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Thread: SAAB Gripen and Gripen NG thread #4

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    The first Saab Gripen E/F fighters received into Brazilian Air Force (FAB) service will have an initial operational capability (IOC) from the outset, according to Brigadier General Marcio Bruno Bonotto, commander of the FAB's procurement command (COPAC).

    Speaking during a set of briefings on Gripen export activities at Saab's aeronautics division in Linkoping on 9 May, Brig Gen Bonotto said "the first Gripen aircraft that we will receive in 2021 will be IOC from Day One", adding that the FAB's Gripen fleet will comprise "operational aircraft and there will not be any 'Independence Day' aeroplanes that are just for parades".
    Read more: http://www.janes.com/article/70287/b...rom-the-get-go

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    Saab has active Gripen campaigns in Belgium, Botswana, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Colombia, Finland, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippians, Slovakia and Switzerland
    Read more: http://aviationweek.com/awindefense/...ripen-campaign

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    Saab is also moving forward with preparations for the Gripen E’s first flight, expected to occur before the end of June.
    The company will begin delivering the first Gripen Es to Sweden and Brazil in 2019. The Swedish Air Force plans to buy 60 Gripen E/Fs, and Brazil has put in an order for 36 aircraft — although it may need up to 100 new fighters to replenish its force.
    Full story: http://www.defensenews.com/articles/...ipen-c-d-sales

    It's mid May and they still stick to the timelines declared last year, both for first flight and first deliveries.

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    aB9 wrote:

    It does not make much sense to keep 2 production lines open, and a brand new Gripen C will never be cheaper than a used F-16. Also, there should be quite a few Gripen in storage.
    I have the impression that a brand new Gripen C at roundabout US$60 million can be cheaper than buying an F-16 that needs to be upgraded. Depends on whether the F-16 is given away for nothing or next to nothing and the price charged to upgrade it. Not quite sure but didn't Bulgaria decide that upgrading used F-16's would be more costly that buying new Gripens?

    About production lines at SAAB, are there different lines for C and E? I recall Airbus used one line for both A330 and A340.
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    Does it make any sense to keep production of Gripen C/D? I thought it had been completed in 2015 anyway. The aircrafts acquired by Thailand, Czech Republic, Hungary and south Africa being from Swedish stocks.
    There is a rather significant price difference between the two systems.

    Not all countries can afford to buy the Gripen E, and most of those who can afford it will probably be more interested in the bigger alternatives. Therefore it makes sens to keep offering the C/D. It is easier sold to countries with a more limited budget while still being a very capable plane.

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    The Bulgarians said the new Gripen C was cheaper than F-16s from Portugal...

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    Yes, but surely that was contract price, including refurbishment of the F-16s. They're a lot older than the Gripens.

    AFAIK the main part of the cost of buying used F-16s is usually the extras, not the aircraft themselves.
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    There are no details available of the offers, except that the Gripen offer for new aircraft were considerably cheaper
    than the offer for the used Portuguese F-16s.
    If that can be maintained for future affairs, then it makes sense to maintain Gripen C production.

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    Gripen E to feature next gen EW capability

    Both operational testing and evaluation (OTE) pilots with the Swedish Air Force (SwAF) and the company's own test pilots are highly complimentary of the next-generation Saab Gripen E fighter. "It is a happy coincidence that both the manufacturer and the customer - in this case the SwAF - have almost identical levels of enthusiasm for a new product," said a Saab representative.

    The first Gripen E is undergoing high-speed taxi tests and is expected to make a first flight by the end of June. While the aircraft has several major performance related advancements as part of its design such as the new GE F414G engine and more fuel capacity, the pilots emphasise that one of the aircraft's major non-kinetic force multipliers is its advanced set of electronic onboard systems.

    One of the standout improvements is the Gripen E's electronic warfare (EW) system, which takes advantage of the aircraft's fully-digital architecture. This and the more powerful jammer-emitter capability, which is made possible by the integrated set of jamming transmitters, radar warning receivers, and the Selex AESA radar set, make for a more powerful EW profile.

