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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayar View Post
    The US would never export a Reaper to Arab States. Yet Turkey can offer a comparable UCAV system to these countries without export restriction hurdles.
    Well...

    General Atomics confirms UAE Predator delivery




    The United Arab Emirates (UAE) has now taken delivery of all the Predator XP unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) that it has ordered, General Atomics Aeronautical Systems Inc (GA-ASI) has confirmed to Jane's.

    It declined to say when and how many Predator XPs were delivered and what payloads they are fitted with, but said the UAE is using the designation RQ-1E for the aircraft, which is an unarmed Predator version designed so that it can be exported to more countries than the types used by the US military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomcatViP View Post
    The very reason that Turkey developed the TAI Anka, Bayraktar TB-2 and Vestel Karayel was because the US refused to sell Armed Predator and Reaper drones to Turkey to be used against the PKK.

    The UAE sale was for recon and surveillance versions armed UCAV systems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayar View Post
    Whilst Turkey is investing in these sub-systems and engines they are all being used in indigenous platforms. The T-129 Atak, T625 Utility Helicopter and the Hurkus Trainer and Coin aircraft all have export potential. All these systems are built to NATO STAGNAGs but do not come with export restrictions. They also cost a fraction of the cost of European and US equivalents. This makes these platforms lucrative investments for Turkic and Arab States. E.g. The US would never export a Reaper to Arab States. Yet Turkey can offer a comparable UCAV system to these countries without export restriction hurdles.

    Above all this, when the development costs are compared with the off-the-shelf purchase of similar platforms Turkey still receives significant cost savings by commissioning indigenous products.
    I don't see any cost savings. you don't even know the price of products.
    The geopolitical dimension of having an indigenous arms industry also cannot be underestimated.
    yeah that's why Syrian rebels use Tow missiles and eastern European weopons. and considering complete flop performance at Albab. it does not seem any one is going to get impressed with Turkish weopons and training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayar View Post
    Above all this, when the development costs are compared with the off-the-shelf purchase of similar platforms Turkey still receives significant cost savings by commissioning indigenous products.
    Complete nonsense.. Quite on the contrary, financing complete R&D in order to get a relatively small batch for domestic use is the most expensive and least efficient way of how to do things.. err, sometimes you got no other choice, I understand.. but cost savings? Significant? Forget it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSR View Post
    I don't see any cost savings. you don't even know the price of products.

    yeah that's why Syrian rebels use Tow missiles and eastern European weopons. and considering complete flop performance at Albab. it does not seem any one is going to get impressed with Turkish weopons and training.
    Turkey has recalled all Leopard 2A4's deployed to Al-Bab because they are basically useless junk. M-60T1's and Turkish APC's such as the Otokar Kobra have survived direct ATGM hits yet Leo's seem to have been blown into pieces.

    The withdrawn Leo's and reserve M-60T's are also undergoing an upgrade for $500 million by Turkish companies as a stop gap measure (until the first batch of Altay's enter service)- http://www.pr.com/press-release/705361

    Al-Bab has been an eye-opener for the Turkish Army vis-a-vis asymmetric warfare and the Turkish military doctrine will change in accordance with the experience gained there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSphere View Post
    Complete nonsense.. Quite on the contrary, financing complete R&D in order to get a relatively small batch for domestic use is the most expensive and least efficient way of how to do things.. err, sometimes you got no other choice, I understand.. but cost savings? Significant? Forget it..
    You are confusing Turkish R&D Costs with Western/European R&D Costs. A Turkish engineer works for the fraction of a cost of a Western/European Engineer. Materials costs, labour costs etc are all low in Turkey.

    Yet the products that come out of Turkey comply with NATO STAGNAGS.

    You are also presuming that no Western Military orders or will order Turkish products. Many Turkish companies however export to the US, Netherlands, Germany etc.

    The SOM Advanced Stand-off Missile is now jointly marketed with Lockheed Martin of the US. The GENESIS Combat Management System developed by Turkish companies is also jointly marketed with Lockheed Martin for Perry class Frigate users.

    Roketsan missiles are also incorporated on some Airbus aerial platforms.

    ASELSAN T/R modules are also used by some THALES radar systems.

