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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post

    Trump Considering Sanctions Against Russia, Iran for Supporting Syria


    https://sputniknews.com/world/201704...a-trump-haley/
    This has nothing to do with humanitarianism as I hope people here know. Someone has just convinced Trump that Obama made Russia too strong and anything to weaken Russia must be done to repair the damage. When in reality, Obama had nothing to do with it. And if it wasn't for Obama's restraint, the US could already be disgraced and bogged down and losing big in another war.

    Plus I think China wants the US to put boots on the ground. That would tie the US military and associated think tanks down
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomcatViP View Post
    Gased babies chocking to death is not "increadibly stupid" enough for you?! C'mon Sintra watch what you're writting.
    The only thing incredibly stupid here is the idea that this is some humanitarian mission. The US is supporting the starvation of Yemen right now. I'll let you Google that one. Its a hell of a lot worse than this.

    BTW the UN has not even taken a side on what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSR View Post
    Russia observe US satellites and planes when they are focus it mean some thing planned.
    And from that You can determine where they are going to strike?
    You do not even know that they will strike an airfield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by APRichelieu View Post
    And from that You can determine where they are going to strike?
    You do not even know that they will strike an airfield.
    they were capable of tracking airdefnece missile tests in 2014. they would surely seen that launch of salvo of missiles and plus they got notified also. that enough to shuffle the airfield. and with poor reliability no need of confronting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolieno99 View Post
    This Middle East conflict is turning into another Vietnam War, with Israel as being South Vietnam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JSR View Post
    they were capable of tracking airdefnece missile tests in 2014. they would surely seen that launch of salvo of missiles and plus they got notified also. that enough to shuffle the airfield. and with poor reliability no need of confronting it.
    You can't track a missile before it is fired.
    Russia was warned BEFORE the missiles were fired.
    No planes left the airport after the warning according to US claims.

    You have not answered how the Syrians could know which target before the warning.
    Since surveillance photos shows more than 23hits (way more) the unreliability fake news is debunked.

    My theory is that the SAM crews were sleeping after vodka evening

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSphere View Post
    This image reveals the actual flight path of the Tomahawks. The circles represent the maximum engagement range of the installed air defense systems against cruise missiles..

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    So much for this then huh?

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    According to open sources, the S-400 is capable of shooting down any existing aircraft, helicopter or missile traveling at speeds of up to 4.8 kilometer per second (over 17,000 km/h) The only target the system would have problems with is a nuclear warhead of intercontinental ballistic missile, which flies at speeds of up to 6-7 kilometer per second.

    The S-400 engages targets at distances as far as 400 kilometers and heights of up to 27 kilometers (or higher with newer missiles). This is enough to cover at least 75 percent of Syrian territory, along with the airspaces of Lebanon, Cyprus, half of Israel and a vast part of Turkey.

    The S-400’s radar has a range of 600 kilometers and is capable of discriminating even objects moving on the ground, such as cars and military vehicles.

    S-400 radar covers Syria, western regions of Iraq and Saudi Arabia, nearly all of Israel and Jordan, Egypt’s northern Sinai, a large part of the eastern Mediterranean and Turkish airspace as far as the capital Ankara.

    https://www.rt.com/news/323815-syria...us-airstrikes/

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopsalot View Post
    So much for this then huh?
    Errrrr.. how to react on this.. .... are you familiar with the concept of round Earth?

    An engagement radar in Al Ladhiqiyah (elevation 36ft) has horizon distance of 7.3 miles.. if we assume the Tomahawk flying at 300ft (~90m), the radar can spot it at a target distance of mere 28.5 miles, no matter how powerful it is.. S-300, S-400 or Pantsir plays no difference.. and I am not even considering the An Nusayrlyah coastal mountain range with average peak elevation of over 1,200 m as a natural terrain barrier.

    https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve...&unit=imperial

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSphere View Post
    Errrrr.. how to react on this.. .... are you familiar with the concept of round Earth?

