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Thread: Wreckage Of Lancaster ED908 (60-Z)

  1. #1111
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    Just checked in for look see, glad to see this thread keeps rolling and what a great ID of that Musical Snuff Box Nick. Had another quick look through the gallery of recovered parts, quite astounding what Laurent has found.

    Bill T.

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    Laurent has sent me a few photographs of the forest (taken yesterday) and I attach two with pictures of the same area pictured three years ago. As can be seen, although the tree felling appears to have finished, much debris remains to be cleared. It may well be some time before Laurent can continue his search!

    The first picture shows the path on the eastern edge of the crash site where engine pieces (M5 and 48) were found (on the left), with a comparison of the same area covered in debris waiting to be cleared (on the right).

    The second picture shows the location (1) where the main fuselage came to rest (on the left), with a comparison (on the right) of the area close by along the northern edge of the forest where logs are being stacked.

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    Index to parts found and annotated illustrations:
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    Pictures of the forest

    Last week, Laurent went into the forest again, armed with his camera. Having seen his pictures, I can understand how difficult it must be to resume his searches at this time. Larger pieces of timber from the tree-felling are stacked alongside the paths in some places: elsewhere smaller cut pieces lie in heaps awaiting further attention. The work was carried out when the ground was wet, and the tracks created by the forestry vehicles have now dried out into ruts, both within the forest and along the eastern pathway.

    I attach a few ‘panoramic’ views created by overlapping two or more photographs taken from the same position. These are marked with the locations of where pieces have been found. The first shows a view along the northern perimeter; the second shows the churned eastern pathway; the third looks down the eastern slopes; and the fourth shows the western slopes.

    Higher resolution versions of these and other pictures are included in the photo-gallery.

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    For readers of this thread who are interested in the forensic aspects of the crash site, the attached panoramic view of the Foręt du Croc shows where identified pieces of wreckage of Lancaster ED908 (60-Z) were found along the northern perimeter. Aerial reconnaissance photographs at the time showed the forest to be densely wooded. Some seventy years later, new trees will have grown and others will have disappeared, but it can reasonably be assumed that the falling aircraft would have ploughed from left to right through similar forestation before coming to rest. The distance between locations 50, on the left, and 15, on the right, is approximately 200 yards, with the mid-point close to location 60. It is around here that the first impact with the ground seems to have occurred – near point ‘B’ on the wreckage location plan.

    Pieces of the undercarriage (50, 53, 54, 51, 41 and 5) are on the left; then an interior fitting from the rear fuselage (26) is next to parts of the tail plane (4 and 3) and engine parts (60, 90 and M2), followed by pieces from the central fuselage (2 and 25). Another engine part (M3) is close to the forward fuselage (1), beyond which are pieces from the bomb bay (15). To the right, a little distance from the forest edge, were pieces from the rear fuselage and bomb bay (20 and 36). Still further away, by the side of the road into the forest, were pieces from another engine (M1). The positions of the pieces on the aircraft are shown on the attached illustration by Pete West (who sadly died at this time last year) which is reproduced with the consent of the editor of Memorial Flight. The discovery of two portable oxygen cylinders some distance apart in the field next to the forest (89 on the left, and 42 on the right) provide additional evidence that the fuselage broke up as it came to earth, either as it hit the ground or as a result of a second explosion as it fell. The detached port wing and at least one engine came to rest separately along the eastern slopes behind the trees on the left.

    The only item which has been identified as coming from the outer (starboard) wing is the access plate for the formation light terminal on the underside of the wing tip found near location 1. This is curious. Given the locations of the pieces of the undercarriage and engines found, it seems unlikely that the outer wing would have come to rest at this point – it would probably have sheared off and disintegrated as the wing hit the ground or the trees. On the other hand, the wing could have fragmented in an explosion, with pieces being hurled some distance. It is also possible that salvageable pieces of the wing could have been placed at or near location 1, and for the access plate then to have become detached from the wing tip, as the wreckage was being cleared from the site after the war. This location would have been a convenient collection point next to the road into the forest. Nearly everything else found at location 1 can be identified as having originally been situated in the crew area of the fuselage forward of the wing spar.

    It is also interesting to note the quantity of serial number plates found (as seen in the photo-gallery) – all detached from the pieces of equipment to which they originally belonged. The larger pieces of surviving wreckage would have been removed for scrap metal, and it seems likely that by that time the attachments for the serial number plates could have rusted away after lengthy exposure to the atmosphere, helpfully leaving behind evidence of some of the equipment on board the aircraft.


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    A short update from France. Laurent tells me that there are currently workers in the forest collecting the cut timber and branches following the tree-felling. When he has some time available, he will have a look to see what progress is being made. Let us hope that he will be able to resume his search for more wreckage soon, but it is likely that we will have to wait for a while before we hear more!

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    Thanks Bob for the update.
    Cheers,Peter
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    New finds

    Laurent has at last been able to have a closer look at the areas of the forest affected by the tree-felling work. In some parts, the branches remain uncollected or have been crushed into the ground by the equipment. In other areas, some pieces of the wreckage have been brought to the surface. I attach pictures of items found on the eastern edge of the forest where the port wing came to earth. Laurent is still searching the area he has designated ‘103’ and will send pictures later.

    At location 102 there are what seem to be some engine pieces. One (102B) appears identical to a piece found at location 49 which is immediately adjacent to 102. So, we have two similar items. Does anyone recognise any of the pieces shown in greater detail in pictures 102A, B, C and D? Laurent’s descriptions are shown on the pictures.

    At location 104 the circular piece is numbered 30SS 3221. This is a type of inspection panel found on the underside of the wing and on the tail plane. Given where it was found (next to locations 57 and 79), presumably this piece is from the wing.


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    Well that was easy.. the large casting and fittings with it are one of the centre section to outer wing main spar attachment shackles.8 on each side
    Cheers,Peter
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    Many thanks, Peter. I wish they were all that simple!!

    I attach a diagram. The front spar fittings (on the left) look larger than those for the rear spar (on the right), but the two diagrams may not be to precisely the same scale. Would they have been of different shapes and sizes? If so, the diagrams would suggest that we may have a fitting from the rear spar, with the joint pin found at location 49 being the other one of the pair from either the top or bottom shackle?
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    Hard to tell in the pics but the front spar attachment was slightly bent at the upper attachment point. I will have to check on the home pc I have some showing them in place... Heres a shot of another clean example
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    Cheers,Peter
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    Many thanks for the picture, Peter. There seems to be little doubt about the identification of the shackle and the two pins at locations 102 and 49. It would be good to see a picture of them in situ if you can find one without too much trouble. My best guess from what you say is that we may have pieces from the rear spar, as our shackle shows a slight bend when viewed in profile (picture 102D), but not as acute as appears in the diagram for the front spar.

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    Here is a picture..
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    Cheers,Peter
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    Great picture, Peter - much appreciated.

    This would seem to provide additional evidence that the centre section and outer wing remained attached to each other until the wing hit the ground, and that the wing separated from the aircraft at a point nearer to the main fuselage.

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