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    Suriname PC-7
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    Albanian Air Force

    I've searched, & found some 'good' video's of former Albanian jets, but all ones in b/w

    this is the ONLY "in flight" COLOR pic I could find of an Albanese jet !! but of a really poor quality :Click image for larger version. 

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    the marking on the tail is doubtful !!

    in fact I'd like to see (in colors !) (& IN FLIGHT) their former roundel, (on a JET ).....................................Name:  120px-Roundel_of_the_Albanian_Air_Force_1960-91_Alternate_svg.png
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    Can you help ??

    friendly, Etienne
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    Quote Originally Posted by KERVYN View Post

    this is the ONLY "in flight" COLOR pic I could find of an Albanese jet !! but of a really poor quality
    I honestly thought I would prove you wrong with a quick google images search in Albanian but it seems colour images of flying Albanian Air Force jets are few and far between. I guess they didn't go in for military aviation photography much in the People's Republic and I doubt the jets saw much air time after 1992.
    Regards, Ivan

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    Quote Originally Posted by archangelski View Post
    Bad quality picture of Malawi Do27 :

    It's a Do-28.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSphere View Post
    Suriname PC-7
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    I sure wish you had a close-up of this one!!! Very unusual!

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    Not sure if anybody knows why, but I haven't seen any profiles posted on the Wings Palette site since April 22. Does anybody have any updates about that site?

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    More Suriname

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkozak View Post
    I sure wish you had a close-up of this one!!! Very unusual!
    I only have the pre-delivery pic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gkozak View Post
    It's a Do-28.
    You're, of course, right ! Not really the look of a Do27.
    My big fingers have, one more time, missed the good key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERVYN View Post
    I've searched, & found some 'good' video's of former Albanian jets, but all ones in b/w

    this is the ONLY "in flight" COLOR pic I could find of an Albanese jet !! but of a really poor quality :Click image for larger version. 

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    the marking on the tail is doubtful !!

    in fact I'd like to see (in colors !) (& IN FLIGHT) their former roundel, (on a JET ).....................................Name:  120px-Roundel_of_the_Albanian_Air_Force_1960-91_Alternate_svg.png
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    Can you help ??

    friendly, Etienne
    Sorry Etienne. This one is not flying but it is in color.
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    [QUOTE=KERVYN;2053436]I've searched, & found some 'good' video's of former Albanian jets, but all ones in b/w

    this is the ONLY "in flight" COLOR pic I could find of an Albanese jet !! but of a really poor quality :

    the marking on the tail is doubtful !!

    in fact I'd like to see (in colors !) (& IN FLIGHT) their former roundel, (on a JET ).....................................]

    Can you help ??

    friendly, Etienne

    Google is a good solution but threads friends too : (KERVYN, if you want more, simply ask) but, as GERARD say, rarity in flight !

    FT-5 (MiG-15UTI) and F-6 (Mig-19) tail :[/QUOTE

    F-7A (MiG-21F) :

    F-2 (MiG-15bis) :

    H-5 (Il-28) :

    F-6 (MiG-19S) :
    Last edited by archangelski; 10th August 2013 at 12:01.

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    Downed but, apparently, intact Afghan Mi-8 :


    Afghan Aviation School in B/W : pilots with L-39c

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERVYN View Post
    in fact I'd like to see (in colors !) (& IN FLIGHT) their former roundel, (on a JET)
    One I have found.. But the roundel is this:
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    [QUOTE=MSphere;2053574]One I have found.. But the roundel is this:
    QUOTE]

    Yes. That's right. Etienne is referring to the older Albanian one with the star.

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    thanks to you all, Albanian-searchers !!!!

    indeed, their roundel changed in 1991, if I'm right..

    Yes, Archangelski ;
    Google is a good solution but threads friends too : (KERVYN, if you want more, simply ask) but, as GERARD say, rarity in flight !
    (my first name is Etienne ; yes, you may...)
    (see also your p.m. box)


    I .. 'just & only' ask you to find one rarity IN FLIGHT...

    friendly, Etienne
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    Suriname Air Force n° 1 !!

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    friendly, Etienne

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    Not evident to recognize from what country this one flies !!

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    here is the answer ;http://www.google.be/imgres?q=costa+...2&tx=154&ty=51

    (not really an 'air force', but certainly a serious unit !)

    friendly, Etienne

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    Quote Originally Posted by MSphere View Post
    Suriname PC-7
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    Nice, I am still looking for Surinam PC-7's with Surinam Air Force roundels and serials. If they were ever painted on.
    I have seen them only with Swiss ferry registrations.

    greetings,
    Hendrik

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERVYN View Post
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    here is the answer ;http://www.google.be/imgres?q=costa+...2&tx=154&ty=51

    (not really an 'air force', but certainly a serious unit !)

    friendly, Etienne
    Interesting image from Costa Rica. I have never seen their national insignia presented like that on the wings.