    An engagement radar in Al Ladhiqiyah (elevation 36ft) has horizon distance of 7.3 miles.. if we assume the Tomahawk flying at 300ft (~90m), the radar can spot it at a target distance of mere 28.5 miles, no matter how powerful it is.. S-300, S-400 or Pantsir plays no difference.. and I am not even considering the An Nusayrlyah coastal mountain range with average peak elevation of over 1,200 m as a natural terrain barrier.

    https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve...&unit=imperial

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopsalot View Post
    A senseless claim to stay polite. To get that coverage the target has to be big, flying in the stratosphere atmosphere, do not maneuver and approaching the SAM-site.

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    What is funny is that the Syrian government & Bashar El Assad are fighting the very guys that every bloody politician in any western country would say is our worst enemy, and yet we bomb Syria.

    What a bunch of hypocrites.

    I must say that I don't consider half of the posters here to be even remotely decent at all judging from your posts. Many here are just a bunch of hypocrite a...... . And I rarely had an opinion that was closer to being a fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phaid View Post
    Don't the Russians have S400s there? If they knew about the strike with an hour's warning, why didn't they just knock down the missiles?
    The S400 missiles are probably more expensive that whatever they destroyed. The Tomahawks too I guess.

    Nic

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomcatViP View Post
    Gased babies chocking to death is not "increadibly stupid" enough for you?! C'mon Sintra watch what you're writting.
    Do you still believe that the Iraqi soldiers pulled all those babies from incubators and slaughtered them?

    Just asking for a friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolas10 View Post
    What is funny is that the Syrian government & Bashar El Assad are fighting the very guys that every bloody politician in any western country would say is our worst enemy, and yet we bomb Syria.

    What a bunch of hypocrites.

    I must say that I don't consider half of the posters here to be even remotely decent at all judging from your posts. Many here are just a bunch of hypocrite a...... . And I rarely had an opinion that was closer to being a fact.

    Nic
    What is funny is that Trump calls the Syrian Government & Assad a disgrace and yet Trump is bombing ISIS, their worst enemy. The USAF is but an extension of the Syrian Air Force.

    The Hypocricy is monumental.

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    Eric Trump says 'heartbroken and outraged' Ivanka influenced U.S. airstrike on Syria
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.3043330

    Here I was, believing that there was a grand new strategy at play...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loke View Post
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.3043330

    Here I was, believing that there was a grand new strategy at play...

    There is no grand strategy when it comes to this administration.
    It will of course be interesting to see if Ivanka has the same concern for the children killed by American bombs in say...Yemen, or Israel, but somehow I suspect she will be busy doing other important things then.

    Anyways:

    https://lenta.ru/news/2017/04/11/two/

    Two Russian military instructors passed away after being subject to mortar attack on the frontlines. RIP.
    http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9098/rsz11rsz3807.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by APRichelieu View Post
    What is funny is that Trump calls the Syrian Government & Assad a disgrace and yet Trump is bombing ISIS, their worst enemy. The USAF is but an extension of the Syrian Air Force.

    The Hypocricy is monumental.
    Yes bombing Isis is appreciated but just imagine if Russia supported Kurds from begining and not after Erdogan threaten them. There is no need for international coalition. Syrian Kurds understand Trump chicken out in front of Erdogan and only Russian intervention stop Turkey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loke View Post
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.3043330

    Here I was, believing that there was a grand new strategy at play...
    Well the gold and oil prices going up and real estate may burst and than Trump can buy the real estate cheap. That how Arabs bought European real estate in previous busts and create a rentier economies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSR View Post
    Yes bombing Isis is appreciated but just imagine if Russia supported Kurds from begining and not after Erdogan threaten them. There is no need for international coalition. Syrian Kurds understand Trump chicken out in front of Erdogan and only Russian intervention stop Turkey.
    The US and Turkey have a shared opinion on Assad.
    They differ regarding Kurds, but noone is chickening out.

