Regarding that last pic.... That's not quite what they mean when they say "put the wings in an eggbox stand.."
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Those wingparts still amaze me. What a find.
[QUOTE=Alloy;2349213]The new wing bits are still in transit, but we've got a few nice images to share. We will be working to identify the aircraft as soon as the parts arrive at our shop, with luck, there will be a stencil of the serial number to be found with the wingtip's removal. If anyone has additional information on the aircraft these parts came from, we would be very interested. If these parts could talk....
Is there anything that could be used from the paint colours to narrow down the age/mark of this Typhoon, just incase a serial is not found?
For example, it is a cannon armed aircraft, but doesn't have any evidence of black/white recognition stripes on the wings. Would experts of the types history know if this could help narrow the date a little?
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Before D-Day Typhoons had irregular black and white stripes on the undersurfaces to prevent confusion with Fw-190's. That might help.
I thought all operations Typhoons were cannon armed. Have to do some research here
D-Day stripes were originally applied in washable distemper and photos show they weathered away completely after a year or so in the open. They were removed from the undersides of 2ndTAF fighters in September 1944. So not much help from that direction.
It may be more fruitful to try tracing the wreckage back to its Belgian (?) origin.
Fingers crossed for revelations when panels are removed.
Narrowing the identity down is very difficult given the limited information I have at the moment, from what I've seen so far. Our best chance will be the removal of every access panel, the wing tip, and possible the aileron. There is a mount on the underside of the torsion box for rocket rails; from my understanding there are no identification or invasion stripes.
It's a superb original find, nonetheless.
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A quick update on some of the other areas we are working on for the Typhoon. Our focus over the past few months has been design work on the fixtures for the forward monocoque, radiator fairing, and cockpit structure of the Typhoon, work on the rear monocoque has also just started.
We have recently complete design work on the radiator fairing fixture, and the forward monocoque fixture is close behind. One of the most complex structures in the Typhoon is the cockpit section; and given that we have incomplete data, the process of digitally designing the fixture is dependent on accurately reverse engineering many fittings from surviving structure. Below are a few pictures of the work JP843 team member Nicolas Walter has been doing, these show some (ongoing) component design, along with some early design work on the fixture.
The individual component shown are items which have very recently been completed by our project sponsor, and will be added to Nicolas’s work to help with the fixture design. These items were reverse engineered using both 3D scanning equipment and a FARO arm CMM which were adjusted to account for the thermal expansion properties of the material being measured. Once the scan and CMM work were done, the data was combined with known data and tolerances before being built into a solid model ready for production. The techniques used for this process will ensure an absolutely accurate reproduction of the original design.
Thanks for the great update Ian.
Such an awesome project.
Just wanted to make a shout out that I bought a couple of your T-shirts and I'm quite happy with them.
Stunning design work..When we did a Spit off the drawings we still had to do a lot of engineering guestimation..
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There are quite a few small errors we've found throughout the drawings, mostly external geometry where there are two points on a spline that conflict with each other, but a few other areas as well. These issues are easily solved when lofting individual frames, but when there is a geometric conflict between fairing skins over two frames, CAD really saves a great deal of time.
The wing components have now arrived at our shop, a 4700 KM journey that was accomplished with significant help from friends within many organisations including the Halifax 57 Rescue Team.
We've removed a few small access panels and thoroughly inspected the aileron and shrouds etc., all without locating an aircraft identity; our last inspection will be carried out once we've removed the wingtip. If anyone following the forum is able to connect us with individuals who may have been involved with the original recovery of these items, it would be sincerely appreciated.
These wing components represent the majority of the closed structure for the Typhoon's wing, we will be merging the data recovered from our inspection of these items with our drawings and wing scan data from MN235 to complete the design and construction of new wings. The original components represent an amazing part of history, it is our intent to carefully collect the data we need and preserve them to help tell the story of this magnificent aircraft.
Excellent work Ian and team.
Its good to see the undersides too. The roundel is still in place!
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Love the updates!
Thanks very much and best of luck (again!)
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Those bits are amazing, so glad to hear they will be conserved, far too many original historic items are being lost in the name of "restoration", would love to see them
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Thank you for your support guys.
We are working on positively identifying the inboard mounts on the torsion box section, but as far as we can tell, this aircraft was fitted with outboard rockets and inboard long range tanks.
A great point was brought up to us regarding the lower wing roundel not having a yellow ring on it, a change which (we have been told) was ordered on Jan 2nd 1945 and implemented by all 2nd TAF aircraft by early Feb.
We appreciate any and all help from those with the knowledge to help identify anything we might be missing.
We have now removed the wingtip and aileron from the outer wing section, sadly, no sign of any markings that can help with the aircraft identity. The shop has now been cleared in preparation for some fixture work; I will do my best to keep the forum updated as developments take place.
We've put together a small slideshow covering some of the visual progress during 2016 (I did sneak a few 2015 wing scan images in there), and are eagerly looking forward to creating short videos of progress for 2017.
If anyone following along with our shenanigans would like to subscribe to our brand new youtube channel, we would be delighted to have you!
Link to the above mentioned slideshow:
Typhoon Legacy Co. Ltd. 2016
I'll be sure to check it out.
Hey Ian, I'm curious about the level of cooperation between Typhoon restoration groups.
Are you folks in touch and sharing information Etc?
The fact that the U.K. based airworthy restoration has acquired a complete Sabre is particularly excitng.
I hope everyone can benefit.
It's wonderful to see a Sabre being made available for the project, another great step forward for Typhoon preservation!
There are many people and organisations who we've been working with, team members at the JAM in particular have been a wonderful help to us when we get stuck.
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