Key.Aero Network
Register Free

Page 3 of 25 FirstFirst 123456713 ... LastLast
Results 61 to 90 of 740

Thread: Dassault Rafale #14 - News & Discussion

  1. #61
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Asia
    Posts
    3,823
    The primary reason for a larger carrier is to finally get an AWAC on board IMO.
    If they still go for a smaller size, than they should team up with UK
    and develop an OSPREY AEW, since UK are also stuck and badly need one.
    the missile will require about five times the G capability of the target to complete a successful intercept.
    -Robert L Shaw

  2. #62
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Reading
    Posts
    10,838
    Quote Originally Posted by MadRat View Post
    I don't see any AEW options for them if they choose Rafale.
    Why not? The USA has been trying to sell E-2 to India for a few years, touting it as potentially STOBAR-capable. India could buy old S-3 out of storage or even S-2s (there are still a few around) and give 'em a thorough makeover. Look at what Brazil's done. There's no reason for the USA to refuse to sell.
    Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
    Justinian

  3. #63
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    1,237
    $10bn Rafale deal not final yet: German leader
    NEW DELHI: While not making any noise about India's decision to prefer the French Rafale fighter over Eurofighter Typhoon, Germany is still trying to negotiate with India for the over $10 billion medium-range multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) deal. Germany is one of the key nations behind the European consortium which has designed the Typhoon.

    The deputy chief of the ruling CDU-led coalition's parliamentary committee in Bundestag (lower house of Parliament) for foreign and defence affairs, Andreas Schockenhoff, told TOI on Wednesday that the last word had not yet been heard on the MMRCA deal.

    India and France are currently having "exclusive" talks over pricing and other issues for the 126-aircraft deal and the defence ministry maintains that there is no question of reviewing the decision to enter into negotiations with Rafale manufacturer Dassault Aviation.

    "There have been discussions between German and Indian officials and I can say that this is not a closed book yet,'' said Schockenoff, a close aide of Chancellor Angela Merkel, who is in India on a four-day visit.

    "As far as I know, there is not yet a commercial order committed by the Indian government. The Eurofighter manufacturers are working again on the offer and this is a subject of negotiations between the European consortium and the Indian government,'' he added.

    Schockenhoff met senior defence ministry officials, including minister of state for defence Pallam Raju, but said he had not raised the issue during his visit to India.

    Interestingly, the comments by Schockenhoff come close on the heels of remarks by a Russian government spokesperson who said India was likely to refloat the tender as negotiations between India and France had failed. Russia's MiG-35 fighter jet too was part of the bid but lost in the preliminary stages.

    Unlike as in the UK, another country associated with the Eurofighter where the reaction to India's decision bordered on the wild, the initial reaction in Germany was restrained. The government did say though that exclusive talks don't necessarily lead to actual sale.

    The Eurofighter was said to have lost out to Rafale because of cost and expensive maintenance issues and also because of Rafale's similarities to the French Mirage 2000 fighters being used by the IAF.
    “Nothing is impossible, the word itself says 'I'm possible'!”

  4. #64
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    1,237
    Indian's Rafale would remain largely produced in France
    Because of the technological complexity of the fighter, the majority of the workload in the production of 126 fighter jets to India should be provided by French companies.

    Negotiations continue to go well between Dassault Aviation and the Indian Department of Defense to reach an agreement. The two partners have not yet converted into a commercial contract the selection of the Rafale that took place in February, placing the French manufacturer as the exclusive partner for the acquisition of 126 fighters. Dassault Aviation, is reassuring on the progress of negotiations, highlighting the complexity of technical, commercial, and legal negotiations of this type of deal.

    Moreover, little is known of the industrial sharing between the two countries. Only certainty: 18 aircraft will be assembled in the factory of Dassault Merignac, Gironde and the remaining 108 in India . However, sources indicate that the French division of labor remain very much in favor of French, even believing that they would keep well over 50% of production associated with all future contract.

    That would be good news for the Franco-French supply chain of the Rafale: the manufacturer does indeed contract almost exclusively to French companies for the production of its combat aircraft. In total, 500 companies are involved mobilizing about 7,000 jobs.

    THE OBSTACLE OF TECHNOLOGICAL COMPLEXITY

    Several factors could explain this favourable share to French industrialists, despite the original tender issued by New Delhi included industrial offsets amounting to 50% of the contract value as well as technology transfer. First, as for commercial aircraft of type Boeing or Airbus , assembling a fighter represent only a modest fraction of the total value of the unit, about 15% according to some experts.

