test bed on the su-47. so most likely 4 missiles. 2 in each bay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantumFX View Post
    And back at CAC, one J-20 is testing with what appear to be 4-drop tanks?

    very difficult to tell from low resolution pictures.
    but if it is 4 drop tanks, then the j-20 likely will have the longest range of all the 5th generation aircraft in existence.

    but I think they are anti ship missiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarWarden View Post
    I wonder if the Pak-Fa will ever open its weapons bay doors. J-20 did it in flight and have yet to see the Pak-Fa do it while static.
    Hmm, never.. It's logical to design weapon bays and then never use them.. makes sense..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSphere View Post
    Hmm, never.. It's logical to design weapon bays and then never use them.. makes sense..
    It was rhetorical question. But I'm not surprised you're the only one that didn't know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
    where's the flares bay on the j-20? if it has one
    Here:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byoin View Post
    the US just uses stealth paint evenly and has not figured out how to apply it in more variations
    Say what?

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...4a6efb2101.jpg

    http://media.defense.gov/2005/May/13...-2295B-280.JPG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trident View Post
    Here:

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    incorrect, they are on the bottom, not top

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarWarden View Post
    It was rhetorical question. But I'm not surprised you're the only one that didn't know that.
    Mine was a rhetorical answer. But I'm not surprised you're the only one that didn't know that.

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    what are you showing me here ? Those spots are more from just heat dissipation no ?

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    In my view, the J-20 appears to be far more agile in the air than its design would otherwise suggest, at least based on the videos so far available, and especially considering the fact that it lacks TVC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KGB View Post
    what are you showing me here ? Those spots are more from just heat dissipation no ?

    Such a fountain of knowledge!

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