    I could list many products which are exported but it would be a futile ritual. My point is that Turkish companies are not making blind investments and that they have proper corporate structures in place which will enable them to compete in the global defence industry.

    Many Turkish companies are also being awarded tenders to modernise Western produced platforms. E.g. Turkey has been selected by Pakistan to modernise the later's Agosta 90B Submarines with Turkish developed sub-systems. See http://www.naval-technology.com/news...arines-4933098

    Turkish Aerospace Industries has also modernised many Jordanian and Pakistani aircraft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayar View Post
    Otokar Kobra have survived direct ATGM hits yet Leo's seem to have been blown into pieces. .
    Can I have what you are having please.

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    By survived he means the ATGM stream passed through the vehicle, unlike tanks which have ammo that can be detonated.

    However I am not sure what point he is driving at, past Turkey Stronk. Turkish M60s have been taken out in virtually every instance of being targeted by ATGMs, and it wasn't the Leo2s fault its crews/infantry support flopped @ Al-Bab.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foxmulder_ms View Post
    Can I have what you are having please.
    Watch this from 0.48 onwards.



    Leo2 crew did not survive. M-60T and Otokar Kobra crew survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayar View Post
    You are confusing Turkish R&D Costs with Western/European R&D Costs. A Turkish engineer works for the fraction of a cost of a Western/European Engineer. Materials costs, labour costs etc are all low in Turkey.
    Staff cost on the R&D in LCC is below 20% of the total. So if you cut it in half, you save under 10% overall. Material cost stays 80% and unless you got the complete supply chain in Turkey (no chance in hell), you won't save a cent on it. I know that because that is what I do for living..

    Quote Originally Posted by Bayar View Post
    Yet the products that come out of Turkey comply with NATO STAGNAGS.
    Sure.. but that also means you are using many standardized components (databus, interface) which come at standard price.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bayar View Post
    You are also presuming that no Western Military orders or will order Turkish products. Many Turkish companies however export to the US, Netherlands, Germany etc.
    Yes, I am presuming that no Western military will order Turkish systems in near future. I could imagine some components like the mentioned TRMs, that's it. If you want to export complete systems, look to the ME, some ex-CIS (Azerbaijan)... and Pakistan..
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSphere View Post
    Staff cost on the R&D in LCC is below 20% of the total. So if you cut it in half, you save under 10% overall. Material cost stays 80% and unless you got the complete supply chain in Turkey (no chance in hell), you won't save a cent on it. I know that because that is what I do for living..

    Sure.. but that also means you are using many standardized components (databus, interface) which come at standard price.

    Yes, I am presuming that no Western military will order Turkish systems in near future. I could imagine some components like the mentioned TRMs, that's it. If you want to export complete systems, look to the ME, some ex-CIS (Azerbaijan)... and Pakistan..
    The Netherlands uses a Turkish platform in its armed services: http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...-(sep-29).html

    The entirety of NATO is will use the SOM Stand-off Cruise missile in their F-35's.

    Airbus uses Roketsan Cirit missiles in its helicopters: http://www.defensenews.com/story/def...aser/85971580/

    Turkish Aerospace Industries together with Sierra Nevada Corporation is also currently a strong contender in the US Air Force Trainer program after 2 companies dropped out of the race with its all composite twin engine Freedom Trainer.

    If you want to obtain an idea as to why Turkey is investing heavily in an indigenous arms industry and R&D...this is a good read: http://www.ibtimes.com/turkey-boosti...nefits-1649300

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    maybe you guys should import some chinese type 99s or ztz-99s, and z-10 attack helicopters. they'll do something interesting in al-kebab