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    Interesting footage, claimed VKS strike, have not seen this exact type of UAV icon functionality before:

    http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9098/rsz11rsz3807.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by APRichelieu View Post
    The US and Turkey have a shared opinion on Assad.
    They differ regarding Kurds, but noone is chickening out.

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    You are not pay attention to Kurdish news . After Syrian planes bomb Turkish troops on November 25 2016. Erdogan full stop when Russia say stop. He was coming after Kurds. Turkey was invited to Syria by Russia to show Kurds that only Russia is reliable partner. That show of military strength change behaviour of Iraqi Kurds as before that Russia was flying cruise missile up the Erbil airspace and Iraqi aircontrol will stop civilian flights there. That was Iraqi way of pressuring Irbil.

    Russian Rosneft to receive its first Kurdish oil this week, official - See more at: http://www.rudaw.net/mobile/english/....h1LIZhat.dpuf

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR1 View Post
    Interesting footage, claimed VKS strike, have not seen this exact type of UAV icon functionality before:
    Look like Forpost/Searcher MK2 for me. Pretty sure, it's VKS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scar View Post
    Look like Forpost/Searcher MK2 for me. Pretty sure, it's VKS.
    He's referring to the size increases/decreases of the "search box" seen on screen. It's similar to what I've seen from footage of Su-25T/Ka-50/52Mi-28N and some other opto-electronic systems with auto-tracking functions.

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    Yes, that is what I was referring to.
    http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9098/rsz11rsz3807.jpg

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    Ah, it's just an autotracking frame. For some reason, they're rarely using it(i mean - autotracking).

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    The General Staff of the Russian Federation: the territory of the opposition in Syria has two facilities for the production of chemical weapons

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    Head of the Main Operational Directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, Colonel-General Sergei Rudskoy.

    "Of the 12 facilities that were used for storage and production of chemical weapons, the OPCW experts (Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons - approx Tass.) Confirmed the destruction of 10 to the remaining two objects Syrian authorities do not have access, because they are on the territory controlled by the so-called opposition . For this reason, the OPCW can not confirm the destruction of chemical weapons at them, "- he said.


    Rudskoy recalled that from 2013 to 2016 under the control of the OPCW special equipment of production facilities for chemical weapons were inoperable, and all their means of delivery have been eliminated.


    "Stocks of toxic chemicals were loaded onto an American ship" Cape Ray "and then disposed of in the US companies, the UK, Finland and Germany", - said Russian general.


    At the same time, he noted that the international inspectors have carried out additional checks of a number of Syrian facilities that were not related to the production and storage of chemical weapons. "The facts of the production or the presence of toxic substances to them also have been identified," - he said.


    Rudskoy also stressed that Syria, as a party to the Convention on the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, fulfilled its obligations and eliminate all the special equipment for the production of chemical weapons housings warheads missiles, bombs and stocks of toxic chemicals. "This fact has been documented and confirmed by officials of the OPCW It reflects that Syria has chemical weapons.", - he said.

    Chief of General Staff of the operational management also said that the Syrian army is successful offensive against the terrorists, so she had no need to apply any sending material not found in the government forces.

    "In these circumstances, the government of Bashar al-Assad is no need to use chemical weapons Especially since it from the Syrian army there." - he said.'

    According to him, the terrorists and so suffer defeat after defeat and leave the territory they controlled under the blows of the Syrian army.

    Chemical weapons handicrafts


    According Rudskoy terrorists used chemical weapons in Syria, including handicrafts.

    "At the same time recorded cases of militants of chemical weapons, including home-made According to some of these investigative materials transferred to the OPCW representatives.", - he said.


    Rudskoy reminded that the November 16, 2016 the Ministry of Defense experts in the area of ​​Marret-Umm Haouch in the province of Aleppo examined an unexploded mortar shell handicraft production of 240-mm caliber, which militants have used against civilians. Russian experts have confirmed that it was poisonous substance blister agents such as mustard gas.