    Second Indian companies are far away from mastering the technology to produce the complex electronic equipments present in the Rafale. Their contribution could therefore be quite limited at first, and organized around elements of the fuselage, the wings, the canopy ... As to produce sub-critical assemblies of the device as the radar antenna active electronics of Thales , the mastery of these skills appears remote.

    Third, the Indian government is seeking to benefit from expertise of France and its military aircraft manufacturer, to reorganize its military aircraft industry.

    Discussion points between the Indian and French partners is not lacking, which augur yet long months of negotiations before signing the final contract.
    “Nothing is impossible, the word itself says 'I'm possible'!”

  5. #65
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    1,237
    Talks on only with French company for 126 Rafale aircraft:Govt
    Press Trust of India / New Delhi August 23, 2012, 21:20

    The Defence Ministry today said it was talking only to the French Dassault Aviation for procuring 126 Rafale aircraft under a multi-billion dollar tender.

    "We are not talking to anyone except Dassault Aviation whose Rafale aircraft has been selected as the lowest bidder in the multi-billion dollar contract," Defence Ministry sources said here.

    The Ministry was responding to reported claims made by German and Russian officials that India was discussing the contract with them and there was a possibility of the project being retendered.

    There have been questions earlier after which Defence Minister A K Antony decided to review the process to determine the lowest bidder in the deal bagged by French Rafale after defeating European Eurofighter.

    Defence Ministry has also resumed the process of negotiating the price of the 126 aircraft with French Dassault Aviation after it was halted briefly following objections from former MP Mysura Reddy.
    Also reported here
    “Nothing is impossible, the word itself says 'I'm possible'!”

  6. #66
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Posts
    445
    all the more reason why India should've chosen the Mirage 2000 in the first place.. not only would they have gotten it sooner and retire the MiG-21 earlier, but that the MiG-2000 was something they probably could've built.

  7. #67
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    3,225
    Quote Originally Posted by Italy View Post
    all the more reason why India should've chosen the Mirage 2000 in the first place.. not only would they have gotten it sooner and retire the MiG-21 earlier, but that the MiG-2000 was something they probably could've built.
    They would since Dassault offered to transfer all the manufacturing tools to India... but India passed on the offer.

    Nic
    "allah akbar": NATO's new warcry.

  8. #68
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    1,237
    Government to Obtain 126 French Rafale Aircrafts by End 2012
    In an address to a question raised by an MLA about the selection process of Rafale fighter planes, the Indian government said it is seeking to secure 126 French Rafale combat aircrafts by the end of this financial year.

    According to the Press Trust of India, the government will soon resume the contract negotiation of the multi-billion dollar deal. Defense Minister A K Antony has ordered the examination of Rafale procurement process following the former MP Mysura Reddy's blame over the selection process.

    The defense minister had earlier written a letter to Reddy stating the order given to Contract Negotiations Committee (CNC) to continue with the negotiations. "The issues raised by you were examined by Independent monitors who have concluded that the approach and methodology adopted by the CNC in the evaluation of the commercial proposals thus far has been reasonable and appropriate and within terms of the Request for Proposal and Defense Procurement Procedure." Antony said in the letter.

    He also promised Reddy that before taking any further steps the Defense Ministry would re-examine the entire process to ensure the reasonableness and fairness of the deal.

    "Before any further action is taken, the entire issue of approach and methodology adopted by the CNC to determine the L-1 vendor as well as your letter and other references received in this regard will be re-examined by the Defence Ministry to ascertain that the entire procurement process is reasonable, appropriate and as per the laid down procedure," Antony had said.

    The Indian Defense Ministry and Dassault, a French company, got into a $10.4 billion deal early February for the supply of 126 Rafale twin-jet combat aircrafts. As per the deal Indian law required the company to manufacture 18 aircrafts first before it gets into a partnership with any Indian local company.
    “Nothing is impossible, the word itself says 'I'm possible'!”

  9. #69
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    295
    Quote Originally Posted by Italy View Post
    all the more reason why India should've chosen the Mirage 2000 in the first place.. not only would they have gotten it sooner and retire the MiG-21 earlier, but that the MiG-2000 was something they probably could've built.
    They could still get it. As a matter of fact if the MRCA acquisition drags on any longer, that would become a better alternative. The original idea was for the the domestically produced deliveries to start around 2015 and carry on till about 2022 resulting in minimal overlap with the PAK FA's domestic production.

    But if HAL's deliveries of the Rafale are going to commence in 2017-18, it makes more sense to dump the plan rather than run PAKFA and Rafale production lines concurrently. In the interim, acquire Mirages from UAE, Qatar and Kuwait - unlike the IAF's Mirages which are going through a remarkably expensive upgrade, these aircraft are already top-of-the-line and have a fair bit of service life remaining.

