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Thread: Russia moving tac air troops to Syria

  1. #6571
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    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

  2. #6572
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    Brett McGurk says Turkey has intentionally fired on US forces assisting the YPG in Afrin, Syria on numerous occasions:

    Russia and Turkey say Syrian war will die out soon:
    Last edited by Bayar; 4th July 2017 at 08:17.

  3. #6573
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    Strike of Tu-95MS using Kh-101 cruise missiles


    .. and impact

  4. #6574
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    Whats with the first Kh-101 cruise missile..?
    It just seems to drop off the grid, while the next clearly take flight.
    Perhaps they was pre planned with different Altitude flight..
    Last edited by haavarla; 6th July 2017 at 06:51.

  5. #6575
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    The 2nd hit was top attack , the 1st and 3rd were side ways , Quite remarkable accuracy
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  6. #6576
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    found this news

    Russia Unlikely to Counter New US Missile Strikes in Syria - Senior Lawmaker
    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

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    ‘Most advanced & highly reliable’: Putin commends designers of Kh-101 strategic cruise missile

    President Vladimir Putin has praised the reliability of Russian weaponry, while applauding the developers of the Kh-101 strategic air-to-surface cruise missile which has proven its effectiveness against terrorists in Syria.

    “I would like to thank both the military personnel and the designers and developers of one of our latest missile systems, Kh-101,” Putin said
    at a Meeting of the Commission for Military Technical Cooperation with Foreign State

    “This missile system has proved highly reliable. It is indeed the most advanced weapon with high precision and capacity, and a range of 4,500 km, which is quite good,” he added, urging defense companies to step up production of modern weapons.

    The Kh-101 missile, created by Raduga (Rainbow) Design Bureau, was first battle-tested in Syria in 2015, but the Russian military once again demonstrated its effectiveness on Wednesday, when Tu-95MS strategic bombers fired the missiles on Islamic State targets in Hama and Homs provinces.

    Noting the potency of the new missiles with stealth radar-evading features, the Russian Defense Ministry said Wednesday’s precision strikes were carried out “from a distance of about 1,000 kilometers.”
    "A map does you no good if you don't know where you are"

  8. #6578
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    Disturbing coverage of SAA fighting around Damascus region:

    Now where is the damn Air support!?

  9. #6579
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    ^^ Hope you were kidding when you asked about airpower. If you remember, what the Russian guys in charge of mission in Syria did few months before the start of this latest offensive was a public statement that Russian forces/aircraft are being reduced citing reduced fighting on the fronts. Seriously!

    That same combat footage from the other side (not Jihadis). Russian news crew were on site and like similar cases earlier, these guys have on most occasion doubled up as medical teams to give first aid to the injured soldiers.

    Another of those fighting in the urban areas. I don't kow why they are still being tasked with fighting in these hell. Better to clear the area with FOAB or use those KAB-1500 liberally.. too many guys are pinned down in this area and too many causalities.

    With a handful of jets and gunships the Russian contingent is highly inadequate, even those who don't want to admit it publicly knows that. With these deployments we are seeing the limits of Russian forces based on their current inventory. What the Syrian military needed most was air power to protect its ground forces from external elements (one of the main reasons why the Syrian forces lost so much ground over the years) and bulldoze over fortified positions so as to minimise own causalities. But the combat air support looks inadequate and these guys are still having to do hardcore close and urban combat taking its toll.

    Just last month, the Tiger Forces lost 17 of its men in a single day including a commander during one of its offensive in East Aleppo around Raqqa province. Being the elite unit of the SAA, they have been on their own with little to no support from any VKS gunship. The thinking of the big guys seems like this since they are performing well, let them continue as it is, rather than aiding them with good airsupport (read gunships/Su-25) to make their task easier and advance much faster.

  10. #6580
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    The Syrian forces have re-started their offensive towards Deir-Ez-Zor and progressing along the highway.

    Jihadi coalition is likely to interfere and will try grabbing land before the Tiger forces and other Syrian army units reach the outskirts of Deir-Ez-Zor seige. In the map below, we can see the narrowest point along the Euphrates through which the Jihadi coilation is likely to cross over to the western side and bloick the Syrian army. Lets see if the VKS gets the balls to strike any units trying to cross the Euphrates. Thats what the jihadi coalition did around Al Tanaf when the Syrian and allied forces tried to advance.

  11. #6581
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    Muh VKS doesn't target ISIS

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    This map seems not to be very accurate or actual.

