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Thread: RuAF News and development Thread part 15

  1. #3751
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    Has there been a Russian air Force contract for such targeting pods yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blash View Post
    Good news, a full-sized demonstration version of Orion-E will be officially premiered tomorrow (probably should thank Chinese poking them with a Wing Loong, hehe).

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    Orion-2 (5 tone, Altius-M class) mock up (early development stage, civilian certification preparations).

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    Specifications can be found here: https://missiles2go.ru/2017/07/17/orion-e/
    Intriguing... very intriguing!

    I'm slightly disappointed with Orion-E to be honest, I was hoping that what is now called Orion-2 (which is far more elegant and interesting in configuration) would turn out to be it, rather than a 5t-class competitor to the Altius-M. That's a bit of a let-down on two counts.

    1. My pet peeve again - pointless duplication of effort. Altius-M is a sound and potentially very capable design in theory, all that remains now is for the execution to live up to the promise and that's where adequate, regular funding is absolutely crucial. And even if Orion-2 is solely a private venture that doesn't divert any state money from Altius, any company resources spent on it are still lost to the cause of perfecting the smaller Orion-E which is also a critically important project

    2. As mentioned, Orion-2 is IMHO a compellingly convenient configuration for a single-engine, pusher-prop UAV and certainly *much* more interesting than the n-th instance of the Hermes900/CH-4/Wing-Loong/Anka/etc. layout - booooring! Wings are quite clean aerodynamically (no prop-wash, unlike Altius - but then that's a twin-engine airframe, and there aren't many sensible ways of accommodating that differently), even if they are not quite as clean as on Orion-E due to the tail booms. However, it keeps the engine further forward, closer to the centre of gravity and the main landing gear which eliminates the need for preposterously long legs to avoid a prop strike on rotation (quite apart from saving some weight). Furthermore, having the main landing gear in the tail booms keeps the ventral fuselage free for payload integration near the CoG and provides a wide gear track for docile ground handling. With those large-span, high aspect ratio wings and tall, narrow gear, I suspect landing Orion-E and its brethren in cross wind could be a bit hairy. At the same time, unlike other twin-boom UAVs such as Heron, Eitan and BZK-005, Orion-2 does away with separate horizontal and vertical tails to keep wetted area (friction drag) and weight down, much like the V-tail UAVs do. Just an all-round sensible configuration IMHO that delivers a good compromise on a large number of sometimes conflicting requirements.

    Quite apart from these points, any word on propulsion for Orion-2 (and Orion-E, for that matter)? I ask because it's hard to come up with a Russian domestic prop that would fit the bill for a single-engine, 5t-class aircraft. It would almost certainly have to be a turboprop, there aren't any reciprocating engines of sufficient power that I'm aware of available off the shelf *anywhere*, let alone in Russia. In theory, the VK-800S would fit the bill rather well, but things have gone awfully quiet over the past couple of years.

    Ok, I also ask because the quoted 36m wing span, if correct, is an quite an eye-brow-raiser for a 5t airframe - so much so that I'm inclined to say either it or the weight are possibly wrong. If we very conservatively assume same aspect ratio and same wing-loading as Altius, MTOW works out to 8+t (depending on how heavy Altius really is), and if we're prepared to concede a bit on these aspects, 36m matches the initial variants of Global Hawk with MTOWs north of 12t! And that's (coincidentally?) a weight class where both a Russian domestic power plant solution readily comes to mind - TV7-117S - AND a requirement exists that is not met by any other active UAV project in Russia!
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    Last edited by Bellum; 20th July 2017 at 00:51.

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    Well finally, we get a solid enough drone!

    Also, we can now safely say that sideslip was most definitely on purpose:

    http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9098/rsz11rsz3807.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR1 View Post
    Well finally, we get a solid enough drone!

    Also, we can now safely say that sideslip was most definitely on purpose:

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    ^^^ Basically my reaction. Definitely need another angle of that tumble...
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    MiG-29M family @ MAKS:







    Tu-22M3 photos by Vadim:





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    So, we finally invented our own Predator-A... Wonder when we will see that heavy UCAV from Sukhoi.

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    Perhaps more fitting in the historical aviation part of these forums, but since it's MAKS and everything I decided to put it here.



    Ilyushin Il-2 from the 46th ShAP of the Northern Fleet (Pechenga), shot down in November 1943 over the Kola Peninsula and subsequently sank to the bottom of Lake Krivoye, from which it was raised in 2012 and ultimately restored to flying condition this year.

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    I hope an armed version quickly...