  10. #70
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Reading
    Posts
    10,838
    Not Kuwait. Kuwait has never operated any kind of Mirage.
    Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
    Justinian

  11. #71
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Posts
    108
    Kuwait never operated Mirage 2000, but Mirage F1 was operational since 1976.

  12. #72
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    1,237
    The Rafale in a area of turbulence

    In India, there are voices to criticize the tender won in January by the aircraft manufacturer Dassault. Already, Germany and Russia say they are ready to make new proposals.
    “Nothing is impossible, the word itself says 'I'm possible'!”

  13. #73
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    1,237
    “Nothing is impossible, the word itself says 'I'm possible'!”

  14. #74
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    1,237
    “Nothing is impossible, the word itself says 'I'm possible'!”

  15. #75
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    3,225
    Quote Originally Posted by Vnomad View Post
    They could still get it. As a matter of fact if the MRCA acquisition drags on any longer, that would become a better alternative. The original idea was for the the domestically produced deliveries to start around 2015 and carry on till about 2022 resulting in minimal overlap with the PAK FA's domestic production.
    I don't think the Mirage 2000 tooling exists anymore.

    But if HAL's deliveries of the Rafale are going to commence in 2017-18, it makes more sense to dump the plan rather than run PAKFA and Rafale production lines concurrently. In the interim, acquire Mirages from UAE, Qatar and Kuwait - unlike the IAF's Mirages which are going through a remarkably expensive upgrade, these aircraft are already top-of-the-line and have a fair bit of service life remaining.
    India has always wanted to mix western and eastern sources in order to not put their egg in the same basket in case the political uncertainty. I don't think production overlap is an issue especially since the planes won't be used in the same role at all.

    Nic
    "allah akbar": NATO's new warcry.

  16. #76
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    116
    Mildave, re: your #72

    10 : le nombre de Rafale livrés ŕ l'Armée de l'Air et ŕ la Marine françaises.
    Really? 10 delivered? Damn. :diablo:

    It seems a lot of people are trying to "make" news (without too much attention to getting the facts right) at a time where the "exclusive negotiations" don't allow official progress announcements.

  17. #77
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    295
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolas10 View Post
    I don't think the Mirage 2000 tooling exists anymore.
    I was actually talking about second hand aircraft sourced from the Middle East. The Mirage's production line of course has been closed for years.


    India has always wanted to mix western and eastern sources in order to not put their egg in the same basket in case the political uncertainty.
    Actually it has preferred to mix its sources of purchase. Which is one of the reasons why the Eurocanards enjoyed a certain edge over the MiG-35. But having a diverse force cannot be an end in itself.

    Politically speaking, Russia has been as reliable an arms supplier as France. There have been questions raised regarding their business practices, but no one's worried about political hurdles standing in the way of steady after sales support. Plus the PAK-FA will probably involve greater indigenization in terms of production ŕ la Su-30 than the Rafale.


    I don't think production overlap is an issue especially since the planes won't be used in the same role at all.
    Of course they will be. They're both multi-role aircraft intended to perform the entire gamut of air operations. I suppose the Rafale will enjoy an advantage at CAS in the near future, but eventually the PAK FA will match it in that role too, especially if the IAF can get western munitions integrated into its variants. In the meantime, the Mirage 2000-5 still remains a potent aircraft that can shoulder the burden well.

    And finally, the logistical advantages of such an approach are undeniable. By 2030, every major air force except for the PLAAF will have consolidated around two or less fighter aircraft types. The IAF on the other hand will have four different types (Tejas, MKI, Rafale, PAKFA) in regular service, with possibility of yet another aircraft being operational in the same time-frame (AMCA). While it would have been good to have at least one western aircraft in that equation, realistically the Rafale is the only type that can be subtracted from it.
    Last edited by Vnomad; 29th August 2012 at 20:19.

  18. #78
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    1,219
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolas10 View Post

    India has always wanted to mix western and eastern sources in order to not put their egg in the same basket in case the political uncertainty. I don't think production overlap is an issue especially since the planes won't be used in the same role at all.
    Nic
    That was in past when there was no LCA. Now LCA can play role of fighter with Western subsystems. and French political uncertainity risk is getting higher with time due to well known dependence.
    see Libya example. Thousands of Indian lost there jobs and high Oil prices create rupee fall. All due to French.
    I dont think Russia have acted or will act in manner that will directly shake India in big way. They have much higher level understanding.

  19. #79
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    virginia beach, VA
    Posts
    226
    Just a small dig......but.....is being "decorated by Stalin himself" something to brag about?

