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Thread: RuAF News and development Thread part 15

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSR View Post
    They can make all the proposals but I doubt Chinese using missile whose electronics are 20 year old.
    http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-ne...n-partnerships

    One of the manufacturing enterprises for the Phazotron N019 and N011 radar sets that are used in the MiG-29 and Su-27 are produced at the Novator plant in Khmelnitskiy in the western region of Ukraine. This factory became the supplier for many of the radar sets provided to the People’s Liberation Army Air Force (China’s PLAAF) for its Su-27s and its reverse-engineered copies of the aircraft, designated as J-11B.

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    these are stories from 90s mixed with current . ukraine export very little and most of it were engines from soviet times. Chinese made export AWACS is more advance than Sweden Erieye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sintra View Post
    The 2017 Russian Defense Budget is out, according to Janes it got a massive slash of almost 26% by comparison with 2016!
    If so expect salami slice cuts across the board, it will be "interesting" to see the efect on the VVS.
    2015 was a 21% increase.
    2016 was a neutral.

    So it is basically going to be the same as 2014, before the price of oil crashed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSR View Post
    these are stories from 90s mixed with current . ukraine export very little and most of it were engines from soviet times. Chinese made export AWACS is more advance than Sweden Erieye.
    The T/R modules on the latest Erieye systems have more than double the power efficiency of the earlier versions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    What does Janes mean that defence budget is out for 2017 , Unless they were sleeping for months , Russian defence budget for 2017-19 or 3 years has been declared in October 2016 , In Actual figures , As % of GDP and As % of Total Budget Expenditure

    Finance minister: Russia’s 2017-2019 budget to ensure army modernization


    More:
    http://tass.com/economy/913254
    Thanks Austin, the Janes news was from yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellum View Post
    This is quite misleading news, because in to the 2016 budget was injected a very large early repayment of defense industry loans for 2017 and 2018. Its worth well over 700 billion rubles. If those payments were part of the 2017 and 2018 budgets as originally intended, then the budget level from 2015 to 2018 would be balanced. Following picture demonstrates this quite clearly:
    Attachment 251942
    Thanks Bellum

    That chart highlights your point very well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KGB View Post
    2015 was a 21% increase.
    2016 was a neutral.

    So it is basically going to be the same as 2014, before the price of oil crashed.
    Slightly bigger than in 2014 actually.

    Bellum chart in the post above describes the situation very well, the main story seems to be, not an actuall cut of a massive 26% but a much smaller one and the fact that the Defense budget stoped growing.

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    As far as defence budget goes , in 2010 Medvedev government formulated SAP 2020 , the goal was to spend 23 Trillion Roubles from 2011-2020 as part of Defence and MIC budget , Defence 20 Trillion and 3 MIC ....Since then the Numbers are like this

    In Trillion Roubles Defence/MIC Budget 2011-2019

    2011 - 1.515
    2012 - 1.812
    2013 - 2.106
    2014 - 2.49
    2015 - 3.032
    2016 - 3.889
    2017 - 2.84
    2018 - 2.728
    2019 - 2.816

    Total = 23,22 Trillion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sintra View Post
    Slightly bigger than in 2014 actually.

    .

    Well, in reality considerably tighter, due to oil revenues and currency troubles, as well as general economic trends.

    But I doubt we will see too big of an effect on the general platform procurement trends (tactical birds, etc), though the more "questionable" programs will certainly be pushed back some.
    http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9098/rsz11rsz3807.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR1 View Post
    Well, in reality considerably tighter, due to oil revenues and currency troubles, as well as general economic trends.

    But I doubt we will see too big of an effect on the general platform procurement trends (tactical birds, etc), though the more "questionable" programs will certainly be pushed back some.
    Agreed.
    That would be PakDa and new interceptor among other. I'm sure RuNavy would face its share of cooldown. Most likely there will be a number of modernizing program for continuation, but as to new build assets, there might come some delayes
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    http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9098/rsz11rsz3807.jpg

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    UAC DEVELOPS INTERCEPTOR TO REPLACE THE MIG-31

    https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2017/03/17/427901.html

    Work on the creation of high-rise of a new generation of interceptors, which in the long term will replace the MiG-31, continues and not only in the RAC "MiG" said RNS General Designer - Vice-President for Innovation PJSC "United Aircraft Corporation" (UAC) Sergey Korotkov .

