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    RuAF News and development Thread part 15

    We reached 70 pages and we entered a new year, time for a fresh start.

    Old thread here: http://forum.keypublishing.com/showt...Thread-part-14

    Is the latest VVS contract for Su-35S confirmed?

    Perhaps a little status of current units delivered and on contract is due.
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    It's confusing whether that '50' is actually an order for 48 more.
    Go Huskers!

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    Huh? i thought it was very clear - not 48 but 50. Difference this time is price and time required for delivery (50 in 5 years).

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    10 x 5 = 50

    50 =/= 48

    There is nothing to be confused by...

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    Not a great pace anyway.

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    They plan to build 24 of them next year... Doesnt matter much to me it is only 10 for RuAF.

    They built 48 of the damned things before a single one was even able to do actual combat patrol. Frames that were built delivered 3 years ago has flown like 60 hours on average. IE they are completely useless. No point of rushing production so that they can fly 20 hours a year...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkut View Post
    They plan to build 24 of them next year... Doesnt matter much to me it is only 10 for RuAF.

    They built 48 of the damned things before a single one was even able to do actual combat patrol. Frames that were built delivered 3 years ago has flown like 60 hours on average. IE they are completely useless. No point of rushing production so that they can fly 20 hours a year...
    Do we know what is eating the jet?
    There has been reports about the hicups Irbis-E radar in the past, dunno if its software related or not.
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    http://lenta.ru/news/2016/01/13/il214/

    Il-214 has been frozen. They will reassess the program and make changes if the MOD wants to continue the program.

    Makes sense- waste of money right now when the MOD needs to take care of the heavier and lighter transport spectrum first.
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    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2582562

    -Il-112 will fly no later than June 1, 2017.
    -5 Il-38N have been delivered, another 2 next year, and a total of 28 has been contracted.
    -First Il-76MDM will fly in February.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TR1 View Post
    http://lenta.ru/news/2016/01/13/il214/

    Il-214 has been frozen. They will reassess the program and make changes if the MOD wants to continue the program.

    Makes sense- waste of money right now when the MOD needs to take care of the heavier and lighter transport spectrum first.
    In the current times, it will be ideal for Russia to shelve certain projects and start up other ones. For instance, if recent deal for Su-35 is true in terms of costs, and being as cheaper now to produce than before, then I can imagine that it would be more ideal to come up with upgrades for Su-35 using technologies learned from PAK FA, than it is to actually induct PAK FA in any numbers.

    I agree with your comment, but it seems that the Indian's are quite upset about it. Although, who cares really since Russia would have to foot a huge part of the bill to make the aircraft as well.

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    Better to develop T-50 airframe and divest Flankers away from multiple variations. Currently they have Su-30 variations for both domestic and export, Su-34M, and Su-35S. I hate to say it, but there isn't enough money around for them to keep all the lines open.
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    All lines need to stay open. they were still there in the 90s.
    manufacturing single jet and single location can become hostage to quality control and labor. Pluse you cant do surge if there is need. Even AL-31 has 3 manufacturing sites.

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    Russia 'freezes' India out of MTA project, to proceed alone as Il-214

    http://www.janes.com/article/57169/r...lone-as-il-214
    Russia looks set to continue development of the Multirole Transport Aircraft (MTA) on its own after Ilyushin froze co-operation with India on the joint project, state media announced on 13 January.

    With the preliminary design of the twin turbofan tactical airlifter now all but finalised, United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) will likely continue with the detailed design phase of the Il-214, as it is known in Russia, through to production without Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), the TASS news agency quoted Ilyushin CEO Sergey Velmozhkin as saying.

    "It has been frozen as a joint Russian-Indian project," he said.

    While the report gave no particular reason for this development, it was reported in December 2015 that UAC and HAL were in disagreement over the type of powerplant to be fitted to the aircraft, with the former preferring the PD-14M - a modified version of the already in-service Aviadvigtel PS-90A-76 turbofan as fitted to the Il-76 'Candid' - and the latter wanting a completely clean-sheet engine with full authority digital engine control (FADEC).

    "The PS-90 does not have FADEC but the necessity of such a system was not there in the technical specifications initially," the president of UAC, Yury Slyusar, told the Indian Economic Times at the time. "It was added later. The technical requirement [for performance] is fully satisfied with the PS-90 engine.

    "So the official status is that we have finished the advanced preliminary design stage over a year ago [and] that has to be accepted by the Indian side. We hope they accept the design and move forward," he added.