  13. #6583
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    Few VKS strikes today near Sukhana, the last major defensive hub of the Jihadis on the way to Deir Ez Zor....

    Another failed offensive and loss of precious men. When will the guys ever realise the need for more gunships? A high flying fighter striking every half an hour is not going to cut it in a fast moving battle field. Jihadi tactics as usual - blast their way with a large suicide bombing and follow it with massive attack. Not posting the videos or the pictures of the Jihadis expending their ammo on retreating men and the butchering. All those Jihadi pickups that were hunting the fleeing men could have been blasted away with gunships or on-station armed UAV.

    Another thing to note is that radical Jihadis (and the moderate Jihadis) always get good intelligence on Syrian army positions and advances.

    Syrian Army suffers heavy casualties in failed offensive near Deir Ezzor border

    BEIRUT, LEBANON (12:30 P.M.) – The Syrian Arab Army (SAA) launched a big assault in the eastern countryside of Homs, Sunday, targeting the Islamic State’s (ISIL) positions in the Hamimah area, which is located west of the strategic T-2 Pumping Station.

    Backed by Russian airstrikes, the Syrian Arab Army’s 5th Corps and 18th Tank Division managed to capture several points from the ISIL terrorists during the morning hours on Sunday.

    However, the Syrian Army’s assault would take a turn for the worse once Islamic State reinforcements arrived to help drive back the government forces around Hamimah.

    According to a military source, the Syrian Arab Army lost a dozen soldiers in the counter-attack, while another 28 were wounded and/or captured by the Islamic State terrorists.

    In addition to the casualty toll, the Syrian Arab Army also lost a surveillance drone and a tank during the assault on Sunday.

    ISIL’s propaganda wing has begun publishing photos showing captured soldiers being beheaded by Islamic State terrorists after the battle.

    It has been two weeks since the Syrian Army has reached the Hamimah area in eastern Homs and since that time, they have been unable to hold any ground captured from ISIL here.

  14. #6584
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    An up date of the advances of the Syrian forces. Russia need to provide stronger airsupport to this area so that the forces are able to move faster. Hope atleast now the experts realise how much important Tabqa airbase was for an advance on Deir Ez Zor...
    The Jihadi coalition and their democratic coalition is running along the Euphrates to grab as much as they can and reach oil rich Deir Ez Zor before the Syrian forces and block their route.

  15. #6585
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    Turkey releases details of secret US bases in Northern Syria to the public together with their satellite imagery and HUMINT data on number of soldiers stationed there and equipment inventory list.

    Turkey Leaks Secret Locations of U.S. Troops in Syria
    Ankara has long been angered by the alliance between Washington and Kurdish factions. But a new report exposing secret American bases is a dangerous way to strike back.

    07.19.17 1:00 AM ET

    ISTANBUL—In the latest display of Turkish anger at U.S. policy in Syria, the state news agency has divulged the locations of 10 U.S. military bases and outposts in northern Syria where the U.S. is leading an operation to destroy the so-called Islamic State in its self-styled capital of Raqqa.

    The list published by the Anadolu news agency points to a U.S. presence from one end to the other of the Kurdish self-administration region—a distance of more than 200 miles. The Anadolu news agency even listed the number of U.S. troops in several locations and in two instances stipulated the presence of French special forces.
    Turkey has openly criticized the Trump administration—and the Obama administration before it—for relying in the battle against ISIS on a militia led by Kurds affiliated with the Kurdistan Workers Party or PKK. A separatist movement now at war with Turkey, the PKK has been listed by the U.S., EU, and Turkey as a terror organization.
    To avoid the appearance of allying with such a group, the U.S. military set up the Syrian Democratic Forces, which have a large component of Arab recruits. But they are led by officers from the People’s Protection Units (YPG), the Syrian affiliate of the PKK.

    Although Turkey’s powerful president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, regularly vents his anger at the U.S., it is still highly unusual for a NATO ally to reveal details of a U.S. military deployment during active operations in a war zone. But the U.S. operation in Syria is in many respects an unusual case. Not only is the United States acting against the express wishes of NATO ally Turkey, which says its national security is directly endangered, it’s also operating without the permission of the Assad regime.
    After a meeting Monday evening, Turkey’s National Security Council charged that weapons provided to the Syrian Kurdish YPG militia had come into the possession of the PKK. “This shows that both are the same organization,” it said, adding that other countries were using a “double standard” for terror groups, an apparent reference to the U.S. alliance with the YPG militia.

