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    Quote Originally Posted by Andraxxus View Post
    I check pro-ISIS accounts and websites on daily basis, more than once a day if I have free time. I personally watch every single ISIS video from its own original source... With such confidence, I dare you to find me a video of an M-60T hit from front arc (that is by definition +/-15degrees of hull and turret), and burst into flames. You can't, because I know such a video don't exist. You probably don't even know the current ISIS website and go the easy but degraded way of calling me biased and Turkish sources falsified.
    Since you are updated on IS accounts and websites, can you just find me the full video of that last attack on T-90 which destroyed it? If not, please ask those guys why they are not releasing the video of that strike on T-90.

    Btw, where do you think this T-62M, which was delivered by Russia recently, took the hit and survived?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Uth6JS86rs

    Compared to the visually uber upgrade i.e the M-60T, the T-62M is pretty modest by looks...
    http://militaryedge.org/wp-content/u...2463731951.jpg
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5h9GonVMAAy7UI.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by JangBoGo View Post
    Since you are updated on IS accounts and websites, can you just find me the full video of that last attack on T-90 which destroyed it? If not, please ask those guys why they are not releasing the video of that strike on T-90.

    Btw, where do you think this T-62M, which was delivered by Russia recently, took the hit and survived?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Uth6JS86rs

    Compared to the visually uber upgrade i.e the M-60T, the T-62M is pretty modest by looks...
    http://militaryedge.org/wp-content/u...2463731951.jpg
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5h9GonVMAAy7UI.jpg
    Again? Being hit or also penetrated doesn't means that a tank is lost at all: shot can end in a dead space and maybe only ruining crew's rucksacks or the tool box.
    Let's think about the difference for a Leo2 about being hit on the left or on the right side of turret...
    At the contrary a AT mine that break tracks and destroy suspensions or a PFHE round from an AAA gun that destroy optics can put a tank out of order even without penetrating anything.

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    Now this is interesting. There are news reports claiming that Israeli forces shot down a Syrian SAM fired at their aircraft with the Arrow-3 interceptor missile.

    http://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/1...ion-by-israels

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    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/view...ver-Syria.html
    Compulsions surrounding Russia and Israel over Syria
    Unfulfilled promises
    However, we know that promises in such uncertain times cannot be reliable, and often do not get fulfilled. Moscow has promised to reduce the presence of Iran and its allies later on, but the realization of such a promise requires explicit international guarantee
    my opinion is Israel has taken money for ousting Iran from syria and Russia has share in it so all this song and dance as these articles keep proping up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ijozic View Post
    Now this is interesting. There are news reports claiming that Israeli forces shot down a Syrian SAM fired at their aircraft with the Arrow-3 interceptor missile.

    http://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/1...ion-by-israels
    Well you know what they say.. show me the body/wreckages
    Last edited by haavarla; 17th March 2017 at 23:48.
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    Interesting article about Su-25 performances in Syria.
    http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2495624....120#t259786120

    Advice:
    Download Yandex browser and you would get the option to have it automatically translated into English or your own language of choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ijozic View Post
    Now this is interesting. There are news reports claiming that Israeli forces shot down a Syrian SAM fired at their aircraft with the Arrow-3 interceptor missile.

    http://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/1...ion-by-israels

    Dunno what to make out of it.
    Neighter US media nor RT news want to give this strike much air time. Somewhat hush hush about this..

    I'm pretty sure Russia was informed of this attack in advanced and that they had worked out ROE together with Israeli.

    One of the youtube vids show what could bits and peices of an S-200 missile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haavarla View Post
    Dunno what to make out of it.
    Neighter US media nor RT news want to give this strike much air time. Somewhat hush hush about this..

    I'm pretty sure Russia was informed of this attack in advanced and that they had worked out ROE together with Israeli.

    One of the youtube vids show what could bits and peices of an S-200 missile.
    Yes. It was all hugs recently when Netanyahu met with Putin in Moscow. During Moscow Visit, Netanyahu Received Special Gift From Putin — a Nearly 500-Year-Old Copy of Josephus’ The Jewish War.


    https://www.facebook.com/pg/Netanyahu/videos/

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    su-25 and these taking largest share of trror fight.


