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    Bulgarian fighter replacement

    Sofia released a request for proposals for the requirement in December 2016, seeking an initial eight fighters to be procured through a government-to-government agreement.

    The defence ministry’s current plan foresees an investment of €767 million ($823 million) to acquire the aircraft and ground support equipment, plus a small package of air-to-air and air-to-surface weapons, logistics support and personnel training.
    I would think that the package is impossible at that price, whether it be second hand F-16's needing an upgrade or new Gripen C's. Perhaps the supply of Italian tranche 1 Typhoons for next to nothing would make it possible within the budget.

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ontest-435226/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spitfire9 View Post
    Bulgarian fighter replacement

    I would think that the package is impossible at that price, whether it be second hand F-16's needing an upgrade or new Gripen C's. Perhaps the supply of Italian tranche 1 Typhoons for next to nothing would make it possible within the budget.

    https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ontest-435226/
    $823 million is quite a decent amount of budget for a buy of 8 fighters. That could easily buy 8 or more Gripen C/D. In comparison Romanian F-16 buy of 12 F-16 MLU Blk15 plus 13 Embedded Global Positioning Systems/Inertial Navigation Systems (EGPS/INS) with GPS Security Devices, 3 AN/ALQ-131 Electronic Countermeasure Pods, 30 AIM-120C Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM), 5 AIM-120C Captive Air Training Missiles (CATMs), 60 AIM-9M Sidewinder Missiles, 4 AIM-9M CATMs, 48 LAU-129 Launchers, 10 GBU-12 Enhanced Guided Bomb Units, 18 AGM-65H/KB Maverick Missiles, 4 AGM-65 CATMs, 15 Multifunctional Information Distribution System/Low Volume Terminals and 2 Multifunctional Information Distribution System Ground Support Systems trainings and support just cost $457 million.

    It would be very2 enticing to get 2nd hand Typhoons but I would rather skip the high operating costs and expensive upgrades and go for brand new Gripen C/D's.

    Or if air policing and QRA is the main purpose, go for low operating costs and get 24 KAI FA-50 Fighting Eagles for the $823 million and call it a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexz View Post
    Or if air policing and QRA is the main purpose, go for low operating costs and get 24 KAI FA-50 Fighting Eagles for the $823 million and call it a day.
    24 T-50s for Iraq cost them $1.1 billion. Unlikely to be cheaper for Bulgaria.

    Iraq takes delivery of first South Korean jets

    South Korea's Yonhap news agency announced in December 2013 that Iraq had ordered 24 of the FA-50 light attack variant of the T-50 trainer under a USD1.1 billion deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackArcher View Post
    24 T-50s for Iraq cost them $1.1 billion. Unlikely to be cheaper for Bulgaria.

    Iraq takes delivery of first South Korean jets
    Maybe get 18 of them. That should cost $825 mil at the same rate. Perfect fit for the Bulgarian budget. Will also be able to function as AJTs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackArcher View Post
    24 T-50s for Iraq cost them $1.1 billion. Unlikely to be cheaper for Bulgaria.

    Iraq takes delivery of first South Korean jets
    12 FA-50PH for philippines cost $425 million, and 16 T-50I for indonesia cost $400 million.

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    Syria Fires Missiles at Israeli Warplanes - Anti-ballistic missile defend

    the Syrian missiles set off Israeli air raid sirens and aerial defense systems in the Jordan Valley, and the Israeli military said its Arrow air defense system had intercepted one of the missiles that appeared to be heading toward Israeli territory — the first confirmed operational use of that antimissile system.

    While the Israeli aircraft may have escaped unscathed, the sirens and explosions served to thrust Israel’s yearslong shadow war in Syria uncomfortably into the limelight.
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    Israeli aircraft [had] conducted operations around the ancient city of Palmyra
    A Jordanian civil defense source told Reuters a projectile had landed in a village on the outskirts of the northern Jordanian city of Irbid, about 12 miles from the Syria-Israel border, causing light damage. The source said army engineers were examining the object, believed to be fired from Syrian territory in the direction of Israel.
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    [reuters:]
    The military said in its statement that one of the anti-aircraft missiles had been intercepted. The blast was heard as far away as Jerusalem, dozens of miles away. There were no reports of casualties or damage.
    [The Aviationist:]
    Other sources said the Syrian SAM was intercepted by a Arrow-2, an air defense system more likely to be employed against an SA-5 considered the size, operating altitude and range of this surface-to-air missile.
    Syrian army claimed one shotdown and one damaged and threatened to retaliate.
    The Syrian army said that Israel had targeted a military site near Palmyra and swore to retaliate "directly, with all means at its disposal."
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    US Air Force to release OA-X invitation this week

    While previous OA-X efforts have favored turboprop aircraft, the USAF has not drilled down requirements for specific platforms. The service is seeking an aircraft optimised for an austere environment that can operate off of 6,000ft or shorter runwasy and fly with an average fuel flow of 1,500lb/h or less, Bunch says.

