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    ... the photo you have posted is of an Su-30M2

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    What Russia did to improve its C-SAR capabilities since 2008?
    IF Russia is willing to enter to conflict on the side of Bashar Al Assad with air support they will need it.
    The 2008 conflict with Georgia proved (at least to me) they had none.

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    The 2008 war showed up lots of things. Hence why there has been a big push since from everything I have read to improve across the board.
    I still don't think that photo has been taken in Syria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jungle Boy View Post
    What Russia did to improve its C-SAR capabilities since 2008?
    IF Russia is willing to enter to conflict on the side of Bashar Al Assad with air support they will need it.
    The 2008 conflict with Georgia proved (at least to me) they had none.
    you dont do Close airsupoort when you want to defeat in less than 3 days. CAS is for slow motion war.

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    Supposedly taken in Syria. Fuzzy picture looks like;

    1; A two seater.
    2; Has black antiglare around cockpit.

    = Su-30SM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSR View Post
    you dont do Close airsupoort when you want to defeat in less than 3 days. CAS is for slow motion war.
    But I don´t think Russia is sending Flanker do to CAS. I think they are going to use it to atack much more valuable targets such as non ISIS weapons depot wearing down the oposition to the syrian government or bomb ISIS supply lines along the border with Turkey with impunity. Turkey won´t dare to atack russian aircrafts fighting ISIS near its border as they do against syrian air force warplanes.

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    http://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-defe...art-1442589965

    Google the title if you dont see the full article.

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    The more interesting question now is that if RuAF does plan to carrier out airstrikes will there dragging their feet on purchases of new PGM come to hurt them now? Not to mention that the smallest PGM that Russia has on offer at the moment is the KAB-500 which is still a big bomb. American equivalent is the GBU-16 or GBU-48. Not good if you are going to be targeting IS in urban city and want to avoid the bad press of collateral damage.

    Anyone have any opinions on this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Berkut View Post


    Supposedly taken in Syria. Fuzzy picture looks like;

    1; A two seater.
    2; Has black antiglare around cockpit.

    = Su-30SM.
    Yeah I would agree with you. The Flanker in the bad quality photo looks like it has the vertical stabilisers of the Su-30M2 but it could just be the colour contrast that gives it that appearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSR View Post
    you dont do Close airsupoort when you want to defeat in less than 3 days. CAS is for slow motion war.
    C-SAR : Combat Search And Rescue.

    Russia has a lot of CAS anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flyboy77 View Post
    The more interesting question now is that if RuAF does plan to carrier out airstrikes will there dragging their feet on purchases of new PGM come to hurt them now? Not to mention that the smallest PGM that Russia has on offer at the moment is the KAB-500 which is still a big bomb. American equivalent is the GBU-16 or GBU-48. Not good if you are going to be targeting IS in urban city and want to avoid the bad press of collateral damage.

    Anyone have any opinions on this?
    There is many way to kill a cat.
    S-25L rocket,Ugroza conversion kit for standard ones (but also unguided one are quite precise), At-16, Kh-25,Kh-29, Kh-59.
    Russians have Jdam type bombs but they are definitely not their weapon of choice.
    Also because to exploit their full potential you need scores of drones and a very precise satellite signal, something they fulfilled just recently.
    In any case they can also habe the occasion to give a try of the new weapons presented at MAKS.
    Last edited by Marcellogo; 19th September 2015 at 20:04.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcellogo View Post
    C-SAR : Combat Search And Rescue.

    Russia has a lot of CAS anyway.
    C-SAR from air is done when not enough ground troops. It was defeat Georgian so fast on ground that C-SAR and CAS is moot point and its introduction will create confusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jungle Boy View Post
    But I don´t think Russia is sending Flanker do to CAS. I think they are going to use it to atack much more valuable targets such as non ISIS weapons depot wearing down the oposition to the syrian government or bomb ISIS supply lines along the border with Turkey with impunity. Turkey won´t dare to atack russian aircrafts fighting ISIS near its border as they do against syrian air force warplanes.
    Flanker is not suitable for this kind of role. Flanker only role is loitering to produce radar image and EW support. It need FAB-3000 and FAB-5000 from Tu-22M. it is too reshape the battlefield in such a way that some others lured into it. I think they need to install S-400 in Syria. that will cover aerspace well into Mediteranean/Irak/Turkey/Israel.
    it will be the most profitable adventure in Russia history.

