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  1. #751
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    ... wait why would anyone assume that the 60hr endurance is for max payload?

    Surely when looking at the aircraft and it's specs one would naturally assume or at least recognize that the 60hr endurance is for a low external payload mission like ISR only.



    I can't imagine anyone familiar with UAVs would think the 60hr payload is for the aircraft with a full 1 ton external payload

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzo
    ... wait why would anyone assume that the 60hr endurance is for max payload?
    Endurance for MQ-9/CPB, Eitan (which, I found in the meantime, is actually a 5.4t airframe rather than 4.7t, making 36h all the more believable despite its relatively powerful PT6) and Altius-M appear to be quoted with ~1t payloads, as far as I can tell. That's not maxed out at least for the MQ-9s either, but a substantially higher fraction of MTOW than 200kg for CH-5 (and with 60h there's no telling if they didn't leave even internal ISR equipment off to wring it out), and you know there are those who will not be bothered with such details

    I think it is entirely appropriate to put that caveat out there - those who knew before are always free to ignore it.

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    @trident

    I suppose we have different levels of vigilance when looking at specs.

    Generally speaking I don't assume the numbers that are given out are ever a "representative" or "load out" specific number, unless otherwise suggested either by other numbers (like if payload is at max and if range and endurance are correspondingly lower, then that would suggest range and endurance numbers are for that given payload), or unless the manufacturer explicitly states something like "endurance at given ABC range with XYZ payload".

    Same vigilance applies for things like missile range, radar detection range, etc as well.


    And yes, of course putting the caveat out there for people who are unfamiliar with that nuance is useful, however when you said that you tended to "agree with him" (which I assume you to mean tomcatvip), I was wondering what part of his statement you were agreeing with.
    Because he's making it sound like the specs are wrong or fake and that even the pictures and videos are fake (!), when in reality he's just reading the specs wrong and the pictures and videos are obviously real.
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    PLAAF rough inventory:

    Fighters

    5th Gen - 15 J-20
    4.5 Gen - 8 Su-35SK, 100+ J-10B/C
    4th Gen - 130+ J-11B/BS, 105 J-11/A, 28 Su-27UBK, 270+ J-10/A/S (PL-12, R-77 compatible)
    4th Gen - 36 Su-27SK (R-77 NOT compatible)
    Older Gen - 100+ J-8F Standard (PL-12 compatible assuming all J-8D and J-8H have been upgraded to 'F' standand)
    Older Gen - 80 J-7G/G2 (No BVR)

    Fighters + Attack

    4.5 Gen - 48+ J-16
    4th Gen - 70+ Su-30MKK

    Attack

    120 JH-7A
    50+ H-6K

    Reccon
    24 JZ-8F

    AWACS
    4 KJ-2000, 5 KJ-200, 2 KJ-500

    EW
    9 Tu-154M/D, 4 Y-8CB, 8 Y-8G, 1 Y-9G 5 Y-8T, 2 Y-8XZ, 2? Y-9XZ

    UAV
    BZK-005

    UCAV
    WD-1K

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