    “For light attack, it’s going to be open to anybody,” he says. “But there are selection criteria. I don’t know what the art of the possible is for industry right now, so we’re trying to keep it as broad as we can, industry may have something that’s very innovative that we haven’t thought about.”

    The service expects responses from industry within a month and will make a selection for participants to fly this summer at Holloman Air Force Base, New Mexico. That experiment would continue work from a previous US Special Operations Command effort known as Combat Dragon. Combat Dragon I operated low-cost aircraft at Fallon Naval Air Station, Nevada, and its successor Combat Dragon II demonstrated OV-10 Broncos in the Middle East. Like the previous iteration of low-cost aircraft experiments, the Holloman exercise would determine whether the service should transition to a second phase with demonstrations in the Middle East, USAF chief Gen David Goldfein told reporters 3 March at the annual Air Warfare Symposium in Orlando, Florida.
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    Moretti out, replaced by Italian banking exec

    “Moretti did an excellent job increasing efficiencies but a manager with international experience is now needed to build global business,” said the spokesman at the Italian finance ministry, which holds the controlling share in Leonardo. “It’s true Profumo’s experience is mainly financial but he did lead Unicredit to becoming one of the few really international banks in Europe."
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    Belgium formally launches fighter replacement effort


    54 f-16 with 34 new fighters.

    should it be 1 type of high end fighters? or 1 hi end and 1 low end for qra and LIFT replacing alpha jets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexz View Post
    Belgium formally launches fighter replacement effort


    54 f-16 with 34 new fighters.

    should it be 1 type of high end fighters? or 1 hi end and 1 low end for qra and LIFT replacing alpha jets?
    Why bear the expense of buying and maintaining an under-utilized trainer system when you can rent the capability from someone else when you need it?
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    [QUOTE=djcross;2380770][QUOTE=alexz;2380753][URL="http://www.janes.com/article/68838/belgium
    Why bear the expense of buying and maintaining an under-utilized trainer system when you can rent the capability from someone else when you need it?[/QUOTE]

    the Alpha jets are expected to be retired in 2018 without replacement.

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    Surfaces every now & then. There were similar reports last May, & in November 2015. Wake me up when it's more than empty words.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nils View Post
    the Alpha jets are expected to be retired in 2018 without replacement.
    You can buy training services from the UK, or France or Italy or many other nations cheaper than you can purchase and maintain your own fleet of under-utilized training aircraft.

    You need a certain level of yearly student throughput to justify having your own training capability. And smaller Air Forces simply don't have sufficient student throughput.

    But if you desire trainers to satisfy a misguided sense of national pride, that is another matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djcross View Post
    You can buy training services from the UK, or France or Italy or many other nations cheaper than you can purchase and maintain your own fleet of under-utilized training aircraft.

    You need a certain level of yearly student throughput to justify having your own training capability. And smaller Air Forces simply don't have sufficient student throughput.

    But if you desire trainers to satisfy a misguided sense of national pride, that is another matter.
    Lets look at this in another way

    Are you going to have a very expensive (to buy and operate) all F-35 fleet; or you could have a combination of a smaller F-35 fleet for high risk operations, plus a low cost supersonic fighter trainer for QRA, air policing, CAS in permisive airspace and of course LIFT? Isn't using F-35 for peacetime QRA and air policing also a misguided sense of national pride? Belgium is looking at getting like 34 F-35; is that the best solution or something like 18 F-35 plus 36 low cost supersonic fighter trainers (from the T-X competition, or the FA-50 maybe) be better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackArcher View Post
    sounds more or less like a Ukrainian variant of the mig-29 with Russian parts removed and replaced iwth domestic, maybe Chinese or western european guts.

    how much of the mig-29 did Ukraine produce before?

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    This project is doomed to fail.. even if Ukraine managed to miraculously finish this aircraft, finish the engine and introduce the infrastructure for series production, no one would buy it..

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    Israel explains Arrow intercept of Syrian SAM

    - Indeed the Arrow intercepted a Sa5 on a ballistic trajectory launched after a flight of F15I
    - The SAM self destruct device had probably failed
    - Arrow engaged the missile after it entered a ballistic trajectory identifying it as a threat
    - Ehud Barack, former Israeli Prime Minister and Defense Minister , launched the polemic about the use of a ballistic defense missile system on a simple SAM (but Sa5 missiles are huge)

    This post comes to supplement post 2860

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    Are the F-15 Eagle's days numbered? Top generals say maybe

    In a House Armed Services readiness subcommittee hearing on Wednesday, subcommittee chairman Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C., asked Lt. Gen. Scott Rice, director of the Air National Guard, about plans to retire its 236 F-15 C and D Eagle fighters as a cost-saving measure, and filling their role with F-16 Fighting Falcons. Rice confirmed that was under consideration.
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