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Thread: RuAF News and development Thread part 15

  1. #3721
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    Regarding the "Kulbit", watch closely the left tailplane. This a pilot input, not a correction (deflection is kept until full roll).

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    Modernized to Su-30SM is nonsense as it need Bars-R radar and engines with TVC to be in this level. Most probably it is about Su-30KN modernization package from the same Irkut as Su-30SM, which Belarus use to modernize Su-27 and Su-30 fighters. Su-30KN package upgrade existing radar to multirole radar with similar capabilities as N001VEP which Su-27SM have. I think Gefest was just a hoax and under this name they got modernization components from Irkut or from Belarus considering, that Belarus modernization mof Angolan Su-30K to Su-30KN is late. After all, Gefest didn't modernize any Flanker before and suddenly they modernize a group of Su-33 in few months and they become operational in real combat without any testing. They for sure got operational modernization package, which are Su-27SM and Su-30KN. Su-27SM package could be done only in KNAAZ so in Zhukovsky they could install Su-30KN package.

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    Just when I think I am getting bored of Flanker post-stall maneuvers....that repetition is great.

    Unrelated: a few tantalizing clips of a MiG-31/R-33 firing, unfortunately too damn short:

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    Unexpected;


    https://russianplanes.net/id213426

    Will be like 3 Il-76LL frames there. One for TV7-117ST, one for PD-14 and one for hypersonics.

    EDIT;

    On the theme of surprises;


    https://russianplanes.net/id213440
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    Muxel has pointed out that those are very close to 338 conceptually.

    The latter, as well as the former, were originally supposed to be command line + IR (as well as 9M100), but the 9M338K mock up that was on a display circa 2012 did not indicate any IR seeker

    Combined with NVO publication circa same year claiming that they did not get the seeker figured out yet and the system [TOR-M2] has passed the trials using a missile without one (command line only, most likely said K-indexed 338), leaves the question open.
    Unless it is some kind of new IR system, they have been using IR for manpads, short range A-A missiles, etc for decades, so why would they all of a suddent have a problem, even though they use IR SAM's even now? I think there may be a bit more to this. This one could be a simple command one, and then there are other variants. Maybe not. Maybe the IR wasn't necessary?

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    Yak-152 in those colors! What a sight, maybe one day they will join the Su-26s @ Borki. Yak-52s are old.
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    Interview with UAC president Yuri Slusar

    "We do not compete in the country, we compete on a global field"


    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3360057
    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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    https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017...r-cockpit.html
    7. In 2016, with Russian jets from the Kuznetsov over western Syria, Rafale crews operating in the area were tasked with entering airspace to acquire something they didn’t have: the attack mode of a Russian Su-33 radar. Two Rafales used their SPECTRA integrated electronic warfare systems on a 90 minute mission that finally ended in success. “It was a small but very important mission, and it helped sharpen how we use electronic warfare and signature acquisition in some of the most difficult and crowded airspace in the world,” a pilot who was in one of the Rafales says.
    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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    7. In 2016, with Russian jets from the Kuznetsov over western Syria, Rafale crews operating in the area were tasked with entering airspace to acquire something they didn’t have: the attack mode of a Russian Su-33 radar. Two Rafales used their SPECTRA integrated electronic warfare systems on a 90 minute mission that finally ended in success.
    Cool Story. Especially in the light of the fact that Su-33 are equipped with a version of the old and very well-known N001. And finally, what for Su-33 could use their radars in "Attack mode"?!!

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    A2A mode, fair and simple.
    Thanks

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    As said before, it's quite possible that next to the SVP-33 system, the Su-33s might have been upgraded with A-G modes for their N001 in order to deploy at least a basic set of PGMs. That is how the quote "Su-33 will be upgraded to a standard similar to Su-30SM" can be explained, as I have severe doubts any Su-33s would ever get the N011M Bars radar set.

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    A2A mode, fair and simple.
    A2A attack mode? Against who?! I don't remember Su-33 were involved in any A2A combat engagements, even against UAV.

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    gents, I have a question.

    On the Su35S (post #3699) , what is the black/metallic/pearlescent material on the horizontal stabilizer?

    Sorry if it has been asked before.
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    Probably it's titanium. This allows the use of unguided missiles

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    Why not, even tho its a limited Radar on Su-33. Its what it does best, A2A.
    I'm sure the Russians is painting everything flying close to efreities River in Syria. It just a way of sending a message.
    Edit;
    Doesn't mean they intend to shoot down stuff. Leave the to the Muricans.
    Last edited by haavarla; 18th July 2017 at 15:38.
    Thanks

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    Thanks Paralay, very interesting.

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    @haavarla

    I already said - why.

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    I doubt it is about Su-33 A2A modes, what Rafales were interested in. They scan those A2A modes from Su-27 and Su-33 N001 radars many times in last decades, like over Baltic, etc. Most probably Su-33 radar got upgrade in its radar similar to Su-30KN program (similar capabilities like N001VEP) and they were interested in their A2G modes. Su-27SM and Su-30M2 have N001VEP radars, so maybe their A2G modes are not exactly the same. Su-30KN upgrade is in use in Belarus, Kazakhstan and soon in Angola, when their Su-30KN will be delivered from Belarus. RuAF also have a few flying Su-30KN in Lipetsk.

