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Thread: RuAF News and development Thread part 15

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR1 View Post
    Hey could ya'll take your extremely interesting conversation about economics and quality of life to an appropriate place? This thread if for the VKS.
    It feels great when people listen to you, doesn't it

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSphere View Post
    Putin's voters will not see any stagnation.. Those voting the opposition will only see stagnation. As usual, the truth is somewhere in the middle...
    There is nothing like the truth in the middle. Such a claim is for the benefit of a liar only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halloweene View Post
    Compare average lifestyle of canadian and russian? And THINK!
    Hallo, for goodness sake, its fairly obvious that you are asking too much...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSphere View Post
    Because it makes little sense.. PAK-FA needs longer supersonic range, not higher supercruise speed than the Raptor..
    Even if a dedicated supercruiser, the supersonic range of the F-22 is not greater than supersonic range of a dedicated non-supercruiser, the F-35. That's a big disappointment, IMHO..
    Strange claim to stay polite. Do go supersonic you have to overcome the related drag. Compared to subsonic your burn is around two times the fuel per mile in military high up or four times the same in full burner. Be it the PAK-FA, the F-22A or the F-35, in going supersonic will reduce your range considerably. It is a time-limited dash capability in an BVR-enviroment.
    Similar a "Cheetah", one try to reach the firing solution or the option is gone. Most hunters prefer to stay undetected as long as possible (stealth) to surprise your victim.


    63*% топлива: 2700 км
    со 100*% топлива: 4300 км
    с 2 ПТБ: 5500 км

    All the range claims are true subsonic high up.

    с 63*% топлива: 26510 кг
    со 100*% топлива: 30610 кг

    The Russian data gives 19,5 tons empty equipped and 7 tons of fuel 2700 km range or 11 tons for 4300 km range. 2,6 km fuel per km in a subsonic hi-profile. 2,56 kg at max internal. The higher internal fuel load gives the T-50 around 1/3 more range.
    compared to the F-22A. It is less dependent on arial-refuelling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sens View Post
    There is nothing like the truth in the middle. Such a claim is for the benefit of a liar only.
    Indeed, this is the "golden mean" logical fallacy.

    It holds that where there are two different assertions the "truth" is likely somewhere in between. Of course in practice the truth is what the truth is, regardless of what anyone says.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation

    The truth does not shift one way or another because one party chooses to invent fabulous lies. (Take MH17 for example, the events of that day didn't change one iota no matter how many new versions of the "story" Russia produced.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSphere View Post
    I don't think there is anything like "average Russian".. the country's income is very inequal and resembles United States while Canada is European-like in that regard.
    Funny, but you're right, few percents are hugely inequal to the vast majority of people, 23 millions of which are living under the so called "poverty line" and others "enjoy" $200-400 of monthly salary.

    We're living better than Canadian people, sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar View Post
    Funny, but you're right, few percents are hugely inequal to the vast majority of people, 23 millions of which are living under the so called "poverty line" and others "enjoy" $200-400 of monthly salary.

    We're living better than Canadian people, sure.
    atleast you have that positive number. Energy prices are three times higher in canada. this one among many measures. independent private source not stupid. they see the more Russia spend on military the richer gets. there is no chance for canada.


    http://koreabizwire.com/south-korean...aliation/77661

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    Yeah, stagnation in economics and consumer-prices growth are making us richer, year by year. Canada, with its standards of life, sucks.

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    Guys.. not that i'm the most diciplined in here, but could you pls knock this Economy crap off.

    And could someone else than me report JSR OT nonsens post..
    Thanks

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    i currently stay in a 3rd world country, and a no-skill job here is 200 buck also
    the missile will require about five times the G capability of the target to complete a successful intercept.
    -Robert L Shaw

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    Quote Originally Posted by obligatory View Post
    i currently stay in a 3rd world country, and a no-skill job here is 200 buck also
    No-skill job?! You mean, like a school-teacher?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar View Post
    No-skill job?! You mean, like a school-teacher?
    Oo

    Really?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sintra View Post
    Oo

    Really?!
    https://person-agency.ru/salary-uchitelya.html

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    UUURGGHHH

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    Also standard of living now...
    Ok, just one for the taste of it:
    The connection between economy of a nation and its capacity of generating military might have nothing to do with general statistic about GDP and even less personal income and standard of living.
    If these was the case Luxembourg would be a world power.
    It's instead the characteristics and sources of said GDP and of public spending that determine it.
    In this sense today Russia is very well positioned as its mainly sources of income (petrol, LNG , minerals) are centralized, immediately profitable and requires a very limited labour input, its public debt is one of the smallest of the world and it can produce autonomously almost the majority of the armaments it need.
    Canada, but also most of Western European nation have an incomparably higher GDP/capita but their own budget is absolutely rigid and completely absorbed by their own social spending, their own sources of income are directly linked to people's labour and public debt...ok , you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yama View Post
    It feels great when people listen to you, doesn't it
    I'm just rolling my eyes and ignoring the OT.

    http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9098/rsz11rsz3807.jpg

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    http://antonio-d50.livejournal.com/

    This guy always has great MiG-29 spotting photos.





















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    Mi-35M keeps selling apparently, air-frame for Bolivia.

    http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9098/rsz11rsz3807.jpg

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    Mi-35M keeps selling apparently, air-frame for Bolivia.
    I checking this information because the Bolivian Air Force can barely afford bullets and no announcement can be made. Maybe an African country? Cammo is similar to MiG-29 from Chad.
    History and Military Technology blog

    alejandro-8en.blogspot.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR1 View Post
    Mi-35M keeps selling apparently, air-frame for Bolivia.
    Quote Originally Posted by a89 View Post
    I checking this information because the Bolivian Air Force can barely afford bullets and no announcement can be made. Maybe an African country? Cammo is similar to MiG-29 from Chad.
    More a Mi-35 airframe for Mali....

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    Hm, thanks for the correction.

    http://www.cameroonconcordnews.com/r...ola-and-sudan/

    Didn't catch this, apparently along with Nigeria and Sudan, Angola and Mali are getting some mix of Mi-35s and Mi-8s.
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    https://lenta.ru/news/2017/03/24/frigates/

    AA blamed for Poliment-Redut and Shtil (wtf?) delays.

    https://lenta.ru/news/2017/03/24/mi28ub/

    First Mi-28UB will be delivered to VKS later this year.
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    Desert c/s for Bolivia? Mali maybe?

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    Nice view of nozzles at work...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peregrinefalcon View Post


    Nice view of nozzles at work...
    @ 1:22 , is the recording on Fast forward ? wow..

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    Quote Originally Posted by KGB View Post
    @ 1:22 , is the recording on Fast forward ? wow..
    No, it just depends on the angle from which you are filming the forced turn.

    Look here at 1:00


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    There is something to be said about this camo layout Flanker!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbwCPENOCxQ
    Thanks

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