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    Quote Originally Posted by Y-20 Bacon View Post
    maybe you guys should import some chinese type 99s or ztz-99s, and z-10 attack helicopters. they'll do something interesting in al-kebab
    What for? There is an order for 97 TAI Anka MALE UCAV's, 70 TAI T-129s, 95 TAI Hurkus-C's that will enter service soon. More than enough for Turkey to address any asymmetric threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayar View Post
    The entirety of NATO is will use the SOM Stand-off Cruise missile in their F-35's.[/url]
    No they wont, untill now no one but the TAF ordered that particular weapon, there are severall competing weapons in that category and most of the customers will acquire the exact same has the Pentagon, that means that LM and Roketsan have a very tough mountain to climb.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bayar View Post
    Turkish Aerospace Industries together with Sierra Nevada Corporation is also currently a strong contender in the US Air Force Trainer program after 2 companies dropped out of the race with its all composite twin engine Freedom Trainer.
    Strong contender?! Their chances are right next to nill. The three main contenders, Boeing, LM and Northrop gave a good look at the RFI, the RFP and the KPP´s and all of them went with a F404 powered platform...
    TAI and Sierra Nevada, are two companies who have never designed and built a jet on their own, they are not a "strong" contender versus Lockheed Martin, Boeing and Leonardo.

    Being proud of the achievements of our own country is all very well and nice, and congratulations to the Turkish Aerospace Industries, but a bit of realism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayar View Post
    The Netherlands uses a Turkish platform in its armed services: http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...-(sep-29).html
    Let us be honest with ourselves here.. This isn't Netherlands using a Turkish system, this is Netherlands using a German-made KMW vehicle, equipped with US made missile launchers for which ASELSAN designed a pedestal mounted moving platform. This is exactly what I am talking about, currently Turkey only can hope to export systems a) on a subcontractor level b) in relatively modest numbers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bayar View Post
    The entirety of NATO is will use the SOM Stand-off Cruise missile in their F-35's.
    SOM will be cleared for use on the F-35s, that does not mean anyone will order it. There have been zero orders thus far, AFAIK.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bayar View Post
    Airbus uses Roketsan Cirit missiles in its helicopters:
    Again, CIRIT will be one of the options you can order for your H135M or H145M. It does not automatically mean anyone will really use it..

    Quote Originally Posted by Bayar View Post
    Turkish Aerospace Industries together with Sierra Nevada Corporation is also currently a strong contender in the US Air Force Trainer program after 2 companies dropped out of the race with its all composite twin engine Freedom Trainer.
    Sierra Nevada and TAI? Pretty much zero chances to win the T-X, I am afraid..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayar View Post
    Turkey has recalled all Leopard 2A4's deployed to Al-Bab because they are basically useless junk. M-60T1's and Turkish APC's such as the Otokar Kobra have survived direct ATGM hits yet Leo's seem to have been blown into pieces.
    I know Germanic products are useless when they get old but why Turkey did not know that fact ahead of time?
    The withdrawn Leo's and reserve M-60T's are also undergoing an upgrade for $500 million by Turkish companies as a stop gap measure (until the first batch of Altay's enter service)- http://www.pr.com/press-release/705361

    Al-Bab has been an eye-opener for the Turkish Army vis-a-vis asymmetric warfare and the Turkish military doctrine will change in accordance with the experience gained there.
    if they had been observing middleaster wars they wouldn't be in such situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayar View Post
    What for? There is an order for 97 TAI Anka MALE UCAV's, 70 TAI T-129s, 95 TAI Hurkus-C's that will enter service soon. More than enough for Turkey to address any asymmetric threat.
    Turkey has order a lot of things but can it be delivered in sufficient quantities on time. Azerbaijan has S300PMU2 and helicopeter fleet around Mi-171 very similar to Pakistan.
    Pakistan give you small contract for Sub modernization but larger contract is with Chinese Subs.
    Arms industry is not a field that Turkey can compete. you are wasting your limited skilled and financial resources which will starve the Civilian industry of both capital and manpower.
    Toursim/rents from pipeline are no sufficient. you are boxed between competing powers that don't allow you to function properly.

    http://en.apa.az/azerbaijan_energy_a...nge-on-eu.html
    Gazprom-TAP cooperation: Russia waited 8 years to take revenge on EU

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    Turkey's UCAV Arsenal

    Turkey has commissioned a dedicated "Joint Coordination Center for UAV and Surveillance Monitoring Systems" for both line of sight (non-SatCom) and beyond line-of-sight operations (SatCom) and ordered another 91 Armed MALE UAV's as follows:

    * Turkish National Police
    6 ANKA-B
    6 + 12 Bayraktar TB2

    * Turkish Land Forces
    12 + 6 + 16 Bayraktar TB2
    6 Vestel Karayel

    * Paramilitary Police (Jandarma) Forces
    12 Bayraktar TB2

    * Turkish Air Force- Primarily used for cross-border operations- Uses TurkSat and InmarSat Satellites
    10 ANKA-S

    * National Security Organization- Primarily used for covert operations- Uses TurkSat and InmarSat Satellites
    3 ANKA-S

    TAI ANKA-B
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    Baykar Bayraktar MIUS



    See also https://www.dailysabah.com/war-on-te...ism-operations
    http://aviationweek.com/paris-air-sh...b-flight-tests

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    ASELSAN begins marketing Gallium Nitride (GaN) Radar T/R Modules

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    I don't think we need a separate thread for every single piece of news coming from Turkey.

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    Agreed. Thead closed.
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    Turkey to order 2nd Light Carrier from SEDEF Shipyard

    Turkish LHD programme gathers momentum
    Michele Capeleto, Abu Dhabi - IHS Jane's Navy International
    27 February 2017
    http://www.janes.com/article/68285/turk ... from_rss=1

    Turkish shipbuilder SEDEF has told Jane's that the Turkish Navy should have its new landing helicopter dock (LHD) two years earlier than originally expected and confirmed that the company is currently in negotiations to build a second LHD.

    SEDEF's defence industry manager Selim Bugdanoglu told Jane's that at the moment a formal tender for the second vessel "is planned for around the date of launch for [first-in-class vessel] Anadolu", which is currently set for January 2019.

    The project's roots stretch back just over a decade, to a Request for Information that was issued in April 2007, followed by local bid submissions in early 2010 and the selection of a joint SEDEF/Navantia proposal in late December 2013.
    This means Turkey may be ordering more F-35B or C's.

    TCG Anadolu Aircraft Inventory
    6 x F-35B (12 F-35B in Light Carrier mode)
    4 x T-129 ATAK
    8 x As532 or CH-47F
    2 x S-70B Seahawk
    2 x Anka or Bayraktar UAV/UCAV

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    It's an LHD, not a "Light Carrier".

    You should create a thread for Turkish news and put everything in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rii View Post
    It's an LHD, not a "Light Carrier".

    You should create a thread for Turkish news and put everything in there.
    Although reported as an LHD the vessel is classed as dual-use platform by the Turkish Navy. It has been designed to field 12 x F-35B or C's in Light Carrier mode. As an LHD it can only carry 6 F-35B or C's. The vessels also have Ski-jumps.

    Its displacement will be 24,660 tons (in "light aircraft carrier" mission configuration) or 27,079 tons (in "LHD" mission configuration).


    DEFENCE INDUSTRY
    TURKEY SIGNS CONTRACT WITH NAVANTIA-SEDEF FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A LIGHT AIRCRAFT CARRIER
    BY GEORGETSIBOUKIS • MAY 11, 2015
    See http://blogs.plymouth.ac.uk/dcss/201...craft-carrier/

    After more than a year of negotiations, Turkey has signed a contract for the construction of a Landing Platform Dock/Light Aircraft Carrier. The contract was signed between the Undersecretary of Defense Industries (SSM) and the Turkish shipbuilding company Sedef.

    The new vessel is going to be a version of the Landing Helicopter Dock Juan Carlos I class, with a sky jump ramp and a front lift so that the Turkish ship can accommodate and operate F-35B Lighting II aircrafts.

    The selection of the Spanish design was announced on 27 December 2013, while the main contractor is the Turkish shipyard Sedef. Although the Turkish Navy initially wanted a stripped down version of the Landing Helicopter Dock (LHD) Juan Carlos I class, second thoughts led to a change of plans and the new version of the LHD will be able to carry 8-10 F-35B and 12 helicopters.

    The Turkish ship will be equipped with a sky jump ramp and a front lift in order to accommodate the operation of the short take-off and vertical landing aircrafts.

    Furthermore the Turkish light aircraft carrier is going to be equipped with several Turkish-made subsystems that will increase the national defense industry value.