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    So what I want from you guys is a supersonic UCAV which can perform like the SU35 but at speed.

    That tumble (or the instant recovery from it) is astounding.

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    http://diana-mihailova.livejournal.com/858471.html

    Kazan's work in 2016, within the GOZ (not export or civie):

    -Delivery of 31 Mi-8MTV5-1 and 3 Ansat-U to the MOD
    -Delivery of 1 Mi-8MTV5-1 to the MChS
    -Modernization of 86 Mi-8MTV5 for the MOD
    -Repair work carried out on 4 Ansat-U for the MOD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar View Post
    So, we finally invented our own Predator-A... Wonder when we will see that heavy UCAV from Sukhoi.
    It's not the predator but fast secure and reliably network that is globally deployable along with autonmous flight for extended loitering.

    https://www.rbth.com/defence/2016/04...n-syria_582879
    Russian forces test high speed military Internet in Syria

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    Technology is now moving.
    https://www.rt.com/politics/363270-r...ch-own-closed/
    Russian military launches own ‘closed internet’ for classified data exchange – report

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    Allegedly Su-35S with double R-77-1 pylons between inlets/engines.

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    Wouldn't be a surprise - that config has been shown on models at UAC airshow booths for years.

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    Then for crying out Loud, why haven't this been showcased on Max. Or some of those targeting pods.. or radio warfare pods on Su-34.. Sputnik has litterly pages of such news, so why not show it on MAKS..?
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    They've had MERs for all kinds of ordnance for ages, but as far as I recall, among AAMs it's only been the little R-60 with a twin pylon occasionally seen on MiGs (23 and 25/31). I always found that kind of curious.

    Sukhoi/KnAAPOs old Su-35 presentation showed these centerline twin pylons for the R-77/RVV-AE back in 2011 or some such, here (page 14, loadout examples):
    http://www.knaapo.ru/media/rus/about...buklet_rus.pdf

    But as far as I know, this is the first time it's ever been seen in real life. About time if you ask me!

    Still on the topic of MAKS, tomorrow is the first public day, right? So there should be lots of photos and videos coming up next.

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    Let's hope for good weather as opposed to Raining kittens.. Maks 2011 comes to mind. I was there.
    That Saturday was horrible.
    Thanks

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    Chemezov spoke about the work on a high-power aircraft engine PD-35

    https://vpk.name/news/187159_chemezo...ntent=do187159

    The engine PD-35 will appear in the finished form and will be put on test not earlier than 2020. Sergei Chemezov, the head of state corporation Rostek, said this at a press conference at MAKS-2017 airshow, as the correspondent of Lentee.ru reports.

    Earlier, in November 2016, the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov announced that the PD-35 will have a nominal thrust of at least 33 tons and a maximum thrust of 40 tons.


    PD-35 from the summer of 2016 is created by cooperation from Perm Aviadvigatel JSC and Rybinsk NPO Saturn. The engine is expected to be used on wide-body passenger airliners, in particular on a Russian-Chinese aircraft created under the project of the ShFDMS (C929).

    The volume of investments in the project of the engine is 180 billion rubles in calculation for six years. About a third of them will be spent on the construction of test benches and laboratories.
    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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    That new su 35 stunt


    And that Orion drone is awesome because it looks like a TU 95 Bear

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    equipment inside the missiles?
    https://sputniknews.com/military/201...earch-missile/
    Russia and China are conducting a series of research and development works to develop missile equipment.

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    Su-35S packing heavy:

    Two twin R-77 mounts between the engines + T220 pod! Note the pylon height.



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    Note the pylon height.
    .... and the staggered mounting - the RH R-77 is mounted further forward to clear the fins - and presumably, has to be fired first?

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    .... and the staggered mounting - the RH R-77 is mounted further forward to clear the fins - and presumably, has to be fired first?
    They are catapulted downwards, so I'm not sure if a specific firing order is absolutely necessary, but if so, IMHO the order would be the exact opposite - the rear one would be dropped first so that any potential translation backwards during the release doesn't clip the flight controls of the other missile.
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    Would be cool to see the Flanker in a full "missile truck" configuration, loaded to the max with 16xRVV-AE plus 2x wingtip RVV-MD. Just saying.

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    If the grid fins are folded.. i see possibility of 6 R-77's

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    Great weapons load of Su-35 with its AAMs, ECM pods, targeting pod, Anti-ship missiles and TV guided bombs. I hope we will also see Su-30SM equipped with new ECM pods, targeting pod and R-77-1 missiles.

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