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    Nice Information on UEC Engine program from official sources

    FROM THE BASE TO THE FAMILY


    https://www.aviaport.ru/news/2017/03/07/425117.html

    "United Engine Building Corporation" is implementing a new approach to the creation of aircraft engines, which will be developed according to the basic gas generators using all promising technologies. In the future engine family will be based on them, the respective customer requirements. This will reverse the trend of the past years, when the lack of advanced technological advance led to the need for its creation already in the process of engine development, which entailed a significant increase in both time-consuming, and the total cost of the work. New Approaches Corporation during the first meeting of the Aviation Board of the Government of the Russian Federation told the CEO of UEC Alexander Artyukhov.


    One of the problems of the domestic civil aviation was considered to be lagging behind the leading powers in the creation of efficient engines. The reason why the engine becomes "weak link", was systematic: many years of consecutive work on a new generation of engines started with a delay of the development of its own aircraft, which led to the introduction of phasing in the implementation of projects. As a result, forward-looking planes and helicopters were prepared as serial transition existing engines that do not achieve the stated performance, to realize the full potential of the aircraft, reducing their competitiveness and commercial attractiveness.

    "United Engine Building Corporation" faced with this problem in the implementation of the project PD-14 engine for the future of the main MS-21 aircraft. The situation demanded a review of approaches to the development of new products. Now the emphasis is on the creation of basic gas generators that receive the most advanced technical and technological solutions. In the future, based on the needs and samolёto- vertolёtostroiteley on their platform will be created with the necessary engine parameters. This approach, according to the head of the JDC would not only harmonize the timing of development of aircraft engines and aircraft, but also to ensure the achievement of the planned features in full, as well as enhance the competitiveness of the products and will generally reduce technical risks in projects.

    During the meeting, board Air A.Artyuhov spoke in detail about the ongoing projects and future developments. First of all, he recalled the SaM146 engine, certified by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA). Aircraft engine fully complies with all rules and regulations that govern the safe operation, including corrosivity environment and sea-based. According to the UEC, the corporation is now the task of increasing the level of localization of production in Russia SaM146. It is planned that the work will be carried out in two stages. "The first stage is planned to increase the degree of localization to 55% on the second stage -. 80%," - said A.Artyuhov. He also noted that in addition to the current use on the Sukhoi Superjet 100, the installation of SaM146 is possible and the Be-200.

    Also A.Artyuhov informed about the current state of the project development turboprop TV7-117SM / PT. He stressed that this is a key part of the program in the task of building a domestic aircraft IL -114-300 for local airlines, which is scheduled to start in the series in 2020. To date, preliminary testing of the prototype engine. "As a result we can conclude that both technically and technologically implement the project within the given timeframe," - he said. In addition, he noted that the development of "complexed" with the program on military aircraft engines for the Il-112V, as well as the creation of the engine program TV7-117V for the Mi-38, which has already been certified.

    A key project, which today sells APC - creation engine PD-14 to MS-21 medium-range aircraft. The head of the JDC noted that during the implementation of this program introduced 16 basic critical technologies, which allowed to reach the current level of engine parameters. "At present the production of experimental engines already manufactured 12 The complex of development tests, including simulated real operating conditions are confirmed stated technical characteristics of the engine.." - Shared A.Artyuhov. As part of the same project also creates a nacelle. The head of the corporation noted that previously it to develop, as a rule, remain within the competence of the aircraft developers. According A.Artyuhova created gasifier PD-14 - base. On its basis in minimum time and with minimum risk can be developed aircraft engines for different purposes: for helicopter and aircraft for civil and military applications.

    Another priority for the Russian engine - the creation of high-thrust engine of 35-40 tons to be mounted on the modern long-haul wide-body aircraft. "Currently, in the framework of research and development under this program creates the necessary groundwork, developed eight key core technologies, the infrastructure, - told A.Artyuhov - The project will significantly enhance the ability of domestic developers planes to form shape of aircraft for various purposes:. Passenger transport and military transport. "

    As part of the creation of engines for helicopters JDC today implements VC-2500PS program based on the VS-2500. As a result of the modernization of increased performance and reliability of the base engine. "The engine is implemented anti-surge protection system that provides reliable engine performance in heavy and transient conditions, the assigned resource increased by 30%", - said A.Artyuhov, recalling that in 2016 the motor type certificates obtained. VC-2500PS is ready for serial production in Russia and supplies. Today, APC continues to implement the program, increasing volumes of mass production of helicopter engines.