    The technical specifications of the Turkish landing platform dock/light aircraft carrier according to Sedef shipyards are:

    Length overall: 231 meters
    Maximum beam: 32 meters
    Draught: 6.8 meters
    Height: 58 meters
    Displacement: 24,660 tons (Light Aircraft Carrier) and 27,079 tons (as a LPD/LHD)
    Maximum speed: 21.5 knots (Light Aircraft Carrier) and 29 knots (as a LPD/LHD)
    Range: 9,000 miles @ economical speed
    Electric propulsion with two x 11 MW Siemens eSIPOD; five MAN 16V32/40 Diesel GenSets and two bow thrusters
    Complete hospital and sick bay.
    The combat systems of the Turkish landing platform dock/light aircraft carrier are:

    Genesis ADVEnt CMS made by Turkish company Havelsan with 20 consoles made by Turkish company Milsoft-Ayesas with amphibious and joint operations capability
    Link 11/16/22/JRE/VMF
    One x SMART-S Mk2 3D Search Radar
    Two x LPI radars (Alper radar made by Turkish company Aselsan)
    Two x Navigation radars
    One x Air traffic and control radar
    One x PAR radar
    Four x 25mm STOP stabilized gun system made by Aselsan
    Three x 12.7mm STAMP stabilized gun system made by Aselsan
    Two Raytheon Phalanx 20mm CIWS
    One ARES-2N R-ESM system made by Aselsan
    Jammers made by Aselsan
    Kalkan Chaff/IR Decoy launching system made by Aselsan
    TORK torpedo countermeasure system made by Aselsan
    One AselFlir-300D IRST system made by Aselsan
    HF/VHF/UHF and satellite communication systems made by Aselsan
    The Turkish landing platform dock/light aircraft carrier has:

    5,440m² flight deck;
    990m² aviation hanger and can accommodate either 12 medium size helicopters or 8 CH-47F Chinook. When the aviation hanger and the light cargo garage are unified the ship can carry up to 25 medium size helicopters. Alternatively the ship can carry 8-10 F-35B and 12 helicopters. Six more helicopters can be hosted on the flying deck of the ship;
    1,880m² light cargo garage for TEU containers and 27 Amphibious Armed Vehicles (AAV);
    1,165m² dock which can host four Landing Craft Mechanics (LCM) or two Landing Craft Air Cushion (LCAC), or two Landing Craft Personnel Vehicles (LCVP) and finally;
    1,410m² garage for heavy loads, which can host 29 Main Battle Tanks Amphibious Armed Vehicles and TEU containers.
    Turkish Navy LHD/Light Aircraft Carrier is to be designed for four mission profiles:

    Amphibious ship transporting a Marine Corps Force for landings and land support operations
    Force projection ship transporting Army forces to any theatre of operations
    Aircraft-carrier
    Non-combatant operations: humanitarian aid, evacuation from crisis zones and hospital-ship in catastrophe areas.
    The will crew consists of 261 personnel: 30 officers, 49 NCOs, 59 leading seamen and 123 ratings. The cost of the construction of the vessel is 1 billion dollars, and the ship is to be be completed by 2021.

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    Its an LHD, based on Spains JC1, and along the lines of the Australian Canberra Class. It is not a carrier at all. And they certainly wont be getting the C's, how do you expect them to take off on the thing ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussienscale View Post
    Its an LHD, based on Spains JC1, and along the lines of the Australian Canberra Class. It is not a carrier at all. And they certainly wont be getting the C's, how do you expect them to take off on the thing ?
    Yes, TCG Anadolu is based on the Juan Carlos LHD. HOWEVER, STM of Turkey and Spain's Navantia have designed a derivative of JC1 for dual use as an amphibious assault ship/Light carrier. There are some notable differences between the Juan Carlos LHD and Turkey's TCG Anadolu class (mostly inside the hull).

    Turkey is looking for a fighter for carrier operations because Turkey plans to commission (after 2028) a proper aircraft carrier. This was reported by Janes a few months ago. Turkey planned 2 LHD's/Light Carriers and then the acquisition of a proper large carrier.

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    That is rather a funny political chestpounding done by AKP guys. I expect the more than usual "We build an indigeneous aircraft carrier we are best others worst" garbage during its launch... TCG Anadolu is a LHD however you twist it.. Any LHD can forego some of its helicopter wing to carry more VTOL aircraft to improve its long distance strike capability.

