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    Quote Originally Posted by Semi-Lobster View Post
    It kind of got lost in the last thread but I was wondering if anybody here knew anything about alleged PESA radar mounted in the Zambian L-15Z? What sort of range and compatibility does it have? Do we even have a name?
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    it seems nothing more than a rumor.
    it is highly unlikely a trainer plane, even an armed one, would use a pesa radar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Semi-Lobster View Post
    It kind of got lost in the last thread but I was wondering if anybody here knew anything about alleged PESA radar mounted in the Zambian L-15Z? What sort of range and compatibility does it have? Do we even have a name?
    the L-15Z is an upgraded AFT version (Attack/Fighter/Trainer) - http://www.janes.com/article/63940/a...bian-air-force

    The Zambian version has a small ESA radar (PESA?). Speculated to have a max range of 110km but target size not known (http://chinese-military-aviation.blo...ers.html#JL-10). It seems the PLAAF JL-10 does not have an ESA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantumFX View Post
    the L-15Z is an upgraded AFT version (Attack/Fighter/Trainer) - http://www.janes.com/article/63940/a...bian-air-force

    The Zambian version has a small ESA radar (PESA?). Speculated to have a max range of 110km but target size not known (http://chinese-military-aviation.blo...ers.html#JL-10). It seems the PLAAF JL-10 does not have an ESA.

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    well now I stand corrected. it even looks the L-15 might be more combat capable than the Yak and Leonardo

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    3 different flavors: J-10B (AL-31FN), J-10B (WS-10B), J-10C

    J-10B (AL-31FN)


    J-10B (WS-10B)


    J-10C



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    J-10C again:




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    great pics!

    it has came a long way from lavi inspired


    to pachunka level!

    Israel should adopt it one day, looks so right


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    I'm curious about the radar and its capabilities because the L-15AFT variant is such a small radome. 110km isn't very powerful, but a very small, modular PESA radar for export as an upgrade package might be inciting for some 3rd world customers. TBH I never expected the L-15 to become an active combat platform. If it was compatible with PL-12 or the simplified SD-10A export variant it could be interested, even if Passive ESA development is a dead end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Semi-Lobster View Post
    I'm curious about the radar and its capabilities because the L-15AFT variant is such a small radome. 110km isn't very powerful, but a very small, modular PESA radar for export as an upgrade package might be inciting for some 3rd world customers. TBH I never expected the L-15 to become an active combat platform. If it was compatible with PL-12 or the simplified SD-10A export variant it could be interested, even if Passive ESA development is a dead end.
    there's nothing more they can do since the l-15s radome is small to begin with. sometimes radar size equals range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evastun View Post
    there's nothing more they can do since the l-15s radome is small to begin with. sometimes radar size equals range.
    Well that's exactly my point. If a very small, lightweight PESA radar has been developed for the L-15, it's conceivable that it could be export by itself, as part of an upgrade package for other small randomed aircraft, like the RACR and SABR radar platforms. This could be an especially lucrative possibility if longer range air-to-air ordinance were made compatible with it in the future.

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    Is the L-15's radome really any smaller than the J-7's? The radar was likely developed from that line of technology.

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    latest look

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    I'd be more fond of a symmetrical splinter pattern than an asymmetrical one, but I'm glad they went for a subtle grey and black scheme.

    I wonder if they are just trialling it out or if this will become the new standard scheme.

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    I'd put my money on an one-off specialized airshow scheme. Kind of like the specialized paintwork for the PLA parades. I don't expect to see it in actual combat units.
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    Quote Originally Posted by totoro View Post
    I'd put my money on an one-off specialized airshow scheme. Kind of like the specialized paintwork for the PLA parades. I don't expect to see it in actual combat units.
    Maybe, that said I don't think we've ever seen custom paint schemes for aircraft during parades before, only for land/any equipment.

    I think they might just be trialling it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzo View Post
    I'd be more fond of a symmetrical splinter pattern than an asymmetrical one, but I'm glad they went for a subtle grey and black scheme.

    I wonder if they are just trialling it out or if this will become the new standard scheme.
    those dont exist, it is supposed to be asymmetrical to break up lines. this is camouflage, not a painting

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    Quote Originally Posted by KGB View Post


    latest look
    looks great and very influenced by Russian camo


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    Getting ready for Zhuhai 2016:

    Notice the weapons-bay design. Its deeper in the middle. Likely for larger A-to-G munitions.















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    Larger size versions of splinter camo and weapons-bay opening:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
    looks great and very influenced by Russian camo

    [img]https://theaviationist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/su_35mg]
    You said it I thought more so close to the t50


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    The serial production J-20 looks really great!
    @ QuantumFX : thanks for the hirez pics.
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    Posted by by78 @ SDF: Link

    PS: The J-10B/C might make an appearance at Zhuhai as well. Love the see the J-10B perform with the AL-31FN Series 3 which has 1000 kgf more thrust than the original AL-31FN.

    Large size: https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5712/3...1ba53bd9_o.jpg


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    So the front fuselage and canards must generate a lot of lift? Its wings are way back than normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noble View Post
    So the front fuselage and canards must generate a lot of lift? Its wings are way back than normal.
    yeah, i'm not fond of that part either

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lt Anderson View Post
    The serial production J-20 looks really great!
    @ QuantumFX : thanks for the hirez pics.
    I still think the Chinese are tricking everyone into believing that the jet is ready for mass production and commissioning. They will probably make a few copies and fly them around a bit and claim that its in service. While they still do a couple years of leg work behind the scenes

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantumFX View Post
    Getting ready for Zhuhai 2016:

    Notice the weapons-bay design. Its deeper in the middle. Likely for larger A-to-G munitions.
    Not necessarily. The deeper middle is where the ejector racks and the AAM fins go. Same as F-22.
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    I wonder if the Pak-Fa will ever open its weapons bay doors. J-20 did it in flight and have yet to see the Pak-Fa do it while static.

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    IIRC it flew with open bays as far back as 2014 (from when that 'performance achieved to date' slide dates). Also it reportedly launched its first missile this year - just because we didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

    In any case, the work done on the modified Su-47 with its PAK-FA bay mock-up probably meant that there was no need to rush such tests.

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    What's the fairing next to the Luneberg lens on the underside fuselage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trident View Post
    IIRC it flew with open bays as far back as 2014 (from when that 'performance achieved to date' slide dates). Also it reportedly launched its first missile this year - just because we didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

    In any case, the work done on the modified Su-47 with its PAK-FA bay mock-up probably meant that there was no need to rush such tests.
    But the russians love to stage a lot of their military for the populace. They have Pak-Fa doing all sorts of stuff in the air showing off to the world how great their aircraft is but they don't video its weapons bay opening? Come on now! That is not the russian way. I'm probably in the majority when i say, if there's no pics or video it didn't happen. I don't know what the big deal is...they are just weapons bay. Just one pic or short vid is all it takes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha Bravo View Post
    What's the fairing next to the Luneberg lens on the underside fuselage?
    Part of "EODAS" suit.

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