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    http://mil-avia.livejournal.com/118065.html

    Russian Tu-154 with supposedly a MOD delegation has flown to Baghdad today.
    http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9098/rsz11rsz3807.jpg

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    How about the KAB-250 - has it been procured yet?

    It's not exactly tiny, but at least a "little" less destructive than a KAB-1500

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    Since when is dropping large bombs somehow a problem? This is the Soviets we are talking about. If there is a blade of grass NOT burnt or a building anywhere still standing they aren't living up to their fullest potential. The bigger the bomb the better.

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    4 Su-30SM on the tarmac

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR1 View Post
    http://mil-avia.livejournal.com/118065.html

    Russian Tu-154 with supposedly a MOD delegation has flown to Baghdad today.
    Interesting. How do you see this related to the build up in Syria?

    How about the KAB-250 - has it been procured yet?

    It's not exactly tiny, but at least a "little" less destructive than a KAB-1500
    I'm pretty sure it still being tested.

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    But seriously wow this is moving quickly.

    That flight to Baghdad is 100% related to what is going on. Iraq and Russia have been cultivating a defense relationship for the past several years and they won't be blocking airspace to Russian flights.
    http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9098/rsz11rsz3807.jpg

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    What's happening though? To my mind this appears to be very important but on the BBC for example, its not a priority.

    Are we saying that Russia is bombing ISIS soon, Russian planes are piloted by Syrian pilots or vice-versa, or Russian jets are positioned in defence of a Russian air bridge to Assad?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmalaya View Post
    What's happening though? To my mind this appears to be very important but on the BBC for example, its not a priority.
    In the media, the event doesn't create the news, but the news create the events.

    Nic

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    Yes I've seen Tomorrow Never Dies too! It is actually quite a good Bond film.

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    ISIS is not Russias problem they never threatned to invade or attack Russia , so whats the point attacking team , its like making enemies when there is none.
    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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    thats not a very clever foresight .. give the ISIS enought room and time, and they will be a major problem for Russia.
    Better deal With them now, keep them supressed, than ignore them and face a worse situation later on.
    Last edited by haavarla; 20th September 2015 at 11:38.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmalaya View Post
    Yes I've seen Tomorrow Never Dies too! It is actually quite a good Bond film.
    I haven't, what's with the movie?

    Nic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    ISIS is not Russias problem they never threatned to invade or attack Russia , so whats the point attacking team , its like making enemies when there is none.
    Are you kidding? Wahabbism was created by the CIA especially to destabilize the Russian islamic republics.

    Nic

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    Quote Originally Posted by dionis View Post
    How about the KAB-250 - has it been procured yet?

    It's not exactly tiny, but at least a "little" less destructive than a KAB-1500
    There is nothing to buy. It is first and foremost meant to T-50 (ie it is not integrated on existing Flankers) and it hasn't passed state trials.

    Quote Originally Posted by TR1 View Post


    But seriously wow this is moving quickly.

    That flight to Baghdad is 100% related to what is going on. Iraq and Russia have been cultivating a defense relationship for the past several years and they won't be blocking airspace to Russian flights.
    Updated version of the gif. :P



    Seriously tho; what IS happening? Is it just Russia giving a hug to Assad (**** that) or will they actively pound ISIS? (**** yeah) If the later, it would make more sense to send over Su-34's, as good as Su-30SM's are.

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    Well with the US & their puppets all over the place it's better to send platforms that aren't too sensitive.

    Thpse recently upgraded Su25 would be nice though.

    Nic

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    Russia hasen't had the chance to test(in a real teather) out New weapons and system on their jets since Georgia.

    There might be some larger stand-off weapons launch just to evaluate the effectivnes.
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolas10 View Post
    Well with the US & their puppets all over the place it's better to send platforms that aren't too sensitive.

    Thpse recently upgraded Su25 would be nice though.

    Nic
    nicholas10 if you genuinely believe that the CIA created Wahabism then you should stop posting for some time and do some homework.

    Then watch the Bond film and come back ( and you will see).

    Perhaps by then you won't feel so confident with your conspiracy theories ( every time with the conspiracy theories!)

    Meanwhile Austin, if IS spread northwards just a little, then Russia has an active problem again. Perhaps Assad is getting in the way now that he is not holding ISIS back so well.

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    You should stop watching TV & read books. Start with a few by Peter Dale Scott for instance.

    + that one http://www.amazon.com/The-Main-Enemy...B36ZR0ENYV2HKH

    Nic
    Last edited by Nicolas10; 20th September 2015 at 15:06.

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