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    An ARM capacity is very important for DEAD from stand-off and is a capability gap that exists with quite a few western air-forces. The USN and the Italians have kept it relevant through the AARGM program and this will only be further enhanced with the ER effort which is effectively a new weapon given the AARGM was rebuild program for the most part. The USAF chose to pursue a less ambitious and lower risk path to their HARM upgrade but even they are now looking for a new ARM or similar capability as part of their next generation developmental efforts.

    In case a totally new weapon is cost prohibitive many European F-35 customers would be well served by adopting the AARGM-ER for their F-35 A or Bs and it does make a good bit of sense for its (or the standard AARGM) integration on the Typhoon to be pursued at some point once the Tornado fleet is retired. Also, the AARGM with its multi-mode capability is no longer purely an anti radar weapon. It is useful for other strike missions as well.
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    Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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    Quote Originally Posted by bring_it_on View Post
    An ARM capacity is very important for DEAD from stand-off and is a capability gap that exists with quite a few western air-forces. The USN and the Italians have kept it relevant through the AARGM program and this will only be further enhanced with the ER effort which is effectively a new weapon given the AARGM was rebuild program for the most part. The USAF chose to pursue a less ambitious and lower risk path to their HARM upgrade but even they are now looking for a new ARM or similar capability as part of their next generation developmental efforts.

    In case a totally new weapon is cost prohibitive many European F-35 customers would be well served by adopting the AARGM-ER for their F-35 A or Bs and it does make a good bit of sense for its (or the standard AARGM) integration on the Typhoon to be pursued at some point once the Tornado fleet is retired. Also, the AARGM with its multi-mode capability is no longer purely an anti radar weapon. It is useful for other strike missions as well.
    I have no doubt that AARGM-ER being integrated onto the F-35 out of the USN/Italians pocket has not been lost on the UK MOD and RAF. We are very much in the world of 'Built for but not with' when it comes to UK defence procurement. AARGM-ER integrated onto F-35 by our allies means if a situation crops up where we need the capability quickly we are a UOR and a crash acceptance program at Boscombe Down away from having the capability. Same goes for weapons like NSM.

    Whilst I would rather the weapons are in inventory I regard it as an acceptable compromise and leads me to conclude that future UK defence procurement must ensure we buy weapon systems that offer easy integration of future capabilities. In a similar vein putting Strike length MK.41 on Type 26 even if there will be no missiles procured to go in them initially is fine with me considering all the options that offers the MOD and RN down the line to get a slew of capabilities onto the frigate. Just compare that to previous classes like Type 42 or Type 22 and even Type 23 where adding capabilities was difficult and even impossible in some cases.

    I don't see Typhoon or Lightning as single role types I want them to be fully swing role and their pilots trained as such. I even want the F-35B crews to train and even stand in for UK QRA on occasion.
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    I realize this is a Typhoon topic, but to make just one more point on the UK F-35 - will AARGM-ER fit inside the smaller F-35B bays? Seems annoying to compromise stealth by external carriage in the one mission where the capability is perhaps most relevant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trident View Post
    I realize this is a Typhoon topic, but to make just one more point on the UK F-35 - will AARGM-ER fit inside the smaller F-35B bays? Seems annoying to compromise stealth by external carriage in the one mission where the capability is perhaps most relevant!
    No not internally although the idea would be to use it as a stand off weapon so you have a little more flexibility with that given you could have F-35's further back.
    Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trident View Post
    I realize this is a Typhoon topic, but to make just one more point on the UK F-35 - will AARGM-ER fit inside the smaller F-35B bays? Seems annoying to compromise stealth by external carriage in the one mission where the capability is perhaps most relevant!
    AARGM-ER will yes, but not current AARGM (wingspan too big - 1.1m)



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    AARGM-ER will yes, but not current AARGM (wingspan too big - 1.1m)
    AARGM ER will not fit the F-35B's weapons bay. Design requirements have essentially pushed it to the limits of the A/C internal capacity. The only constraint on the competing motor and missile sections is that of fitting inside the F-35C internal bay.
    Last edited by bring_it_on; 17th April 2017 at 19:55.
    Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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    The side of the missile look kind of stealthy. Is stealth part of the specs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bring_it_on View Post
    AARGM ER will not fit the F-35B's weapons bay. Design requirements have essentially pushed it to the limits of the A/C internal capacity. The only constraint on the competing motor and missile sections is that of fitting inside the F-35C internal bay.
    Oh yes, sorry, I didn't read the 'B' part. So maybe a Meteor based ARM is still on then, or just SPEAR, or maybe a cut-length AARGM-ER, who knows.

