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    Unhappy March 2013 Spitfire replica crash.... South Aust.

    The South Australian Police facebook site has posted that a spitfire has crashed in Salisbury (dont know if real or replica), with loss of Pilot.

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    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1226599160065



    A PILOT has been killed when his World War II Spitfire plane crashed between two businesses in Adelaide's northern suburbs.

    Police said the plane crashed into a fence on Frost Rd, Salisbury, just before 2pm.

    It is believed the aircraft was in Adelaide for the Classic Jets airshow at Parafield Airport.

    There are only two airworthy Spitfires in Australia, both of which are based in NSW.

    The fence runs between two adjoining businesses, which were both closed at the time.

    Police are appealing for anyone who witnessed the crash to contact the Police Assistance Line on 131 444.

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    Reports say it was a replica.

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    According to reports it was VH-VSF, a Mk26 replica. It had apparently just completed a slow pass with wheels and flaps down before crashing in a near vertical nose down attitude. It was taking part in the Classic Jets airshow at Parafield Airport, just north of Adelaide, South Australia.
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    sad day , thoughts go out for the family and friends
    a picture is on this news site
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-1...-crash/4578208

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    Condolences to the friends and family of the pilot. Found some photos of her flying here.

    http://photography-on-the.net/forum/....php?t=1284196
    http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=30343&dateline=131077  0701

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    One of the witnesses (albeit a 12yo kid) said the plane barrel rolled & one of the wings failed. Crash pic shows an aircraft seemingly missing the starboard wing
    If anybody ever tells you anything about an aeroplane which is so bloody complicated you can't understand it, take it from me: It's all balls. RJM.

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    Might have been a tip that came off. If it lost an entire wing, I doubt it would look so complete. Also, wintesses mean well, but very often offer accounts which do not stand up to scrutiny or the known facts.

    However, a life has been lost, and our conjecture is just so much hot air. If there are issues of airframe integrity, I imagine the authorities will be on to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZRX61 View Post
    One of the witnesses (albeit a 12yo kid) said the plane barrel rolled & one of the wings failed. Crash pic shows an aircraft seemingly missing the starboard wing
    The 'tail on' shot shows the stbd wing, and if the spectator photo of the plane in a dive, gear down, is pre impact, then it does have the wings attached.

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    The account that 'aerobatics' were involved leads one to have some sympathy with the UK LAA view that the type should not be approved for aeros here.

    Sad news all the same.

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    Moggy, the type is stressed the same as your RV, are RV's OK'd for aeros in the UK? The aircraft would have not been doing "Aero's" in the circuit area at Parafield. Newspaper "Aerobatics" can be anything from straight and level to 30 degree turns.
    Nobody has said anything about medical problems may have contributed. Inattention or incapacity in slow flight from medical problems can have the same end result.
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    Sad news. RIP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JagRigger View Post
    The 'tail on' shot shows the stbd wing, and if the spectator photo of the plane in a dive, gear down, is pre impact, then it does have the wings attached.
    It shows about 3ft of the starboard wing & no impact marks on the tree just behind what's left of the wing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moggy C View Post
    The account that 'aerobatics' were involved leads one to have some sympathy with the UK LAA view that the type should not be approved for aeros here.

    Sad news all the same.

    Moggy
    Admittedly I was in the car headed for the gate, but I didn't see any Aero's as such, just some fast passes and tightish turns. From what I could see, he was on a downwind leg with gear down when he dived in.
    I am just hoping this does not spark another anti airshow debate, as in 50 years of attending airshows, this is the first fatatilty I've witnessed and only the second serious, the first being Neil Williams in a Stampe at Biggin Hill in the 60s..........Digger

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    Very sad to hear about this. Condolencies to the pilot's family and friends. Please let's not speculate on what went wrong, that's for the AAIB and also to show some respect for the pilots family.

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    Did a drive belt.

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    Assuming that somewhat enigmatic posting is meant to suggest a drive belt failure as the cause of the accident

    1) What is the source for this information?

    2) How would the loss of a drive belt, and presumably of all engine power, result in a vertical descent as pictured, rather than a normal glide descent?

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    Some guy reported the engine was screaming and the prop wasn't.This happened with the replica Mustang a while back killed him also.
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    "Some guy"?

    OK let's file that with all the other theories and await the results of the expert analysis.

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    Seems to be the old killer, stall/spin, base to finals.

    No loss of any airframe parts, or engine issues. Eye witness accounts are often wrong, in fact, they are nearly always wrong.

    ''A significant number of witnesses, some with piloting experience, observed the aircraft turn right base for runway 21L. They recalled that the aircraft appeared to be flying very slowly prior to an abrupt left turn away from the runway. Their accounts described a loss of control that was consistent with an aerodynamic stall followed by a significant wing drop. The aircraft was then observed to descend steeply toward the ground with a degree of spiral evident along the descent path before being lost to sight behind trees and buildings.''

    http://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/...-2013-051.aspx

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    One of the witnesses (albeit a 12yo kid) said the plane barrel rolled & one of the wings failed. Crash pic shows an aircraft seemingly missing the starboard wing
    Can often be better witnesses as they do not come with preconcepted knowledge that can cloud what they are actually seeing

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyT View Post
    Can often be better witnesses as they do not come with preconcepted knowledge that can cloud what they are actually seeing
    Two summers ago I watched the Skyraider ram the P51 out of the sky at DX, saw the debris falling, and followed the path of the aircraft until both reached the ground, but had you asked me 5 minutes later exactly what I had seen, I was not really sure, and in struggling to come up with an account, would have added details which would subsequently have been found to be wrong.

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