    And any modern, mid to large sized LHD like Mistral, JC1, Wasp etc can carry as much as or even more fixed wing aircraft than legacy Kiev or Invincible class carriers, that is not a big feat as well.. Actually, LHA Tarawa or LSD Wasp has twice the size of TCH Anadolu, can carry nearly twice number of fixed wing aircraft on Sea Control missions. No one in their sane minds would even half-consider them as "carriers" because they are not.

    And this "dual configuration" idea around is not valid argument from technical aspect... Legacy Moskva-class helicopter carriers, can land&service 18 Mi-8 which are larger in every dimension than a Yak-38. Technically, they can easily operate 18 Yak-38s in VTOL configuration. In my opinion even a Kirov cruiser can also land a pair of Yak-38s, store them outside on top of helicopter hangars and service and re-launch them. It surely has the deck strength and area to do it. They never did that because they had no reason for their missions. Even if some another country would buy a Moskva-class ship and operate them in that fashion, re-labeling it as aircraft carrier would have been a bad joke; esspecially when considering the design sacrifices deliberately made for NOT making these ships a pure aircraft carrier, but something different. Same holds true for any LHD, including TCG Anadolu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussienscale View Post
    And they certainly wont be getting the C's, how do you expect them to take off on the thing ?
    Take-off would not be a big deal, install some shorter-than-usual catapult before ski-jump and those two systems will work in combination to launch any non-VTOL aircraft. I would be more worried about how will they land on such ship.

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    All threads by Bayar about Turkish aerospace have been merged here. Please don't fill the forums with different topics about the same country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andraxxus View Post
    That is rather a funny political chestpounding done by AKP guys. I expect the more than usual "We build an indigeneous aircraft carrier we are best others worst" garbage during its launch... TCG Anadolu is a LHD however you twist it.. Any LHD can forego some of its helicopter wing to carry more VTOL aircraft to improve its long distance strike capability.

    And any modern, mid to large sized LHD like Mistral, JC1, Wasp etc can carry as much as or even more fixed wing aircraft than legacy Kiev or Invincible class carriers, that is not a big feat as well.. Actually, LHA Tarawa or LSD Wasp has twice the size of TCH Anadolu, can carry nearly twice number of fixed wing aircraft on Sea Control missions. No one in their sane minds would even half-consider them as "carriers" because they are not.

    And this "dual configuration" idea around is not valid argument from technical aspect... Legacy Moskva-class helicopter carriers, can land&service 18 Mi-8 which are larger in every dimension than a Yak-38. Technically, they can easily operate 18 Yak-38s in VTOL configuration. In my opinion even a Kirov cruiser can also land a pair of Yak-38s, store them outside on top of helicopter hangars and service and re-launch them. It surely has the deck strength and area to do it. They never did that because they had no reason for their missions. Even if some another country would buy a Moskva-class ship and operate them in that fashion, re-labeling it as aircraft carrier would have been a bad joke; esspecially when considering the design sacrifices deliberately made for NOT making these ships a pure aircraft carrier, but something different. Same holds true for any LHD, including TCG Anadolu.
    São Paulo (A12) has a displacement of 24,200 Tons (Brazil)
    HTMS Chakra Naruebet has a displacement 11,486 tons (Thailand)
    Príncipe de Asturias had a displacement of 15,912 tons (Spain_


    Both are classed as Light Aircraft Carriers. Navantia (previously called Empresa Nacional Bazán) also designed HTMS Chakra Naruebet and Príncipe de Asturias.

    TCG Anadolu has been classed by Turkish Lloyd as an Amphibious Assault/Light Carrier. It too has been designed with input from Navantia. It is not the displacement or the number of aircraft carried that solely determines classification as a light carrier.

    P.S. had the AKP Government wanted an aircraft to show off for internal political consumption it would have commissioned a full Super Carrier like France.

    However, the AKP opted for 2 light carrier/amphibious assault ships built at a Turkish Ship yard with technology transfer.

    One will be stationed at the Turkish Naval base in Qatar. The other at the Turkish Naval base at Mogadishu, Somalia.
    Last edited by Bayar; 4th March 2017 at 01:02.

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