RuAF News and Development Thread part 10

[haavarla]

There is a lot of stuff going on in Russias Aviation market.
Lots of exiting news lately, as the Su-30SM coming along nicely, Pak-Fa program.
The Helo sector are doing very well.
Lots of Upgrade are in order for Cargo, Bombers and AWACS.

It still remain to see how the Su-35S and Su-34 producion output rate will perform..
Mig Rac are also improving, but will most likely struggle with its Mig-29/35 market prospect.

Old thread here: http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/sho...&postcount=715

Stay tuned for more news!

[Berkut]

"476" flew yesterday. Oddly, OAK said they wont "deny or confirm it"

[a89]

Nes on Il-476 first flight:

http://www.aviaport.ru/news/2012/09/22/241034.html

[TR1]

[FalconDude]

.........

why is the lower fin of the Kh-22/32 folding to the side? Aerodynamic or other reasons?

[JangBoGo]

Nes on Il-476 first flight:

http://www.aviaport.ru/news/2012/09/22/241034.html

It mentioned max load of 52tons to 5000km.
Isn't the maximum load 60tons?

[Trident]

Yes, and I expect it still is, as 52 tons to 5000km agrees with the well known payload/range diagram. The word maximum in there is probably a just a mistake.

Although at this point nothing would surprise me about this thing

[Flanker_man]

why is the lower fin of the Kh-22/32 folding to the side? Aerodynamic or other reasons?

For ground handling on its trolley......

It unfolds automatically after launch

Ken

[Nicolas10]

Is it wrong to imagine a lightened Tu22M with a HUGE AESA air to air radar and 6 R37s on a rotary launcher in the weapons' bay?

Nic

[medal64]

Nes on Il-476 first flight:

http://www.aviaport.ru/news/2012/09/22/241034.html

How many crew members for flying the aircraft! OMG

[swerve]

Is it wrong to imagine a lightened Tu22M with a HUGE AESA air to air radar and 6 R37s on a rotary launcher in the weapons' bay?

Nic

No, but it would have pretty limited uses. A good WW3 interceptor of B-52s over the Arctic Ocean, or NATO transport aircraft transporting US reinforcements to Europe. Against AWACS, that huge AESA radar would still be outclassed by the radar on the target, enabling the target to run (I know, that would only delay interception), deploy counter-measures, & call for help. Against fighters, that Tu-22M would be much more of a target than a threat.

[TR1]

How many crew members for flying the aircraft! OMG

? What do you mean?

I find it funny btw, the plane was rolled out multiple times before flying in ceremonies, and now that it actually takes off, not even a decent photo.

EDIT:
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/bmpd/...257426_600.jpg

Photo of TAPO, several uncompleted Il-114s and Il-76s.

[medal64]

? What do you mean?

I find it funny btw, the plane was rolled out multiple times before flying in ceremonies, and now that it actually takes off, not even a decent photo.

EDIT:
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/bmpd/...257426_600.jpg

Photo of TAPO, several uncompleted Il-114s and Il-76s.

I meant that its too much crew for a "new" bird, so what the glass cockpit means if there needs five people to fly an aircraft?

Its the total numbers of crew members!

http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/22406/

[MadRat]

They would revive Tu-128P if big was necessary. Why convert aircraft you are already short?

[Owlcat]

Photo of TAPO, several uncompleted Il-114s and Il-76s.

Sometime ago I read that they have switched production to car parts, what's the current state of the plant?

[Nicolas10]

No, but it would have pretty limited uses. A good WW3 interceptor of B-52s over the Arctic Ocean, or NATO transport aircraft transporting US reinforcements to Europe. Against AWACS, that huge AESA radar would still be outclassed by the radar on the target, enabling the target to run (I know, that would only delay interception), deploy counter-measures, & call for help. Against fighters, that Tu-22M would be much more of a target than a threat.

Against awacs you don't really need a radar, you just follow the giant emitter. You just need to turn the radar on to pop your R37s.

Of course fighters would be a risk, but you could operate from remote areas that fighters can't reach.

Nic

[Berkut]

I meant that its too much crew for a "new" bird, so what the glass cockpit means if there needs five people to fly an aircraft?

Its the total numbers of crew members!

http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/22406/

Eh, no. The crew is 3 to 4 people

[TR1]

Sometime ago I read that they have switched production to car parts, what's the current state of the plant?

They are switching to car parts when the final several unfinished Il-114s are done.

RIP TAPO.

[haavarla]

Against awacs you don't really need a radar, you just follow the giant emitter. You just need to turn the radar on to pop your R37s.

Of course fighters would be a risk, but you could operate from remote areas that fighters can't reach.

Nic

I like the idea.
Far-East would be the perfect playground. Together with Mig-31 and Flankers.

But realisticly.. would it not be a very expensive unit to operate?
How often do the Tu-22M3 patrol these days?

[JangBoGo]

Maybe next year we might see the first of these 1000 t/r module Zhuk-A on a MiG-29..??
http://vpk-news.ru/news/2552/

MiG-29 will receive the new AESA radar

Russian company "Fazotron-NIIR" was tasked to develop a prototype radar with active phased array antenna for the MiG-29, the agency said Jane's.