    "Designers are working on this topic", - Korotkov said, when asked about the prospects for the creation of new high-altitude interceptor.

    According to him, "the defense ministry said that such a plane is needed."

    Korotkov noted that in this study involved not only the Corporation "MiG", which once produced the first Soviet aircraft 4th generation - the MiG-31, but also other KLA designers. "Every design office does not stop in its development, especially in those areas where it has the highest competence," - said general designer.

    He did not talk about the future characteristics of the high-altitude fighters and their weapons, referring to the closeness of the topic.

    Earlier it was reported that a high-altitude fighter-interceptor MiG-41 can be created in Russia, which will replace the MiG-31.

    Svetlana Savitskaya told reporters that the program restoring the park tall interceptor MiG-31 in the composition of air and space forces will allow to leave them in battle formation at least 15 years. "These machines are at least 15 years will ensure our security of these machines without the North and the Far East are not protected by the safety One missile can not be solved.." - Savitskaya said.

    MiG-31 - Soviet and Russian double supersonic interceptor long range. The aircraft was developed in the 1970s, it is the first Soviet fighter of the fourth generation. MiG-31 operated since 1981, only 519 units produced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mercurius View Post
    The T/R modules on the latest Erieye systems have more than double the power efficiency of the earlier versions.
    netanyahu went to china and keep repeating word biggest.

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/netanya...tion-to-china/

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    Some Mig-31 porn:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6IQJDqbAxg

    we got a glims of the backseater cockpit. Is that the layout of Mig-31BM?
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by haavarla View Post
    we got a glims of the backseater cockpit. Is that the layout of Mig-31BM?
    It has R-73 pylons and MFD's in the back cockpit, so, yes, it's a BM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haavarla View Post
    Some Mig-31 porn:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6IQJDqbAxg

    we got a glims of the backseater cockpit. Is that the layout of Mig-31BM?
    LOL at the title: Russian Mig-31 [FOXHOUND] shooting satellite drill in the stratosphere 18 02 17

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar View Post
    LOL at the title: Russian Mig-31 [FOXHOUND] shooting satellite drill in the stratosphere 18 02 17
    What I would love to know.. What was the altitude in that flight
    Awesome to see the Beast operating at such altitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haavarla View Post
    What I would love to know.. What was the altitude in that flight
    Awesome to see the Beast operating at such altitude.
    21500 meters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    UAC DEVELOPS INTERCEPTOR TO REPLACE THE MIG-31

    https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2017/03/17/427901.html
    Why need a new interceptor when PAK-FA can do the same thing? Unless they think the new interceptor is a PAK-FA variant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isengard View Post
    Why need a new interceptor when PAK-FA can do the same thing? Unless they think the new interceptor is a PAK-FA variant.
    Perhaps because that design is not optimized for this rather specific mission?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR1 View Post
    Well, in reality considerably tighter, due to oil revenues and currency troubles, as well as general economic trends.

    But I doubt we will see too big of an effect on the general platform procurement trends (tactical birds, etc), though the more "questionable" programs will certainly be pushed back some.
    Its still about the same as 2014. The Ruble is divorced from oil and interest rates have normalized. The general economic trend is neutral to positive. Not down. I hate to have to nit pick at this but I just don't think your assessment was entirely accurate.

    These are bonds. Bonds carry Ruble currency risk

    Playing a Surge in Russian Bonds (EMB,VWOB) By Todd Shriber | February 21, 2017 — 11:43 AM EST

    http://www.investopedia.com/news/pla...bonds-embvwob/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isengard View Post
    Why need a new interceptor when PAK-FA can do the same thing? Unless they think the new interceptor is a PAK-FA variant.
    Are you trying to tell us Su-27 can do the same things as MiG-31? Because that is the difference we are talking about here. Last i checked Su-27 cant fly sustained at 20km+ altitude, fire missiles 100km+ away, stay at Mach 2+ for a long sustained time or work in a group covering 1000km+ of airspace.
    Last edited by Berkut; 20th March 2017 at 20:11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkut View Post
    Are you trying to tell us Su-27 can do the same things as MiG-31? Because that is the difference we are talking about here. Last i checked Su-27 cant fly sustained at 20km+ altitude, fire missiles 100km+ away, stay at Mach 2+ for a long sustained time or work in a group covering 1000km+ of airspace.
    We're talking about PAK-FA not Su-27. PAK-FA with bigger wings and more powerful engines can easily supercruise at 2000+km/h like MiG-31. PAK-FA can also climb and defend itself much better and can climb at 384 m/s. See around 8 minute mark.