    When they talked about Su-33 anti-ship capabilities, it could be only about radar anti-ship modes and not about SVP-24, which was created for totally different task.

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    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2733588.html
    AI-222-25 (Yak-130 engine) service life has been increased (after domestication and replacement of Ukrainian components).
    Before it was 600 hours TBO and 1200 total. Now, 1500 TBO, and 3000 total.

    https://lenta.ru/news/2017/07/18/engines/

    This year the plan is to make 130 "All-Russian" VK-2500s, part of the long saga to phase out Motor-Sich.

    https://lenta.ru/news/2017/07/18/mi38_military/

    MOD will buy "up to 15" Mi-38s by 2020. First two trial aircraft to be handed over in 2018-2019.
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    @Medo:
    Weird deal (rather an innefective trade): strategic Spectra Vs AtG mode of an asset already burdened by the task of defending a crippled career.
    I wonder what could have been the urgency behind this given the short time the Ru aircraft were stationed in the zone...
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    Quote Originally Posted by medo
    I doubt it is about Su-33 A2A modes, what Rafales were interested in. They scan those A2A modes from Su-27 and Su-33 N001 radars many times in last decades, like over Baltic, etc. Most probably Su-33 radar got upgrade in its radar similar to Su-30KN program (similar capabilities like N001VEP) and they were interested in their A2G modes. Su-27SM and Su-30M2 have N001VEP radars, so maybe their A2G modes are not exactly the same. Su-30KN upgrade is in use in Belarus, Kazakhstan and soon in Angola, when their Su-30KN will be delivered from Belarus. RuAF also have a few flying Su-30KN in Lipetsk.
    There was only one Su-30KN ever made.. #302.. none are flying at Lipetsk.. the program never got beyond this stage as the role of the cheap Flankers has been taken over by the Su-30MKK/MK2.

    Belarus and Kazakhstan use an Su-27-based upgrade, called Su-27UBM1 and Su-27UBM2.

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    Good news, a full-sized demonstration version of Orion-E will be officially premiered tomorrow (probably should thank Chinese poking them with a Wing Loong, hehe).

    For now, here's the photo of it in Kronshtadt's chalet:

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    Couple of mock ups:

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    Orion-2 (5 tone, Altius-M class) mock up (early development stage, civilian certification preparations).

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    Fregat tiltrotor downsized model (10 kg) with ~30 flights in it's bag:

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    VTOL demonstrator (max weight - 30 kgs):

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    Specifications can be found here: https://missiles2go.ru/2017/07/17/orion-e/

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    1:56, the new pod.
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    https://www.livefistdefence.com/2017...r-cockpit.html
    7. In 2016, with Russian jets from the Kuznetsov over western Syria, Rafale crews operating in the area were tasked with entering airspace to acquire something they didn’t have: the attack mode of a Russian Su-33 radar. Two Rafales used their SPECTRA integrated electronic warfare systems on a 90 minute mission that finally ended in success. “It was a small but very important mission, and it helped sharpen how we use electronic warfare and signature acquisition in some of the most difficult and crowded airspace in the world,” a pilot who was in one of the Rafales says.
    In other words, the Rafales fled the area when the Su-33s that were tracking it changed over to attack mode.
    Now, lets see if the Russians will come out with their combat exposure in Syria and how they were successfully tracking Spectra equipped Rafale-Ms for any mischiefs.

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    The Rafale's were granted access to Syrian Airspace after the first Paris attack remember. France did some bombing mission in Syria shortly after. Stronk Man Putin ordered the MoD to give the Rafale Access.
    They were just escorted by Su-33. No need to overly dramatize this.
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    ^ That's what you should have told the Rafale PR team. Not to overly dramatize.

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    Overly dramatize? They were just collecting radar intelligence data that they use to program their RWR receivers, standard procedure really. The attack mode could simply refer to the STT mode (lock).

    The question is why would they single out the Su-33 radar. Perhaps it has some modifications to optimize it for over the sea operation which changes its signature somewhat? Or perhaps they were referring to the wartime radar frequency?

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    No, there were two Su-30KN prototypes, b/n 302, which is in Irkutsk and b/n 597, which is in use with Gromov Institute. They also upgrade four Su-30 to Su-30KN, which have b/n 66, 67, 68 and 69 and they are in Lipetsk.

    Irkut also deliver Su-30KN upgrade package to Baranovichi aviation plant in Belarus, which upgrade Belarus and Kazakhstan Su-27 jets with this Su-30KN package as they upgrade Angolan Su-30 to Su-30KN now.

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    Su-33 is also equipped with L-150 Pastel RWR/ELINT complex, so they collect intelligence data on Rafale radar as well.

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    http://ak-12.livejournal.com/72236.html

    MiG is planning to have 22 MiG-29M/M2s in final stages of construction this year, so the contract for Egypt is proceeding rapidly. This includes 22 T220/E targeting pods (seen on the MiG-35).

    https://lenta.ru/news/2017/07/19/sap518/

    VKS Su-30SMs will be getting the SAP-518SM EW pods finally, 15 sets this year.
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