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    Missing Malaysian Airlines B777

    News breaking from Kuala Lumpur, a Malaysian Airlines 777-200 with 239 souls on board is missing over the South China Sea. Flight MH370 bound for Beijing was due to land at 22:30 GMT on Friday (7th March) evening but all communications with the airliner have been lost. A search and rescue mission is currently underway.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26492748
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    Sad to say that this is looking like a major disaster. I found this off Twitter, the last known position from Flightradar
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    Oh dear. Very worrying and sad news. SAR operations have begun.
    It's mysterious how this incident happened. According to BBC News/CNN.com, the aircraft, a 777-200 was not particularly old at 11+ years, the captain was extremely experienced (joined MAS 1981) and the weather conditions were benign.
    Also, apparently no mayday messages were sent/received.
    What are the possible causes of a sudden catastrophic incident whilst cruising in good weather with no warning like this?
    As Theodore Roosevelt said:
    "Talk softly, but carry a big stick"

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    1.The aircraft had history of ground collision
    2.Can't rule out the possiblity of Terrorist Attack.

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    Did this happen at night? Flight over the sea at night can be a funny thing. There have been several incidents involving aircraft that flew into the sea and without a distress call.
    Also have to consider major structural failure or fuel explosion.
    Of course all of this is academic to the families involved.

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    Yes, last contact was at around 02.40 local time.
    Last edited by Deano; 15th March 2014 at 12:14. Reason: COC RULE 14

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    Two fuel slicks have been spotted. The known facts : good weather, no distress call, sudden disappearance.
    http://forum.keypublishing.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=24455&dateline=137163  6822Hindsight is what you see from the tailgunner's position...

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    Some have had a lucky escape...

    Separately, it has been reported that two passengers who were listed on the plane's manifest - an Italian and an Austrian - were not actually on the flight but had had their passports stolen in the past two years in Thailand.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26496673

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    In other words, two of the passengers were on false passports...
    http://forum.keypublishing.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=24455&dateline=137163  6822Hindsight is what you see from the tailgunner's position...

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    Preliminary information from ASN. R.I.P. and sympathy for relatives.

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    Here are the facts so far:
    The airplane reached cruising altitude without a squeak.
    It was in an area of good coverage of a large number of ADS-B receivers.
    It disappeared abruptly.
    There was no mayday call.
    As far as I can ascertain there were no ADS-B returns indicating a descent of any sort.
    No ACARS transmissions have been reported.
    There is a fuel slick in the sea (which, if as a result of a plane hitting the water, the plane would have been largely intact upon impact).
    There were two individuals on board using stolen passports.

    Then I came across this news report : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ane-MH370.html
    http://forum.keypublishing.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=24455&dateline=137163  6822Hindsight is what you see from the tailgunner's position...

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    I just read a piece of info via a link on airliners.net that states that a US military base stationed in Thailand picked up a Mayday call from the B777 and there was mention that the cabin was disintegrating and they wanted to make a forced landing.
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    Only one single reference of Chinese origin and other posts suggesting meteorites and satellites. It is daybreak there already and the search will continue.
    http://forum.keypublishing.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=24455&dateline=137163  6822Hindsight is what you see from the tailgunner's position...

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    BBC now reporting that there is a 'suggestion' that the plane may have turned round before the crash.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26502843?flv=1#
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    I see that too.

    In truth, it is beginning to look like a terrorist attack. The B777 is probably the world's safest airliner statistically, the weather was perfect, there were two false passport holders on the aircraft and five whose luggage was loaded but who did not board...

    Of course, all at the moment is pure speculation but there does seem a weight of probability developing in one direction.

    RIP all those on board and may God be with their friends and families at this tragic time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrtotty View Post
    two false passport holders on the aircraft and five whose luggage was loaded but who did not board...
    I did see a report that this luggage had been removed from the plane.
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    The two passports were stolen in Thailand and the tickets were bought together.
    http://forum.keypublishing.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=24455&dateline=137163  6822Hindsight is what you see from the tailgunner's position...

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    Photo of some wreckage that was shown on Sky News. At first glance it looks like it could be one of the wing exit hatches.
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    No such thing fitted on any 777. I fly all varieties. Check Airliners.net and check for yourself.

    Right now everything is speculation. Such as this below..