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    The Beast may have a niche role. But damnit it is good at it! Da best!
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isengard View Post
    We're talking about PAK-FA not Su-27. PAK-FA with bigger wings and more powerful engines can easily supercruise at 2000+km/h like MiG-31. PAK-FA can also climb and defend itself much better and can climb at 384 m/s. See around 8 minute mark.

    I am comparing MiG-31 to Su-27 to get my point across because PAK-DP is not real, yet. You are clearly missing the point. PAK-FA is not, and will never be interceptor. Just like Su-27 will never be able to fill the tasks MiG-31 is doing, get it? There is a reason PAK-DP is a project. Also jesus christ on a stick, 384 m/s is not a real figure. It is 100% BS and even the most basic critical thinking and google would show that to you.

    Your video link is pointless. There is nothing happening at 8 min mark of any relevance to the discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkut View Post
    I am comparing MiG-31 to Su-27 to get my point across because PAK-DP is not real, yet. You are clearly missing the point. PAK-FA is not, and will never be interceptor. Just like Su-27 will never be able to fill the tasks MiG-31 is doing, get it? There is a reason PAK-DP is a project. Also jesus christ on a stick, 384 m/s is not a real figure. It is 100% BS and even the most basic critical thinking and google would show that to you.

    Your video link is pointless. There is nothing happening at 8 min mark of any relevance to the discussion.
    PAK-FA will supercruise over Mach 2 just like MiG-31 and can carry large long range missiles like izd 810 so it can take the MiG-31 role. PAK-DP can just use variant of PAK-FA T-50.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isengard View Post
    PAK-FA will supercruise over Mach 2 just like MiG-31 and can carry large long range missiles like izd 810 so it can take the MiG-31 role. PAK-DP can just use variant of PAK-FA T-50.
    A-emh, fact is that neither MiG-31 supercruise at all, at any quote and/or velocity: it is just that in its supersonic cruise mode; that is something completely different from supercruise, it still flies faster and at a greater range than a F-22 using the said overhyped characteristic.

    And with this one last post, my congratulations: you are a serious candidate to the "Bimbominkia of the month" award.

    P.S. So, there is not an english equivalent to Bimbominkia, really??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Last edited by Marcellogo; 20th March 2017 at 21:48.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcellogo View Post
    A-emh, fact is that neither MiG-31 supercruise at all, at any quote and/or velocity: it is just that in its supersonic cruise mode; that is something completely different from supercruise, it still flies faster and at a greater range than a F-22 using the said overhyped characteristic.

    And with this one last post, my congratulations: you are a serious candidate to the "Bimbominkia of the month" award.

    P.S. So, there is not an english equivalent to Bimbominkia, really??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    You are right regarding supercruise but wrong re F-22. It is not overhyped and yes MiG-31 has longer range while being supersonic by bruteforcing it. But with F-22 USAF had a choice between more fuel or better maneuverability. F-22 ended up with more maneuverability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isengard View Post
    We're talking about PAK-FA not Su-27. PAK-FA with bigger wings and more powerful engines can easily supercruise at 2000+km/h like MiG-31. PAK-FA can also climb and defend itself much better and can climb at 384 m/s. See around 8 minute mark.
    Absolutely no way.. not even with Izd.30s..
    The MiG-31 cruises at M 2.35.. and it's not supercruise, it has afterburners on..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkut View Post
    You are right regarding supercruise but wrong re F-22. It is not overhyped and yes MiG-31 has longer range while being supersonic by bruteforcing it. But with F-22 USAF had a choice between more fuel or better maneuverability. F-22 ended up with more maneuverability.
    The F-22 is fantastic when it comes to maneuvrability.. and can, indeed, reach speeds at over M1.7 without burners on.. that is very impressive.. much less impressive is its range while doing so.. in the end one has to ask himself, what is all this good for.. I am kinda undecided regd. this plane..

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