    In addition, within the framework of works on creation of helicopter engines there is a program for the development of a promising helicopter engine (MPE) with characteristics to reduce fuel consumption by 20% compared with the serial engine, greatly reduce the weight of the product, as well as increase its reliability and service life. According to the UEC, the engine is created using the latest composite materials, advanced technical solutions and technologies.

    Concluding his speech, A.Artyuhov noted that the successful completion of all new projects will contribute to meeting the competitiveness and attractiveness of commercial aircrafts with domestic engines. Currently, UEC has sufficient scientific and technical, production, human resources to create a domestic advanced aircraft engines. He again stressed that the main engine through the development has been the creation of gas turbine engines based on the basic gas generators. In the medium term will be the base gas generators and engines PD-14 and TV7-117. In the long term it will be added to the DD-35 and LDPE.
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    What is LDPE ? В долгосрочной к ним добавятся ПД-35 и ПВД.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    What is LDPE ? В долгосрочной к ним добавятся ПД-35 и ПВД.
    Перспективный Вертолетный Двигатель - Perspective Helicopter Engine

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR1 View Post
    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4075756

    MOD will get 12 Ka-52s this year. It received 14 in 2016 according to plan, and an additional 2 ahead of schedule.

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4076636

    Shoigu says "new long range missile" will finally enter service this year. Likely, talking about the 40N6....

    Yak-152:

    He is mostly likely talking about long range anti air missiles for naval vessels as most of tests are done in Baltic and North Sea. S300V4 already 400km.

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    Yuri Slusar President of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) Presentation on UAC Civil Program

    http://www.aex.ru/docs/3/2017/3/6/2573/
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    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4080556

    According to Borisov 17 Su-30SM and 10 Yak-130 will be delivered this year.

    http://djoker-lj.livejournal.com/295422.html

    As well as 10 Su-35, as well as finally the first 4 upgraded Su-27.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TR1 View Post
    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4075756

    MOD will get 12 Ka-52s this year. It received 14 in 2016 according to plan, and an additional 2 ahead of schedule.

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4076636

    Shoigu says "new long range missile" will finally enter service this year. Likely, talking about the 40N6....

    Yak-152:

    ? this is some light attack air tractor ?

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    More likely a Russian PC-9.

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    Il-112 wing before mating.



    MS-21 @ Irkut.
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    Inside Upgraded A-50U

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    Not sure if anyone posted this.

    Russian MOB decided to equip "Gefest & T" SVP-24-33 complex for all the rest of Su-33s after good results the upgraded Gefest & T Su-33s had gained in Syrian battlefield.

    As the source told "Interfax", the SVP-24-33 system allowed the Su-33 used in Syria unguided bombs with precision, which is characteristic of guided weapons and the maximum deviation from the target does not exceed a few meters
    http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5878e8849a794719284dc0f9
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    This is soooooo Russian.. Rudimentary and kinda primitive.. But I can't say that I am not impressed if true.. Certainly a good way to lead high intensity conflicts without depleting precious PGM.

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    There is something to be said on wageing war on the cheap.
    Even US has to think twice about their next war now.
    Seems that Russia has worked out their doktrine of global operation like in Syria, with extensive use of KAB's bomb, Ataka and Vikhr-1, as well as a launch system for S-8 unguided missiles.
    Over-extending was not an option, and as it is there are many sour faces in Pentagon and US senate that once had high hope that Russia would be sucked into the Syrian conflict with their war spending out of control.