    Its either, sudden catastrophic structural failure, loss of control, or a bomb/hijack take over. Anything else as a flight deck crew member you would make a radio call, if only a mayday.

    Just be patient everyone.

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    I'd be very surprised if this crash turned out to be terrorist related, in this day and age where security meticulously scan and re-scan passengers I just can't see it happening (Kuala Lumpur is hardly a shanty airport in central Kenya, the security screening meets international standards and is the same everywhere in the world) - I'm sure the issue of the false passports will turn out to be one for immigration authorities to scratch their heads over rather than as a lead for the FBI. The two are probably unrelated but it's, of course, being played up by the media.

    If we learnt anything from AF447, it's that previous safety records are there to be broken. The 777 is a reliable, safe, aircraft no doubt about it but sometimes incidents just happen (there are over 1,000 of them in operation). I agree with DXB, I think it was a sudden structural failure which either blew the aircraft apart there and then, or a structural failure which led to a great loss of control rendering it un-flyable.

    I don't believe the aircraft turned back towards Malaysia as is being reported, because if they had enough time to make a rational decision as a crew to turn back then they probably had enough time to send out a distress signal (unless they lost communication as a result of a possible structural failure).

    Although one thing is for sure, we won't really know what went on until they find and analyse those black boxes, so let's hope they can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt-100 View Post
    I'd be very surprised if this crash turned out to be terrorist related.
    I wouldn't. I can't think of anything else it could be, though in fairness to Mr Matt, I'm prepared to be a. surprised and b. proved completely wrong.

    How catastrophic does turbulence have to be before it causes an aircraft to disintegrate?

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    It is odd. If it had been terrorism the perpetrators would usually by now have admitted it and declared another success for Allah against the Great Infidel, or some such. Unless it was two maniacs working alone. Or as posted for some other reason altogether.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrtotty View Post
    How catastrophic does turbulence have to be before it causes an aircraft to disintegrate?
    It doesn't have to be turbulence that causes an aircraft to disintegrate.
    Remember the Aloha B737-200 and metal fatigue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt-100 View Post
    I'd be very surprised if this crash turned out to be terrorist related, in this day and age where security meticulously scan and re-scan passengers I just can't see it happening (Kuala Lumpur is hardly a shanty airport in central Kenya, the security screening meets international standards and is the same everywhere in the world) - I'm sure the issue of the false passports will turn out to be one for immigration authorities to scratch their heads over rather than as a lead for the FBI. The two are probably unrelated but it's, of course, being played up by the media.
    The airport in Kuala Lumpur may be modern with all the security systems in place, but the fact still remains that they allowed two individuals to board a plane with stolen passports. While no security system is 100%, I would expect airports to at least be able to identify stolen or fake passports, and stop individuals from boarding flights using fake ID.

    Recent news on the BBC suggests that these two people bought their one way tickets using cash in Thai currency. That should ring alarm bells. Also, the suggestion that the aircraft attempted to turn back, based on radar data, may have been due to the radar picking up large pieces of the aircraft structure as it broke up in the air. Whatever happened, it's clear that the crew were not in a position to issue a distress or mayday call, so whatever did happen must have been very sudden and/or dramatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliehunt View Post
    It is odd. If it had been terrorism the perpetrators would usually by now have admitted it and declared another success for Allah against the Great Infidel, or some such. Unless it was two maniacs working alone. Or as posted for some other reason altogether.
    Not necessarily, admitting responsibility means that you become the focus of a lot of attention. Especially if, and this is just pure speculation, it was a bomb planted by a group opposed to the Chinese government, it would result in a pretty brutal crackdown. It's often better to just keep quiet and not draw attention to yourself. IIRC there was never any formal claim of responsibility for Air India 182, certainly not at the time.

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    Fair enough. It would depend on the cause for which the sacrifice is being made, as you imply. And some groups/causes will do it for the publicity as much as anything else and others not so. I am surprised that the false passports were not identified at passport control - a quick scan against a database takes seconds.
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    The one scenario I have yet to see suggested, is that of a mid-air collision.
    Engine Failure:.... A condition which occurs when all fuel tanks mysteriously become filled with air.

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    Certainly an experienced captain with an avid interest in flying, spending his life doing what he loved.

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    Nothing "fits" really. This one is a puzzle.

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