    The U.S. has denied repeatedly that arms it is supplying to the Kurdish fighters have seeped into the PKK war against the Turkish state, and the Turkish government did not back up its allegations with evidence.

    Two U.S. bases in Syria—in Rmeilan, in northern Hasaka province, and Kharab Ishq, near Kobani in Aleppo province—already were well-known before Anadolu published them. Anadolu said Rmeilan, in Syria’s oil-producing district, was set up in November 2016, and is big enough to handle transport aircraft, while the base south of Kobani, set up in March 2016, is used only by military helicopters.

    The eight outposts, often hidden behind signs warning of a “prohibited area,” are being used both for active military operations, such as shelling into the city of Raqqa, and for desk jobs such as training and operational planning, the report said.

    It claimed bases used for military operations house artillery batteries with high maneuverability, multi-barrel rocket launchers, various mobile equipment for intelligence, and armored vehicles for general patrols and security.

    In Hasaka province, the U.S. has three outposts, all used to train Kurdish militia members, according to Turkish security officials. Anadolu even gave the number of U.S. Special Forces troops it believed were stationed at two of the three outposts.

    There are three U.S. military outposts in Syria’s Raqqa province, Anadolu said. French special forces troops are stationed at two of them. It said one of the locations serves as a communication center for the International Coalition fighting ISIS and is also used to disrupt ISIS communications.

    In Manbij, which the Kurdish YPG militia captured last August, the U.S. now has two outposts. The U.S. sends out patrols, the agency noted acerbically, to protect the Kurdish People’s Protection Unit (YPG) forces from Syrian rebels operating out of the Turkish controlled part of Syria known as the Jarablus pocket.

    Turkish security officials confirmed the accuracy of the Anadolu list to The Daily Beast.

    The publication is certain to spark ire in the U.S. military, which is leading the operation against ISIS.

    Spokesmen for Operation Inherent Resolve, the U.S.-led coalition fighting ISIS, and for the U.S. Central Command in Tampa, Florida, asked The Daily Beast not to publish the detailed information reported by Anadolu.

    “The discussion of specific troop numbers and locations would provide sensitive tactical information to the enemy which could endanger Coalition and partner forces,” wrote Col. Joe Scrocca, coalition director of public affairs.

    “Publishing this type of information would be professionally irresponsible and we respectively [sic] request that you refrain from disseminating any information that would put Coalition lives in jeopardy.”

    Col. John Thomas, spokesman at the Central Command, also asked The Daily Beast to refrain from publishing details of coalition operations, on the grounds it would be “potentially harmful to the lives of those involved.”

    In fact, Anadolu had already published the information Monday on its Turkish language service and then issued it on its English language services Tuesday. In addition, some of the locations on the Anadolu list were already known in public. The Iranian Tasnim news agency, for example, last November published the names of two bases and two outposts, and the Jusour Center, a Syrian think tank, published the locations of two additional outposts in April.

    —with additional reporting by special correspondent Duygu Guvenc from Ankara.
    One of the Anadolu Agency reports is below:

    US increases military posts supporting PKK/PYD in Syria

    US increased number of military posts in PKK/PYD-held territories in Syria to ten
    By Levent Tok, Mohamad Misto and Selen Temizer


    The U.S. has increased the number of military posts in the terrorist PKK/PYD-held Syrian territories to ten.

    According to Anadolu Agency reporters, a U.S. military point has recently been established in PKK/PYD-held areas in northern Syria.

    Washington had set up two airbases in PKK/PYD-held Rmeilan district in the northeast of Al-Hasakah province in October 2015 and Harab Isk village in southern Kobani in March 2016.

    While the Rmeilan airbase is large enough for cargo planes to land, Harab Isk base is only used by military helicopters.

    While a part of the U.S. military aid to PKK/PYD goes through Iraqi border by land, the other part is shipped to the region through the Rmeilan airbase.

    These “field-type” military points are usually hidden for security reasons, making it hard to be detected, according to Anadolu Agency reporters.

    Apart from the military points, the U.S. also uses some other places which are hard to be detected like residential areas, PKK/PYD camps, easily transformed factories as operational points.

    The U.S. forces keep the construction of operational points hidden by declaring some areas as "prohibited area" in northern Syria, the reporters say.

    There are contact officers for airstrikes and artillery shelling, military consultants, training officers, operational planning officers and military units to engage in active conflicts in eight military points.