    Not only did Russia succeed in restoring Assad, and twarting US(cia) interference in Syria, they also did this with relative small budget.
    Within this year ISIS will be beatn and chased out of the Syrian towns and villages infrastructure, back to the caves they go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSphere View Post
    This is soooooo Russian.. Rudimentary and kinda primitive.. But I can't say that I am not impressed if true.. Certainly a good way to lead high intensity conflicts without depleting precious PGM.
    I wonder if those four Flankers reported modernized at KnAAZ indeed will be four Su-33?
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    No. It is Su-27's that are modernized to SM3 level at KnAAZ. Su-33's are updated in Zhukovsky.

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    I thought the SM3 has incorporated some structural mods, as well.. Is it viable to upgrade the old Su-27 into the SM3 standard instead of plain Su-27SM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by haavarla View Post
    Seems that Russia has worked out their doctrine of global operation like in Syria, with extensive use of KAB's bomb, Ataka and Vikhr-1, as well as a launch system for S-8 unguided missiles.
    I would call for a very severe case of JDAMiotism there: rockets, they are still called rockets...

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    The source said very clearly that 4 Su-27s would be upgraded to Su-35 level. Does it mean old Su-27s to be upgraded to Su-27SM3 instead of Su-27SM as before?

    http://djoker-lj.livejournal.com/295422.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kopyo-21 View Post
    The source said very clearly that 4 Su-27s would be upgraded to Su-35 level. Does it mean old Su-27s to be upgraded to Su-27SM3 instead of Su-27SM as before?

    http://djoker-lj.livejournal.com/295422.html
    The SM3 kits is the same as in Su-30M2.
    That would mean no Irbis or BARS radar.
    Its a cheaper kit vs Su-35S. You get the AL-31FM1 instead of the costlier 117S engines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSphere View Post
    I thought the SM3 has incorporated some structural mods, as well.. Is it viable to upgrade the old Su-27 into the SM3 standard instead of plain Su-27SM?
    There is nothing magic about SM3, it is pretty vanilla upgrade and isnt really more difficult than the original SM upgrade. So yes, it is viable and it has already been done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkut View Post
    No. It is Su-27's that are modernized to SM3 level at KnAAZ. Su-33's are updated in Zhukovsky.
    Wrong. Berkut is wrong.

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    So are all Su-33 to be modernized with that Gefest kit.

    Atrittion:
    One in 2001, another in 2005/6. Last year we saw a Su-33 over lost over Syria.

    How many Su-33 are left in the 279th Shipborne Fighter Aviation Regiment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by haavarla View Post
    The SM3 kits is the same as in Su-30M2.
    That would mean no Irbis or BARS radar.
    Its a cheaper kit vs Su-35S. You get the AL-31FM1 instead of the costlier 117S engines
    I don't think that was his question, after all that is all clear that the radar stays the same (N001VEP?). Also the case of engines is clear as the Su-27 cannot incorporate 117S due to increased fan diameter.. The question is if the upgrade incorporates the SM3's strengthened airframe with increased takeoff weight and additional pylons. So far, the Su-27SM3s were new-built, not upgraded..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSphere View Post
    So far, the Su-27SM3s were new-built, not upgraded..
    Let me repeat for second time, that is not true.

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    Russia is close to signing a contract for the purchase in the UAE drone UAV United 40

    https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2017/03/11/10569977.shtml
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kopyo-21 View Post
    The source said very clearly that 4 Su-27s would be upgraded to Su-35 level. Does it mean old Su-27s to be upgraded to Su-27SM3 instead of Su-27SM as before?

    http://djoker-lj.livejournal.com/295422.html
    Su-35 level is a huge exaggeration in this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSphere View Post
    I don't think that was his question, after all that is all clear that the radar stays the same (N001VEP?). Also the case of engines is clear as the Su-27 cannot incorporate 117S due to increased fan diameter.. The question is if the upgrade incorporates the SM3's strengthened airframe with increased takeoff weight and additional pylons. So far, the Su-27SM3s were new-built, not upgraded..
    There are several sources indicating that Russian Air Force has been received : 48 Su-35S, 12 Su-27M and 04 Su-30M2 since 2009 .