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    Quote Originally Posted by haavarla View Post
    Dunno what to make out of it.
    Neighter US media nor RT news want to give this strike much air time. Somewhat hush hush about this..
    It has been reported by Fox, BBC, NYT, Jerusalem Post among others, and has been officially confirmed by Israel.

    I'm pretty sure Russia was informed of this attack in advanced and that they had worked out ROE together with Israeli.
    Did those ROE's involve the Syrians launching missiles at their aircraft?
    Last edited by bring_it_on; 19th March 2017 at 16:56.
    Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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    Quote Originally Posted by bring_it_on View Post
    It has been reported by Fox, BBC, NYT, Jerusalem Post among others, and has been officially confirmed by Israel.

    Did those ROE's involve the Syrians launching missiles at their aircraft?
    Yes there is some new coverage by now. Took them sweet time though..

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/19/mi...man/index.html

    No, it did not include Syria own forces.. obviously.

    I'm not sure how well Assad respond to Russian advice(or pressure).
    But it is surly not in Russia's best Interest to have Syria fall into a Hezbolla safe heavan with or without Iran's support.

    Cause that would surly make Syria even more unstable and create more trouble for Russia's own Interest in the region.

    As said, both Russia and Israel has common Interest. Russia are importing and even producing Israeli drones on liecens.
    Israel, do not want to make Russia an enemy(they have enough enemies) and they need to make money by export.
    So it goes both ways.

    Russia is playing this smart.
    Last edited by haavarla; 19th March 2017 at 18:14.
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    Russia can buy more advanced UCAV from china if there is need for it. Most of stuff that Israel produce China also produce in much greater quantity and performance.
    the trade ties have been declining with israel. they dont produce stuff that of interest to Russia.

    http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?id=712958

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    Yes there is some new coverage by now. Took them sweet time though..

    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/19/mi...man/index.html
    There were plenty of sources dating back to Friday, March 17 including CNN, BBC and Fox. Moreover the Israelis themselves released a statement on Friday confirming the raid and the Arrow missile incident that followed.

    I'm not sure how well Assad respond to Russian advice(or pressure).
    If this continues I am sure the IDF will take appropriate action against Assad's ability to launch missiles at their aircraft.
    Last edited by bring_it_on; 19th March 2017 at 19:07.
    Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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    Quote Originally Posted by bring_it_on View Post
    If this continuous I am sure the IDF will take appropriate action against Assad's ability to launch missiles at their aircraft.
    On Intel of things. Its 10000% certain that US is aiding Israel on targets inside Syria.
    How the hell else would Israel know exactly where to launch those bombs/Rockets without even the slightest possibility of hitting Russian forces.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDSY0zxG7QE&t=186s

    So in that respect, the US official comment; - this is an Israeli led operation and has nothing to do with us.

    Yeah right.

    And that Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman, should do the world a favor and shut it. He is not helping.

    Israel is intruding a sovereign Nation Airspace and launching weapons there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bring_it_on View Post
    There were plenty of sources dating back to Friday, March 17 including CNN, BBC and Fox. Moreover the Israelis themselves released a statement on Friday confirming the raid and the Arrow missile incident that followed.
    It was even on Keypub that same day

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    Quote Originally Posted by haavarla View Post

    Israel is intruding a sovereign Nation Airspace and launching weapons there.
    Thus it's legal for Syrian to shoot.

    but well.. i believe some people will say otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haavarla View Post
    On Intel of things. Its 10000% certain that US is aiding Israel on targets inside Syria.
    How the hell else would Israel know exactly where to launch those bombs/Rockets without even the slightest possibility of hitting Russian forces.
    That's not necessarily true as there's really no reason the Israelis would need US intelligence on Hezbollah (it's probably the other way around) or Syria for that matter.

    Earlier you mentioned Israel making drones for Russia, but at the same time you're wondering how they gain intelligence? Not to mention the long history of Israeli intelligence gathering in the region by various means. For instance, they struck Hezbollah targets in Syria many times before during this war, way before the US/Coalition got actively involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ijozic View Post
    That's not necessarily true as there's really no reason the Israelis would need US intelligence on Hezbollah (it's probably the other way around) or Syria for that matter.