The new radar will be created based on the radar "Zhuk-A" being developed for future fighter MiG-35. Radar for the MiG-29, according to the source agency, will be 30 percent larger than the working prototype of "Bug-A" is installed on the MiG-35, which took part in the Indian tender MMRCA. Improved version of the radar for the MiG-29 (expected to be installed and the serial MiG-35) will get a thousand transceiver modules. The new radar can detect up to 60 targets at a range of 200 kilometers. Working prototype of the radar will be installed on the MiG-29M2-9.15, owned RAC "MiG" and is used to test various aircraft equipment. Time needed to create the radar as yet unknown. New radar could be included in the program of the Russian Air Force modernization of the existing MiG-29. Meanwhile, as the Jane's, the second version of the customer development "Bug-A" for the MiG-29 could be the Indian Air Force, who previously spent upgrading 62 such aircraft (54 single and eight double).

http://vpk-news.ru/news/2555/

Tu-95MS will update

The Russian Defense Ministry in 2013 will upgrade strategic bombers Tu-95MS to version Tu-95MSM.

Upgraded aircraft will last until 2020-2025 period, after which will be replaced by a new bomber, the development of which is under way in the framework of the program for the long-range aircraft aviation complex (PAK DA). In the course of the modernization program for the Tu-95MS will be replaced only electronic equipment, while the airframe and engine modifications, will not be. As expected, the Bombers set a new sighting and navigation system, which will use the new strategic cruise missiles X-101. In addition, the Tu-95MS will put navigation system based on GLONASS. Remaining amount of the long-range bombers - about 30-40 years. Nearly a hundred of Tu-95MS will undergo modernization dozens, and the rest will fall under cancellation. Participate in the program will be updated bombers Moscow Institute of Electromechanics and Automation, and the Central Research Institute of Radio Engineering Berg. Meanwhile modernized Tu-95MSM likely last longer scheduled for ten years. The fact that the project PAK DA is only in the initial stages of development and the creation and testing of the aircraft require 20-25 years. In this case, entered service, PAK DA will not immediately replace all Tu-95MSM, this process will be completed in just five - seven years. Tu-95 entered service in 1956. The aircraft is capable of speeds up to 830 kilometers per hour and fly at a distance of 10.5 thousand kilometers. Warload Tu-95MS is about 20 tons. As a part of the Russian Air Force long-range aircraft currently including 32 combat-capable Tu-95MS, nearly 60 cars in storage.

[TR1]

Speaking of Tu-95:

[Witcha]

Nice. With 60 target detection capability Phazotron has matched the Elta EL/M-2052's 64 targets. And to think MiG originally thought about approaching the Israelis because they thought Russian radar makers couldn't develop an AESA!

[El_Indigo]

Maybe next year we might see the first of these 1000 t/r module Zhuk-A on a MiG-29..??
http://vpk-news.ru/news/2552/

It's not a new radar though. And with the ongoing development of the 1000 t/r module Zhuk AESA since it was first shown. We'd likely see a lot more potent specs then the previosly reported once.

[TR1]

Indeed, this is just the full size Zhuk-AE.

[medal64]

The second Su-30cm flew

At the airport of Irkutsk aviation plant - branch of JSC "Corporation" Irkut "(part of the" United Aircraft Corporation ") continue flight tests multipurpose Su-30cm, developed by JSC" Sukhoi "and intended for the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation.

Today, September 25, for flight tests joined by a second fighter. The flight lasted 1 hour 40 minutes and passed without comment. The plane was piloted by test pilots JSC "Sukhoi": - the crew commander - Sergey Kostin, test pilot class 1 - navigator - Malovechko Pavel, navigator-honored test of Russia.

Multipurpose super maneuverable Su-30cm is a further development of the family of combat aircraft such as the Su-30MK. Specialists of JSC "Sukhoi" fighter adapted to the requirements of the Russian Air Force in terms of systems, radar, radio, and public recognition, ejection seats and a number of support systems. Also amended the composition of weapons.

The contract to supply the troops 30 multi-role fighters Su-30cm in 2015 between the Ministry of Defence and the JSC "Corporation" Irkut "signed in March 2012

http://vpk-news.ru/news/2562/

[Witcha]

What radar will the Su-30SM have? It can't be Irbis because it has a higher power requirement that can be generated only by the Su-35's 117S engines.

Will it be the phase 1 upgraded Bars with higher transmitting power that the IAF wanted for the Super-30 upgrade?

[mack8]

I suspect it's the baseline BARS (N-011M?), but tailored for RuAF.

[mack8]

Regarding AESA for MiG-29 ...testing of the full-scale 1000TRMs version of ZhuK-A was suposed to start this summer.

On another note , so should it be understood that from what can be seen so far Su-30SM won't have the OEIS system installed?

[BlackArcher]

Looks like a lot of dirt and what looks like small pebbles on the apron/dispersal area there..no wonder FOD prevention is a big thing with Russian airplanes that have low slung intakes.

[Witcha]

Regarding AESA for MiG-29 ...testing of the full-scale 1000TRMs version of ZhuK-A was suposed to start this summer.

On another note , so should it be understood that from what can be seen so far Su-30SM won't have the OEIS system installed?

OEIS? Is that a new IRST from the design bureau that developed the OLS UEM?