    "The configuration of the EW system for the Gripen E allows you to focus the jamming signal in a narrower band, so the signal itself is stronger and directed at an individual specific threat," said one of the Gripen test pilots. The previous EW system produced a broader frequency band signal, which was designed to counter several threats at once.

    The Gripen E's new EW system uses three types of signal generators to obscure the existence of the aircraft or cause confusion about its location and/or existence so that an adversary cannot choose a proper firing solution. The three types of signal generators are Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM), Doppler, and Noise. DRFM emulates the signal of the radar that makes contact with the aircraft and then mirrors it back so that it appears to the operator on the other side that the radar has encountered nothing.

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    First Flight of Gripen E Will Reveal True Cost of Fighter Development
    (Source: Defense-Aerospace.com; posted May 11, 2017)

    By Giovanni de Briganti

    http://http://www.defense-aerospace....velopment.html

    PARIS and LINKOPING, Sweden --- The next-generation variant of Sweden’s Gripen fighter is due to make its maiden flight sometime during the next month, between the first anniversary of its official roll-out on May 18 and the June 19 opening of the Paris Air Show.

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    So you'll have to look around for another combat aircraft. Since the offer is manageable. Gruber mentioned the F-16 of Lockheed Martin (a corresponding offer was rejected by the German Army in 2002), the Swedish JAS-39 Gripen (which was the Eurofighter in 2002) and the Czech L-159 NG.
    Google translated from: http://derstandard.at/2000057173987/...en-Eurofighter

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    What it says there: Options are limited. Airchief Gruber mentioned the F-16 (rejected by the Austrian Army in 2002), Gripen (lost to EF in 2002) and the L-159NG.

    Those are the alternatives to EF according to Airchief Gruber. Couple of points. 1st, replacing EF altogether is still unlikely imho. 2nd, L-159NG, what is that supposed to mean? No such thing exists, author probably got confused and meant L-39NG. But that's purely a trainer, probably has been mentioned as candidate for S 105 replacement along with L-159 maybe. Even then L-39 would be a poor S 105 replacement, way to underpowered. L-159 might work but again, no replacement for a fighter.

    S 105 replacement is also mentioned in the article. Options include a new trainer, but with only 15 EFs, a high performance trainer is needed as a supplement in the air policing role. M-346 and maybe L-159 come to mind. A lesser perfomance trainer like the L-39NG would be fine for pilot training, but would require more supersonic jets. More EFs are highly unlikely. But keeping the current 15 jets and accept a loss in capability with a medium trainer is certainly possible in Austria. Another option is of course to get another, cheaper fighter in greater numbers, so a cheaper trainer, maybe even a prop, is enough. Enter Gripen. This option could also be combined with the outsourcing of pilot training to Italy f.e., making the acquisition of an expensive jet trainer unnecessary. Since the S 105 is out in 2020, a decision should be made soon...
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    Anyone stated that active cancellation "could not exist"??? Gripen E will use it according to Jane's...

    DRFM emulates the signal of the radar that makes contact with the aircraft and then mirrors it back so that it appears to the operator on the other side that the radar has encountered nothing.
    http://www.janes.com/article/70320/g...are-capability

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    this has been discussed already -- this may not be "active cancellation" however the term "active stealth" may be a reasonable description...

    It has been reported that also Gripen C/D have similar capabilities. However the Gripen E no doubt will have much enhanced EWS capabilities.

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    https://hushkit.net/2017/05/16/the-t...17-bvr-combat/

    They are putting the tiny Gripen C on third position, mainly because of the Meteor. Actually I do think they have a good point.

    And as was reported from India recently the latest upgrade to the Gripen radar increases the range significantly, allowing the Gripen to take advantage of the long-range Meteor missile.

    Brilliant to put this out there before Typhoon and Rafale get the Meteor missile integrated
    Last edited by Loke; 18th May 2017 at 08:08.

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    Meteor is integrated, campaign done . µIt is not inducted in forces.

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    ANALYSIS: Saab counts down to Gripen E debut

    Saab is counting down to performing the first flight of its Gripen E combat aircraft before the end of June, as it also strives to finalise a slew of potential new sales of the earlier C/D version in Europe and Africa.
    Full story: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...-debut-437320/

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