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    Surinamese PC-7's

    searching for some pics, I've found this historical info, in a KP thread.... ;


    flex297

    I know of three PC-7s in Suriname.. But since PC-7s are being listed as active in Surinamese service, there must have been some other aircraft, too..

    #479 HB-HMN, serial 111
    #480 HB-HMQ, serial 112
    #481, serial 113

    delivered Oct 1985, returned to Pilatus Mar 1987..

    Last edited by flex297; 14th December 2005 at 12:43.
    let's wait & see 'a little bit' for some recent pics !

    friendly, Etienne

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendriksf260 View Post
    Nice, I am still looking for Surinam PC-7's with Surinam Air Force roundels and serials. If they were ever painted on.
    I have seen them only with Swiss ferry registrations.

    greetings,
    Hendrik
    Funny you should mention that. If you examine the image, you can see a white disk on the fuselage; I presume that is where the Suriname roundel was to be placed. Notice also the black rectangular marking on the fin. I surmise that this is where the Suriname registration number would be placed. Chris Thornberg's World Air Forces site lists three PC-7s operated by Suriname, numbers SAF-111, SAF-112, and SAF-113. It also notes that SAF-111's Swiss ferry registration was HB-HMN, and SAF-112's was HB-HMQ. So it looks like the aircraft in your photo was to be SAF-111, Hendrik. Remove the Swiss ferry registrations and the Swiss insignia, add the Suriname roundels and registration numbers, and I think you'll have it. Only thing is- what about the wing markings? I think the best way to determine that would be to look for other aircraft similarly marked with the Suriname roundel, and extrapolate to the PC-7. Will do some research and get back with everybody. Very, very interesting.

    Well, there are relatively few images of aircraft from Suriname. However, I have ascertained that the registration numbers on their aircraft are replicated on the top left and bottom right wings, apparently without roundels. I assume there are roundels on the top right and lower left wings, too, but this is only conjecture.
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    [QUOTE=archangelski;2053567]
    Quote Originally Posted by KERVYN View Post
    I've searched, & found some 'good' video's of former Albanian jets, but all ones in b/w

    this is the ONLY "in flight" COLOR pic I could find of an Albanese jet !! but of a really poor quality :

    the marking on the tail is doubtful !!

    in fact I'd like to see (in colors !) (& IN FLIGHT) their former roundel, (on a JET ).....................................]

    Can you help ??

    friendly, Etienne

    Google is a good solution but threads friends too : (KERVYN, if you want more, simply ask) but, as GERARD say, rarity in flight !

    FT-5 (MiG-15UTI) and F-6 (Mig-19) tail :[/QUOTE

    F-7A (MiG-21F) :

    F-2 (MiG-15Bis) :

    H-5 (Il-28) :

    F-6 (MiG-19S) :
    Note the Albanian flag on the tail of the Il-14 in the background of the H-5/Il-28 picture.

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    The Il-14 with the Albanian flag is most likely a VIP aircraft like the A109 below
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    The same Beagle but now with the recent roundel:
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    Quote Originally Posted by gkozak View Post
    Interesting image from Costa Rica. I have never seen their national insignia presented like that on the wings.
    I agree, never seen that before. Here are my collected pics from Costa Rica:
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    Some me be reposts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KERVYN View Post
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    here is the answer ;http://www.google.be/imgres?q=costa+...2&tx=154&ty=51

    (not really an 'air force', but certainly a serious unit !)

    friendly, Etienne
    it looks like MSP003 did fly in different colors too:
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    And its final color!
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    Piper PA-31 350 Chieftain
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    For those interested in old Albanian roundels (bad quality) : (Sorry Etienne, not always jets and no in-flight pictures till now !)

    Il-14 (with flag on tail) :

    Mi-4A :

    FT-2 (MiG-15UTI) :

    CJ-6 (Type 61) :

    F-5 (MiG-17F) :

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    Fuerza Aérea Hondureña (Honduras Air Force) :

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    Albanian flag..

    Yes, Greg, I've "well" seen the flag in ;

    Note the Albanian flag on the tail of the Il-14 in the background of the H-5/Il-28 picture.
    But, I prefer this recent 'red' view, at the Tirana Airport ;http://www.tirana-airport.com/?RoseT...68180231crc508

    friendly, Etienne

    (you're right, Gerard, that Il-14 was a VIP version )
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