    "The results of studies in January 2017 were transferred to the OPCW representatives of the Syrian national body exercising functions under the Convention on the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons", - the general added.

    As Rudskoy said militants are imported toxic substances in several areas of Syria in order to provoke new US strikes on Syria.

    "According to our information, the militants are now imported in the areas of Khan Shaykhun, airfield Jira, Eastern Guta and west of the city of Aleppo toxic substances. The purpose of these actions is to create another reason for the Syrian government of allegations of use of chemical weapons and provoking new US attacks "- Rudskoy said.


    "Be warned about the inadmissibility of such steps," - said the general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSphere View Post
    He does not have to downplay it.. the strike produced very modest results..

    So much rant.. He might be referencing the Su-22M-4Ks and stocks of weapons which have been left intact despite being in clearly defined shelters..

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    It is a justified "rant". Just a coincidence then that Major-General Igor Konashenkov makes the claim as the old junk aircraft are re-shown for a second time in the UAV video? The claims of 23 hits is just ridiculous. Even commercial satellite imagery shows at least 44 hits. Take into consideration that some of those targets were hit more than once. As of last night the US assessment from US General Votel was that 57 cruise missiles struck their targets. Some of the shelters in the north west of the airbase were not struck and it is assessed that they were off limits due to Russians operating in proximity.

    These are the old junk Su-7s that the Russian UAV video footage shows twice.

    From post strike videos. Sourced from Twitter.



    MiG-17 and three of the four Su-7s in the following screen capture.



    April 7, 2017

    ISI FIRST TO ANALYZE SHAYRAT AIRFIELD MISSILE ATTACK

    Based on very high resolution imagery captured less than 10 hours after the attack, ISI presents in depth battle damage assessment

    ISI very high resolution satellite imagery was able to reveal the results of the Tomahawk cruise missiles attack on the Al-Shayrat Air Base. According to ISI experts, the total of 44 targets hit. Several targets may have hit twice.

    An in-depth examination of the damage to the objectives shows that 13 double hardened aircraft shelters (HAS) got 23 hits. 5 workshops got hit. The workshops are not necessarily related to WMD, but to aircraft and their ability to do maintenance and fly.

    Ten ammunition storages got hit. Seven fuel reservoirs of the AFB got hit at two sites with eight hits total. Two locations remain untouched. One SA6 Battery utterly destroyed along with its radars and control systems. In total, five SA6 Battery elements hit.

    The results show that the target hits were accurate and that the Tomahawks have been used effectively against quality targets. Although 58 missiles hit the base, it seems that the overall damage to the base is limited because the warhead of the Tomahawk is not considered large and weighs about 450 kg.
    http://archive.is/zuxre

    The "23" claim made by Major-General Igor Konashenkov is utterly ludicrous. It is just embarrassing that a military professional has to peddle such non-sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEEJ View Post
    http://archive.is/zuxre

    The "23" claim made by Major-General Igor Konashenkov is utterly ludicrous. It is just embarrassing that a military professional has to peddle such non-sense.
    It seems the runways were not even targeted at all - which would explain why the Syrian AF were able to resume flying operations from the base the next day or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSphere View Post

    BTW, I am still struggling with the US claim that 20 aircraft have been destroyed.. the images only show two.. where is the rest? I have serious doubts that the whole air base even hosted that many operational aircraft..
    You are failing to understand that not all the shelters were imaged. Do you not think that those controlling the journalists and reporters only allowed a small number to be imaged? Ask yourself why there isn't a comprehensive image gallery of every single targeted shelter? Some of the videos make reference to the MiG-23s (6 claimed) that were destroyed without referencing the Su-22. The question does have to be asked as to why the other targeted shelters are not shown in a similar fashion?

    Some of the destroyed MiG-23s in following video.



    Image of one of the destroyed MiG-23s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TEEJ View Post
    The "23" claim made by Major-General Igor Konashenkov is utterly ludicrous. It is just embarrassing that a military professional has to peddle such non-sense.
    Maybe he took lessons from Colin Powell.

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