    The Il-214 is expected to have a payload of between 15 and 20 tonnes and a range of 2,500 to 2,700 km, which will put it in the same class of airlifter as the Lockheed Martin C-130 Hercules (22 tonnes) and the Embraer KC-390 (23 tonnes).
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    Russia to fill gap left by An-70 with more Il-76MD-90A airlifters

    http://www.janes.com/article/57172/r...90a-airlifters


    Russia is to fill the gap left in its strategic airlift capabilities by the abandonment of the Antonov An-70 project with Ukraine with additional numbers of the Ilyushin Il-76MD-90A, a senior service official said on 13 January.

    The Russian Air Force (Voyenno-Vozdushnye Sily - VVS) is to receive an undisclosed extra number of the newly introduced Il-76MD-90A to offset at least some of the 60 An-70s that the service was due to induct, of which more than 12 were to be handed over by 2020, the commander of the Military Transport Aviation, Lieutenant General Victor Benedictine, reportedly told Russian journalists.

    Co-development of the An-70 with Ukraine was ceased in early 2014 following the breakdown in relations between the two countries over the ousting of Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych and Russia's subsequent invasion and annexation of Crimea. With relations no better some two years later, Russia appears now to have abandoned the four-engined turboprop aircraft entirely, in favour of its own upgraded jet airlifter.

    The VVS has received the first of 30 Il-76MD-90A aircraft that are expected to be delivered by 2020. Also referred to as the Il-476, the Il-76MD-90A is an upgraded variant of the Soviet-era Il-76 'Candid' that features a digital 'glass' cockpit as well as modernised flight, navigation, and communication systems. Structural improvements include a modified wing and reinforced landing gear. The engines have also been updated, giving the aircraft a 60-tonne payload (up from 40 tonnes for the baseline Il-76) and a 12% reduced fuel consumption.

    The upgraded platform can fly up to 8,500 km with a 20-tonne payload (or 4,100 km with a 50-tonne load), which compares favourably to the 6,598 km with a 20-tonne payload of the An-70. The Il-76MD-90A has a 60-tonne payload compared with 47 tonnes for the An-70.

    Previously the VVS has stated a requirement for 100 such aircraft (as well as about 40 Il-76MD-90A-derived Il-478 tankers and an expected 20 A-100 Airborne Warning And Control System [AWACS] platforms), of which 30 have so far been contracted.
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    Developer: AWACS aircraft A-50 can be used in Syria

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/2584997

    The main task of the aircraft - the detection and tracking of air targets and surface ships

    MOSCOW, Jan. 14. / TASS /. Features AEW (AWACS) A-50 you can use it anywhere in the world, including in Syria. On Thursday Tass said the representative of "instrument-United Corporation" (UIC, is a state corporation "Rostec"), to develop these aircraft. Earlier media reported that Russia began using AEW A-50 in the skies over Syria to support the operations of its air group in the country.

    Earlier media reported that Russia began using AEW A-50 in the skies over Syria to support the operations of its air group in the country.

    "The specifications and functionality of the A-50 you can use it anywhere in the world, including in Syria," - a spokesman said. According to him, the main task of the aircraft - the detection and tracking of air targets and surface ships, notification command posts of air and surface surveillance, control of fighter aircraft and attack aircraft as they hover on air, land and sea targets. "It's airborne command post, his main task - to monitor the situation, detection and tracking of objects on the ground, the air, the water. It is capable of tracking up to 300 targets simultaneously," - said the representative of the UIC. He added that the aircraft is capable of detecting airborne targets at a distance of 650 km, land - up to 300 km. "This is an analogue of the American AWACS (from the English abbreviation AWACS, Airborne Warning and Control System - approx. TASS), equivalent in features, and a number of characteristics, even surpasses it", - concluded the agency.
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    Russia to fill gap left by An-70 with more Il-76MD-90A airlifters
    Interesting, An-70 has been dead for a number of years now. Still, it does have some capabilities the Il-76MD-90A lacks: wider fuselage and operations in shorter runways.

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    Who is this unnamed customer ?

    Russian Company Delivers Eight Il-76 Aircraft to 'Unnamed' Asian State

    http://sputniknews.com/business/2016...asia-il76.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadRat View Post
    Better to develop T-50 airframe and divest Flankers away from multiple variations. Currently they have Su-30 variations for both domestic and export, Su-34M, and Su-35S. I hate to say it, but there isn't enough money around for them to keep all the lines open.
    There only are two.. the more advanced Su-30s from Irkut (variations MKI, MKA, MKM, SM) and the cheaper Su-30s from KnAAZ (variations MKK, M2, MK2).. That is all..