    The equipment in the military points includes artillery batteries with high maneuverability, multi-barrel rocket launchers, various mobile equipment for intelligence and armored vehicles such as "Stryker" for general patrols and security.

    Military points in Al-Hasakah

    There are also three military points in Al-Hasakah, the latest of which was established in the northern district Tal Baydar.

    According to the reporters, 100 U.S. Special Forces soldiers have been deployed to Tal Baydar within the scope of the fight against the Daesh terrorist group.

    There are also foreign soldiers from the U.S.-led coalition stationed in the old farm district of Tal Tamir, which is located south of Resulayn near the Syrian-Turkish border.

    There are also 150 U.S. Special Forces units in Ash Shaddadi district, south of Al-Hasakah, with a view to backing PKK/PYD during anti-Daesh operations.

    Military points in Manbij

    The U.S. has established two operational posts in Manbij in 2016 when PKK/PYD captured the district.

    One of these posts is located in Ayn Dadad town in the district, which can be used by U.S. Special Forces for patrols against the Free Syrian Army (FSA) units rescued during the Turkish Euphrates Shield Operation.

    The other military unit is located in Usariye town, west of Ayn Dadad with the purpose of protecting PKK/PYD units against FSA.

    Military points in Raqqah

    There are also three military posts in the northern province of Raqqah.

    Along with U.S. special forces units, French special forces are stationed in a military post located in Mistanur hill, south of Kobani.

    Around 200 U.S. soldiers and 75 French special forces units are also stationed in the PKK/PYD base in Ayn Issah town in northern Raqqah.

    A military post in the town of Sirrin in Kobani is also used for airbornes. PKK/PYD is supplied with military equipment and ammunition through this post.

    This post also serves as a communication center of the anti-Daesh coalition and used for disrupting Daesh communications.

    PYD, the Syria offshoot of the terrorist organization PKK, is in control of Al-Hasakah in the east, northern Raqqah, Manbij, to the east of Aleppo, Afrin and Tal Rifaat districts.

    Recognized by the U.S. as an ally in the fight against Daesh, PKK/PYD militants run under the name of the Syria Democratic Forces (SDF) in the war-torn country.

    Despite the fact that the militants were given SDF uniforms, some of them wear uniforms with banners of Abdullah Ocalan, jailed head of PKK terrorist organization in Turkey.
    Last edited by Bayar; 19th July 2017 at 06:32.

  16. #6586
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    Looks like Washington isn't happy. It seems as though the US-Turkey alliance is dead.

    Turkey reveals secret US military locations in Syria
    By Ellen Mitchell - 07/19/17 06:50 PM EDT

    Turkey's state-run news agency on Wednesday leaked the positions of 10 U.S. military posts in northern Syria, drawing swift criticism from the Pentagon.

    Anadolu Agency published a map of 10 locations it said were U.S. military posts. The agency said the points are “usually hidden for security reasons,” but then listed the bases, including two airfields and eight military outposts.

    The report also lists the specific districts where the U.S. military is stationed. In one case, Anadolu revealed the number of U.S. soldiers and French special forces stationed at a post in Ayn Issah.

    The locations are all in an area controlled by Syrian Kurdish forces known as the Kurdish Democratic Party (PYD) and the People's Protection Units (YPG). The U.S. supports the groups as they help combat the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), but Turkey considers YPG as terrorists.

    Pentagon spokesman Maj. Adrian Rankine-Galloway told The Hill that the Defense Department doesn't disclose the locations where U.S.-led coalition forces are in Syria are “for operational security reasons.”


    “The release of sensitive military information exposes Coalition forces to unnecessary risk and has the potential to disrupt ongoing operations to defeat ISIS,” Rankine-Galloway said.

    He added that Pentagon officials have expressed their concerns to the Turkish government.

    “While we cannot independently verify the sources that contributed to this story, we would be very concerned if officials from a NATO ally would purposefully endanger our forces by releasing sensitive information,” Rankine-Galloway said.

    The United States and Turkey have had a rocky relationship in recent months.

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan in May strongly criticized President Trump’s decision to arm Syrian Kurds in the fight against ISIS.

    “We want to believe that our allies would prefer [to] be side by side with ourselves rather than with the terror groups,” Erdoğan said.

    And after the May attacks on protesters outside the Turkish ambassador’s residence in Washington, several lawmakers earlier this month proposed withholding military equipment and visas from the NATO ally in an attempt to force its government to comply with U.S. law.
    Last edited by Bayar; 20th July 2017 at 03:02.

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