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    yes but on another hand you don't want to replace the F-15s too early if they're still flyable for like 8 more years. The defense budget of the current administration may not be available in 5 years if Trump is not reelected. So how many planes you'll be able to buy is pretty much a wild guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotshot View Post
    yes but on another hand you don't want to replace the F-15s too early if they're still flyable for like 8 more years. The defense budget of the current administration may not be available in 5 years if Trump is not reelected. So how many planes you'll be able to buy is pretty much a wild guess.
    No you wouldn't replace them right now. You would replace them later timed with their phasing out in the absence of a SLEP. A short term increase in production would allow you to accelerate your recapitalization of the rest of the fleet freeing up out year deliveries to switch ANG squadrons that currently fly the F-15.

    This is exactly what the Marine Aviation Plan does. It brings the F/A-18 phase out plan to the left compared to where they wanted to be just a couple of years ago. In the USAF's context they would just transition squadrons earlier than planned under the current F-35 A program of record.
    Old radar types never die; they just phased array

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    yeah they could do that but it still remains that you don't know yet how many F-35s will be built per year after Trump"s administration. If the budget is lower you might not be able to recapitalize the active duty force as you intended to do, so you can't replace the F-15s.

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    They could upgrade 10 F-15C's and someone could come to the WH and not upgrade the others and you will end up with the same situation. This is quite an easy thing to game out. If you don't fund something it won't get built, overhauled, delivered or operated. No F-15C will be retired earlier than its actual non SLEP life limit. If you want to keep flying them longer you need to put cash out to get them to that level which for many if not ALL means wings and center fuselage overhauls/rebuilds and mission system upgrades.. That cash will need to be sustained after Trump administrations current and potential second term. Same with the F-35. If you want it to replace squadon X in 2029 you have to fully fund those aircraft by 2027. There is always a chance that someone comes in 4 or 8 years from now and takes money for squadron X's jets away but that could happen for any effort or program including the F-15C upgrade, sustainment or support.

    What the Air Force can do is shape its FYDP based on where the current administration and Congress allows and make investments to make buying the aircraft more affordable to buy earlier. Hence it is being rumored that all three services may be submitting plans to buy more aircraft in the short-medium term than what was submitted by Obama along with the FY17 SAR's. The FY18 process is underway so we will know exactly what they have submitted, what eventually makes the cut and what passes Congress over the next year or two but expect the FY18 SAR's to be a lot different than what were submitted for the FY17 budget. And its the Congress that pays for it and if recent history is a judge the President has limited sway in shaping the NDAA. This is amplified in the BCA years but is unlikely to change beyond as well.
    Last edited by bring_it_on; 14th April 2017 at 17:56.
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    Aviation Week's reporting on Textron's quarterly earnings -

    Textron Aviation, meanwhile, has flown the second production-representative Scorpion light-attack/reconnaissance aircraft and plans to fly a third before the U.S. Air Force’s OA-X flight experiments planned for August-September at Holloman AFB, New Mexico.

    Textron has proposed both the turboprop AT-6 and twin-jet Scorpion for participation in the flight experiments, which are being staged to inform an Air Force decision of whether to launch a program of record to procure up to 300 light-attack aircraft to augment the A-10.
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    Atlantic Trident 17 - F-15E Red Air

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    Last edited by bring_it_on; 23rd April 2017 at 14:06.
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    http://www.defensenews.com/articles/...ement-proposal

    Claims 1 million per airframe to replace longerons, allow the aircraft to serve into 2030's. They make a good point about the investments already made into the F-15 fleet: APG-63v3, upcoming EPAWSS.

    Just does not seem they are realistically looking to retire the F-15C, the government just signed another contract for 18 more APG-63v3 at the same time the story about possible retirement was floated:

    http://www.afcea.org/content/?q=Blog...ar-improvement
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    The EPAWSS POR is currently in EMD so they haven't yet locked in the numbers. The radars they will need regardless of when they 'begin' the process of retiring the fleet. It is all based on budget math and if they get into a situation of constant CRs through the end of BCA, or an extension of the BCA triggered sequester (the reason why CRs are now a reality) then it will be looked at more seriously. We have to look realistically and look past the rhetoric of a defense budget increase which is all just a proposal that requires at least 8 democrats (more like 10) to sign off on which basically ensures gridlock and more CRs. Sequesteration forces bad choices and trades..they just have to determine which is the best out of a series of bad ones.
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    $1 million to replace longerons on an F-15C is a good deal.

    It cost $2.5 million to take an F-16 Block 15 or 20 out of storage at AMARG and return it to flying status so Boeing can spend another $1+ million turning it into a QF-16 target drone. And a QF-16 only flies 15-20 flights before it is shot down.

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