Ford gets an island

[19kilo10]

Looking more like a carrier now. http://blogs.defensenews.com/interce...sland-landing/

[killerbean]

Wow! Such a huge structure being moved by a single crane.

I wonder how much that island weighs.

[Wanshan]

Wow! Such a huge structure being moved by a single crane.

I wonder how much that island weighs.

555 tons (493 tons of structure, 62 tons of equipment). The island was the 452nd lift of nearly 500 lifts involved in the construction. And ... on a side note .... she will not have urinals (i.e. more gender neutral facilities will be provided)

http://wtkr.com/2013/01/26/live-stre...craft-carrier/
http://events.tvworldwide.com/Events...ndLanding.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Gerald_R._Ford_(CVN-78)

[19kilo10]

I understand the male crewmen will be under strict order to sit down when using the facilities.

[TR1]

No Urinals?

Isn't that stupid from a simple "time-to-leak" or clean up the bathroom, perspective?

[Bager1968]

Actually, it is more from a "reduce the maintenance" perspective, as part of the ~30% reduction in ship's company that CVN-78 achieves over CVN-77.

Urinals are, from what the USN says and from what those who have done plumbing maintenance aboard ship say, more frequently plugged-up or otherwise defective... to the level of requiring nearly twice the man-hours per urinal as per toilet.

[Wanshan]

Actually, it is more from a "reduce the maintenance" perspective, as part of the ~30% reduction in ship's company that CVN-78 achieves over CVN-77.

Urinals are, from what the USN says and from what those who have done plumbing maintenance aboard ship say, more frequently plugged-up or otherwise defective... to the level of requiring nearly twice the man-hours per urinal as per toilet.

Guys are retards/pigs when it comes bathroom use....

[TR1]

Guys are retards/pigs when it comes bathroom use....

I've heard horror stories about female bathrooms though

@ Badger- thanks!

[~Alan~]

Urinals are, from what the USN says and from what those who have done plumbing maintenance aboard ship say, more frequently plugged-up or otherwise defective... to the level of requiring nearly twice the man-hours per urinal as per toilet.

That doesn't just apply to ships !

[thobbes]

I can't believe the power and size of that crane!

I've heard horror stories about female bathrooms though

My wife will back you up on that one. Some of the stories she has about female public toilets are pretty nasty.

[Portagee]

Urinals are, from what the USN says and from what those who have done plumbing maintenance aboard ship say, more frequently plugged-up or otherwise defective... to the level of requiring nearly twice the man-hours per urinal as per toilet.

Can be summed up and blamed all in a single word .... Gum.

[Scooter]

It will be interesting to see the USS Gerald R. Ford, HMS Queen Elizabeth, and FNS Charles De Gaulle operating together in the near future.

[19kilo10]

I imagine the QE would be more at home operating with the America, Iwo Jima, or the New York.

[Scooter]

I imagine the QE would be more at home operating with the America, Iwo Jima, or the New York.

The Combat Range of a clean Super Hornet is ~1275 (Miles) vs 1035 for the F-35B. I would add the latter can carry a few thousand pounds of weapons internally. So, by time the Super Hornets carries a similar load externally. The F-35 likely has superior range.


Also, with the except of USN Super Carriers. What other Carrier in the World can out perform the CVF/F-35 Carrier Strike Group.

[19kilo10]

How many F-35Bs are operationaly deployed right now? And the combat range of the "B" will maybe be 470 nm not 1035. And I do remember seeing that the Navy will be getting the "C" model which will have pretty good range itself.....maybe......
Realisticaly, CVF will deploy 8-12 "B"s and a sqdrn of Merlins. That coupled with their sppeed of 25knts and excellent supply capabilities and troop accomadation makes them very much a more useful asset with the amphibs.

[19kilo10]

I pretty much agree with this study. http://www.usnwc.edu/getattachment/8...craft-Carriers

[Scooter]

How many F-35Bs are operationaly deployed right now? And the combat range of the "B" will maybe be 470 nm not 1035. And I do remember seeing that the Navy will be getting the "C" model which will have pretty good range itself.....maybe......
Realisticaly, CVF will deploy 8-12 "B"s and a sqdrn of Merlins. That coupled with their sppeed of 25knts and excellent supply capabilities and troop accomadation makes them very much a more useful asset with the amphibs.