    In fact, those 12 Su-27Ms were in different stages of production as Su 27SK (J 11A) for China, and the 04 Su 30M2 were in production as Su-30MK2 for China too.

    This acquisition of 12 Su-27M and 04 Su-30M2 could have been described as liquidation to clean the factory, still all these has been new fighters.

    The 12 Su 27M's has been described several times as Su-27SM3, yet the multimode radar N001VEP should have been equipping only the Su-30MK2, while the Su-27SK were equipped with the radar N001 from Su-27S/P and Su-33, which it has been capable only for air defense missions.

    In the case of the Su-27SM1/2 , it has been the multimode radar N001V , this version N001V has been modernized from N001 , just as it should be with the Su-27SK to new standards Su-27SM3.

    There are fews doubt as: why China had been purchased the Su-30MKK with the multimode radar N001VE, as well as the Su-30MK2 with the multi-mode radar N001VEP, even at the same time that Russia has been modernized those 'older' air defense Su-27S/P into multimode Su-27SM1, while China were acquiring Su-27SK ( J-11A) with N001 only capable for air-air missions?

    If those 12 Su-27SM3 could have been equipped with the multimode radars N001VEP , this would be an indication that original 12 Su-27SK( J 11) were already multimode versions for China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maurobaggio View Post
    There are several sources indicating that Russian Air Force has been received : 48 Su-35S, 12 Su-27M and 04 Su-30M2 since 2009 .

    In fact, those 12 Su-27Ms were in different stages of production as Su 27SK (J 11A) for China, and the 04 Su 30M2 were in production as Su-30MK2 for China too.

    This acquisition of 12 Su-27M and 04 Su-30M2 could have been described as liquidation to clean the factory, still all these has been new fighters.

    The 12 Su 27M's has been described several times as Su-27SM3, yet the multimode radar N001VEP should have been equipping only the Su-30MK2, while the Su-27SK were equipped with the radar N001 from Su-27S/P and Su-33, which it has been capable only for air defense missions.

    In the case of the Su-27SM1/2 , it has been the multimode radar N001V , this version N001V has been modernized from N001 , just as it should be with the Su-27SK to new standards Su-27SM3.

    There are fews doubt as: why China had been purchased the Su-30MKK with the multimode radar N001VE, as well as the Su-30MK2 with the multi-mode radar N001VEP, even at the same time that Russia has been modernized those 'older' air defense Su-27S/P into multimode Su-27SM1, while China were acquiring Su-27SK ( J-11A) with N001 only capable for air-air missions?

    If those 12 Su-27SM3 could have been equipped with the multimode radars N001VEP , this would be an indication that original 12 Su-27SK( J 11) were already multimode versions for China.
    Lots of errors and guesswork written here.. where to start..

    - there were no Su-27M delivered.. that type has been dead and gone since ages..
    - the difference between N001VE and VEP is only slight - the ability to support the Kh-59ME missile, new backend with Baguet 55 series processor, simultaneous tracking of four A-A targets instead of two
    - Chinese Su-27SKs have been acquired well before any multimode N001VE radars became available..
    - Su-27SK are completely different from J-11A, BTW..
    - Su-27SKs were not multimode

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    Many differences between N001VE and N001VEP:

    1. Although N001VE was advertised to have ground/sea mapping mode but the range was so short compares to N001VEP. For an aircraft carrier target type, N001VE detects the target from above 100km range while N001VEP does from 350km.

    2. N001VE can not guide Kh-31A and Kh-59MK antiship misse white N001VEP can do that.

    3. Kh-59ME is remotely TV guided missile and not need radar to guide it like testbed Su-17M4 number 59 in 1980s. Su-30MKK (N001VE radar) guides Kh-59ME by TsVM-486-2 computer, MFD, WC sofware and Tecon APK-9E pod, not need any direct involved by N001VE.

    4. N001VE can track 10 targets but can attack only 1 target simultaneously while N001VEP can track 10 target and attack 2 targets simultaneously.

    5. With some added devices, N001VEP has some more air-to-air search modes such as long range detection mode while N001VE does not.
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