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    There only are two.. the more advanced Su-30s from Irkut (variations MKI, MKA, MKM, SM) and the cheaper Su-30s from KnAAZ (variations MKK, M2, MK2).. That is all..
    Also, VKS won't be acquiring any more Su-30 from KnAAZ.

    Russian Company Delivers Eight Il-76 Aircraft to 'Unnamed' Asian State
    Interesting. Aircraft are second hand because deliveries have been fast. Maybe China. It will be a while before Y-20 is ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadRat View Post
    Better to develop T-50 airframe and divest Flankers away from multiple variations. Currently they have Su-30 variations for both domestic and export, Su-34M, and Su-35S. I hate to say it, but there isn't enough money around for them to keep all the lines open.
    NAPO and Irkut are one line (Su-34 and Su-30SM, respectively) each while Knaaz is narrowing down towards just Su-35 (only leftovers being Su-30MK family exports).
    Irkut talked about phasing out Flanker production at the end of this decade, so that would narrow it down to just two lines. That was before they got big domestic orders and a number of export contracts, so it maybe pushed back a few years...but either way that line is profitable and well-oiled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    Russia 'freezes' India out of MTA project, to proceed alone as Il-214

    http://www.janes.com/article/57169/r...lone-as-il-214
    When did Janes become so ****e? That news article is convoluted and one cant tell anything from it. In what world is PD-14M based on PS-90A? PD-14M is based on PD-14 and i assume it has FADEC the Indians whine so much about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    Who is this unnamed customer ?

    Russian Company Delivers Eight Il-76 Aircraft to 'Unnamed' Asian State

    http://sputniknews.com/business/2016...asia-il76.html
    China of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkut View Post
    When did Janes become so ****e? That news article is convoluted and one cant tell anything from it. In what world is PD-14M based on PS-90A? PD-14M is based on PD-14 and i assume it has FADEC the Indians whine so much about.



    China of course.
    Are they talking about "refurbished" ones? If so, it is old news. And I am pretty sure they are... The deal was done 4 years ago? And deliveries started 2 years ago. Maybe this is the end of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a89 View Post
    Also, VKS won't be acquiring any more Su-30 from KnAAZ.
    I know.. They have only ordered the Su-30M2s as trainers for their Su-27SM/SM3s.

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    I know.. They have only ordered the Su-30M2s as trainers for their Su-27SM/SM3s.
    Yes, I have always wondered about the origin of those Su-30. China cancelled Su-27SK production license, and there were no Su-30 contracts cancelled.

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    News of the program resumption of production of the IL-114

    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1682031.html

    According to news agency "Interfax-AVN", citing a source in the aircraft industry, the first four of the IL-114 will be built at the Nizhny Novgorod aircraft building plant "Sokol" of production touched Tashkent aircraft factory in 2018. The source added that in parallel to the "Falcon" will be organized assembly of advanced aircraft IL-114-300. "The first such aircraft will be ready in 2019", - he said.

    The interlocutor of the agency noted that until 2012, mass production of IL-114 was conducted in an aircraft factory in Tashkent, then the plant switched to other products, releasing a total of 17 machines. "On an aircraft factory in Tashkent was a production backlog for aircraft IL-114. With the aircraft factory negotiations, and he is willing to sell everything you need from the product backlog to build on the" Falcon "first Il-114. This will accelerate the deployment of mass production of this type of aircraft in Russia ", - said the source.

    According to him, in the United Engine Corporation assured that the problems with the supply of engines TV7-117SM for IL-114 will not. "The interest of the military to patrol version of the Il-114 also weakened, as it has a duration flight of at least 11 hours and allows you to install it on all the necessary equipment to patrol," - a spokesman said.

    He recalled that the international military-technical forum "Army 2015" United Aircraft Corporation unveiled a prototype of the modernized Il-114, converted into a patrol aircraft for law enforcement agencies.

    It is expected that sales of the Il-114 for various customers from 2019 to 2030 will be about 320 aircraft. The maximum production capacity - 24 cars a year - must be achieved in 2025. According to the plans the production of the first prototype can be delivered in the years 2018-2019, and by 2025 customers may be transferred to up to 24 of these aircraft.
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    Su-35S' join the 22nd Aviation Regiment @ Vladivostok (scroll down for pics & video):

    http://www.newsvl.ru/vlad/2016/01/16/143401/


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    Lots of Su -35 stationed in far-east Russia.
    It must be related to its good mission range.
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