    Earlier you mentioned Israel making drones for Russia, but at the same time you're wondering how they gain intelligence? Not to mention the long history of Israeli intelligence gathering in the region by various means. For instance, they struck Hezbollah targets in Syria many times before during this war, way before the US/Coalition got actively involved.
    Well lets think about this. Syria is a large country. At least compare to Israel.
    There has been several reports about UAV being shot down over Syria. And you can't really have Drones from Israel and US flying unrestricted all over Syria. That would be potensial bad for anyone whom operate transport, Cargo or any other flight in Syria.
    We do know there are some strange marking on the Su-35S that was operating earlier in Syria.
    Pretty sure both Russia and Syria would engage UAV's that is not one of their own if they have the chance.

    As of now. there is US present around Raqqah/Palmyra(whole Northern Syria with the Kurds). So natural, US would have some form of UAV coverage there.
    And now we see the Israeli do strike around Palmyra. Coincident, i don't think so. Besides, there are other Intel as real boots on the ground. How many arabic would work for Israel as in spying for them in Syria? Not a whole lot many.

    So my money is on US aiding Israel with Intel.
    They share intel yes. It goes both ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stealthflanker View Post
    Thus it's legal for Syrian to shoot.

    but well.. i believe some people will say otherwise.
    Israel and Syria is at war.
    Still it seems to be surprising to some people that acts of war occur.

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    Russia military is now present in all kurdish areas this despite Turkey threats. both Arabs and West no longer trust Turkey as it has made loud claims .
    my forecast is Israel will be cut down to its size just like turkey. Its only escape route is China and Russia can block routes to China.

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    things going to heat up.
    We will judge by deeds and not by statements in order to figure out if our Israeli counterparts abide by these agreements," the Russian top diplomat said.

    More:
    http://tass.com/politics/936846
    Egypt is now better position to squeeze others due to Russian military cooperation.
    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/...s/3609018.html
    Saudi Aramco resumes Egypt oil deliveries

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    A daring assault by US and SDF forces across Lake Assad near Tabqa. Supposedly they might have secured the damn as well.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...e-attack-isil/

    http://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/2...aptured-tabqqa

    At the same time, there's a renewed rebel offensive towards Hama. The regime positions collapsed so apparently they are withdrawing the Tigers brigade from the East Aleppo front to try to stabilize the situation there.

    http://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/2...-tell-alsheyha

    The rebels almost reached the city of Hama. If they manage to capture it and connect with the Homs front, Aleppo would be cut off. Their groups from the Homs pocket already cut the main supply road towards Hama. Putin can't catch a break with withdrawals it seems.
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    There have been videos of lots of RuAF aircraft carrying out rocket attacks past few days, some firsts too- Su-30SM and Su-35.



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    Also Su-25's..

    http://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2017/2...orthern-hama--

    There's also an image of a rebel-captured T-90A being put to use in this offensive.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7rAb3bVQAEuyCg.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR1 View Post
    There have been videos of lots of RuAF aircraft carrying out rocket attacks past few days, some firsts too- Su-30SM and Su-35.
    Now what could possibly be the point of that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ink View Post
    Now what could possibly be the point of that?
    Hama is an Strategical town, intersection of several main Roads in Syria.
    Better not loose it to rebels..

    Edit:
    Some Interesting coverage. Russia has an forward firebase at Palmyra Airbase for Helios.
    They even have Pantsir-S1 stationed there.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D0a9jktKsI
    Last edited by haavarla; 24th March 2017 at 18:15.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ink View Post
    Now what could possibly be the point of that?
    For the same reason the U.S. uses some of its men and equipment.
    Real world tests and training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ink View Post
    Now what could possibly be the point of that?
    Using rockets? Cheap, fairly accurate, good for anti-infantry work. In that scenario (advancing light infantry) probably better than lobbing a few unguided bombs.

    Probably an overkill that a Su-25 could do, but there are not many Su-25s in theater, and I guess Flankers have the advantage of loitering in the area for targets for a much longer period than the short legged Grach.
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    Didn't French few years ago add rocket pods to Rafale's arsenal? At least it was seriously considered at some point, based on effective rocket attacks made by older French fighters.

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