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    So, what's the latest news on the new AESA radar for EF?
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by haavarla View Post
    So, what's the latest news on the new AESA radar for EF?
    On Kuwaiti Typhoons to be delivered next year.

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    Kuwait won't receive its first aircraft much before 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion82 View Post
    Kuwait won't receive its first aircraft much before 2020.
    2019, production starts in 2018 as it turns out.

    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...s-run-out.html

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    Components production has already started. Late 2019 is the plan, but there is a risk that this may slip into early 2020.

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    Four UK Royal Air Force (RAF) Eurofighter Typhoon combat aircraft arrived in Romania on 24 April ahead of a four-month deployment in support of NATO's enhanced Air Policing mission.
    They will typically fly with two 2,000 litre drop-tanks, four Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missiles (ASRAAMs), four AIM-120 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAMs), and an internal Mauser BK-27 27 mm cannon.
    http://www.janes.com/article/69804/r...ive-in-romania

    Two drop tanks, four ASRAAMs and four AMRAAM!? On a QRA mission?

    Is this SOP for British Typhoons flying QRA? In particular the 8 missiles...!

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    RAF Typhoons have been flying QRA with such a loadout ever since QRA was launched in 2007.

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    Came across "Major Projects Report 2009, Appendices and Project summary sheets". The Unit cost for the tranche 1 & 2 Typhoons (UK) in 2009 was 69.7 million pounds (roughly 109 million USD). Anyone have data for the tranche 3 aircraft in 2013-2015?

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    What does that unit cost include?
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    What does that unit cost include?
    The chart is the "current" production unit cost for Tranche 1 & 2 aircraft in 2009, development costs are given in a different section. There is no breakdown of what is specifically included.

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    IIRC much lower unit costs for Tranche 1 were given before that, & for the Tranche 2 order. It was a long time ago, of course, but I think there was some discussion about a big retrospective apparent price increase, apparently caused by a changed distribution of costs between development & production. Oh, & production cost included VAT, which the government pays to itself so balances out to zero in overall public spending.
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    Two drop tanks, four ASRAAMs and four AMRAAM!? On a QRA mission?
    But not with 2x2000L drop tanks though. Janes messed up there. Should be 2x1000L.

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    A Eurofighter Typhoon has successfully completed a simultaneous firing of two MBDA Meteor Beyond Visual Range air-to-air missiles as part of the programme to integrate the weapon on to the aircraft.
    The trial was used to test successful engagement of targets and the simultaneous two-way data link between two missiles and the aircraft.
    Read more: http://www.aircosmosinternational.co...l-firing-93703

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    "The Vienna prosecutor informed us this afternoon for the first time that*all individuals on an Austrian financial crimes unit list are under*investigation. That list includes Tom Enders," an Airbus spokesman said in a*written statement to AFP.

    "As we have always said, we believe these accusations to be totally*unfounded," he said.

    In February, Austria sued Airbus over a 2003 Eurofighter deal that was long*alleged to have been highly shady, seeking up to €1.1 billion*in damages.
    Read more: https://www.thelocal.at/20170427/aus...rofighter-deal

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    Looks to be on course for June next year as planned, which is good news.
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    Rumours bout sales of Typhoon to Irak if proper financement plan found.

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    What can you say to a post like that?

    I am inclined to laugh at this stage, but who knows

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    Just a twitt. I mention, but not endorse...

    https://twitter.com/iraqi_day/status/858407065915719684
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    With regard to Iraq possibly buying Typhoon, isn't F-16 good enough? In terms of Iraqi fighter needs, what can Typhoon do that F-16 can't do?
    Sum ergo cogito

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    Pose problems for the Saudi AF.

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