The CVF Class will likely deploy with many more than a Dozen F-35's. Even if she doesn't during peacetime. She surely could during times of Crisis or Conflict. Again it sounds like you are comparing the UK Carriers with US Carriers. Yet, conveniently forget all the other current and planned carriers from around the world. In that context I think the CVF's measure up well...

[19kilo10]

Im not comparing us to uk carriers, YOU are! Im pointing out where they would fit in better. The CVF is most certainly not a a cv in the US sense of the word and is not meant to be. YOU were the one that brought up her operating with the Ford. I didnt once mention CVF in this thread until you brought it up. And when comparing the CVF design to the upcoming Vikrant and the Chinese designs, CVF comes off quite poorly.

[Wanshan]

How many F-35Bs are operationaly deployed right now? And the combat range of the "B" will maybe be 470 nm not 1035. And I do remember seeing that the Navy will be getting the "C" model which will have pretty good range itself.....maybe......
Realisticaly, CVF will deploy 8-12 "B"s and a sqdrn of Merlins. That coupled with their sppeed of 25knts and excellent supply capabilities and troop accomadation makes them very much a more useful asset with the amphibs.

AV8B combat radius is about 560km / 300 nmi
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/harrier/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British...ace_Harrier_II

As compared to 540 nmi (620 mi, 1,000 km) for SHAR
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British...ce_Sea_Harrier

(wonder what - if any - carriage differences are...)

F-35A/b/c
Range: 1,200 nmi (2,220 km) / 900 nmi (1,670 km) /1,400 nmi (2,520 km)
Combat radius on
internal fuel: 584 nmi (1,082 km) / 469 nmi (869 km) / 615 nmi (1,141 km)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-35B#F-35B

[Wanshan]

The Combat Range of a clean Super Hornet is ~1275 (Miles) vs 1035 for the F-35B. I would add the latter can carry a few thousand pounds of weapons internally. So, by time the Super Hornets carries a similar load externally. The F-35 likely has superior range.


Also, with the except of USN Super Carriers. What other Carrier in the World can out perform the CVF/F-35 Carrier Strike Group.

F/A-18E/F
Range: 1,275 nmi (2,346 km) clean plus two AIM-9s[13]
Combat radius: 390 nmi (449 mi, 722 km) for interdiction mission
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_...F_Super_Hornet

[Scooter]

F/A-18E/F
Range: 1,275 nmi (2,346 km) clean plus two AIM-9s[13]
Combat radius: 390 nmi (449 mi, 722 km) for interdiction mission
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_...F_Super_Hornet

So, in many cases the F-35B likely has better range vs payload compared to the Super Hornet.

[bring_it_on]

Any further news?? This is an important year for the program, Not only will the first CVN-21 (Ford) be commissioned, we will likely see work on the Next (USS JFK) to begin as well...

[Riaino]

Does anyone know what the island on HMAS Canberra weighs? Because BAe up the road in Williamstown Melbourne built it and craned it onto the hull (built in Spain and bought out here on the Blue Marlin) a few months ago. I've seen photos but can't find them on the interweb, it's a hefty unit.

[bring_it_on]

Here's a video of the event :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC-jy94CBKw

[kev 99]

Does anyone know what the island on HMAS Canberra weighs? Because BAe up the road in Williamstown Melbourne built it and craned it onto the hull (built in Spain and bought out here on the Blue Marlin) a few months ago. I've seen photos but can't find them on the interweb, it's a hefty unit.

Have a look here:

http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/na...s-lhd-12136-2/

[Scooter]

Impressive ships I think India should seriously consider the design.

[bring_it_on]

Impressive ships I think India should seriously consider the design.

CVN-21? I do not think they are even considering this mega carrier. They are committing to building smaller carriers for themselves.

[Scooter]

CVN-21? I do not think they are even considering this mega carrier. They are committing to building smaller carriers for themselves.

I was referring to the previous posting in regards to the Canberra Class LHD's.

[bring_it_on]

The U.S. Navy's new launch system for carrier-based aircraft has demonstrated its generator-sharing capabilities for multiple catapults.


http://www.avionics-intelligence.com...ch-system.html

[Scooter]

The Ford is going to be a big leap forward.........