  20. #80
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Paris, France
    Posts
    1,919
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolas10 View Post
    I don't think the Mirage 2000 tooling exists anymore.
    The first information regarding IAF interest toward Mirage 2000 were heard in 2000 or 2001, at that time, everything was still in place.

    Quote Originally Posted by JSR View Post
    That was in past when there was no LCA. Now LCA can play role of fighter with Western subsystems.
    The only problem is that LCA program is way older than the MMRCA competition.

    Quote Originally Posted by JSR View Post
    and French political uncertainity risk is getting higher with time due to well known dependence.
    What kind of "french political uncertainity" are you talking about ?

  21. #81
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    3,225
    Quote Originally Posted by JSR View Post
    That was in past when there was no LCA. Now LCA can play role of fighter with Western subsystems. and French political uncertainity risk is getting higher with time due to well known dependence.
    see Libya example. Thousands of Indian lost there jobs and high Oil prices create rupee fall. All due to French.
    I dont think Russia have acted or will act in manner that will directly shake India in big way. They have much higher level understanding.
    France is the bitch of the US/Israel. What can I say

    Nic
    "allah akbar": NATO's new warcry.

  22. #82
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    3,225
    Quote Originally Posted by 19K11 View Post
    Just a small dig......but.....is being "decorated by Stalin himself" something to brag about?
    You can't criticize communists in France.

    Nic
    Last edited by Nicolas10; 30th August 2012 at 09:49.
    "allah akbar": NATO's new warcry.

  23. #83
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Reading
    Posts
    10,838
    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzly01 View Post
    Kuwait never operated Mirage 2000, but Mirage F1 was operational since 1976.
    Oops! You're right. I'd forgotten the Mirage F.1s.

    Still, no 2000s for India to buy. IIRC the surviving F.1s were sold after the F-18s entered service.
    Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
    Justinian

  24. #84
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Near Paris (France)
    Posts
    1,448
    Quote Originally Posted by 19K11 View Post
    Just a small dig......but.....is being "decorated by Stalin himself" something to brag about?
    Stalin was the head of an allied country at the time.
    Rafale news blog by Kovy :
    http://rafalenews.blogspot.com/

    The Rafale international forum :
    http://rafale.freeforums.org/

  25. #85
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    295
    Quote Originally Posted by swerve View Post
    Not Kuwait. Kuwait has never operated any kind of Mirage.
    I stand corrected. I vaguely recalled seeing some picture of Mirage 2000s in Kuwait (probably over for training) plus the three countries were looking to coordinate a MRCA buy, so... 2+2=5.

    Edit:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A_...ert_Storm.JPEG

    Probably should have read the fine print; Emirati Mirage.

  26. #86
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    1,647
    Quote Originally Posted by 19K11 View Post
    Just a small dig......but.....is being "decorated by Stalin himself" something to brag about?
    considering they were fighting against the nazis on the eastern front alongside the russians, it is definitely something to brag about... not many units had the head of state come to decorate them personally, neither in USA and even less in USSR

    maybe a small reminder of history may be useful sometimes....

  27. #87
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Reading
    Posts
    10,838
    Quote Originally Posted by Vnomad View Post
    I stand corrected. I vaguely recalled seeing some picture of Mirage 2000s in Kuwait (probably over for training) plus the three countries were looking to coordinate a MRCA buy, so... 2+2=5.

    Edit:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:A_...ert_Storm.JPEG

    Probably should have read the fine print; Emirati Mirage.
    Except I was wrong about Kuwaiti Mirages (though not Mirage 2000s). I forgot that Kuwait operated Mirage F.1 until 20 years ago.
    Juris praecepta sunt haec: honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere.
    Justinian

  28. #88
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Location
    Paris, France
    Posts
    1,919
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolas10 View Post
    France is the bitch of the US/Israel. What can I say

    You can't criticize communists in France.
    Nicolas, could you try, please, spare us your pathetic vision of how the world is working, it's not the proper topic.

  29. #89
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    1,237
    Rafale MMRCA Deal: Last Minute Glitches?
    13:45 GMT, August 30, 2012 Media reports recently surfaced stating that the Indian Air Force’s (IAF’s) Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) deal, which had zeroed in on the French Dassault Rafale as the fighter of choice leading to commencement of exclusive negotiations with Dassault for finalising the contract, is far from final. These reports have been attributed to parties that do have a poker in the fire: Germany, which backed the Eurofighter Typhoon; and, Russia whose MiG-35 was also in the competition. German sources claim that there have been discussions between German and Indian officials on the issue and a re-worked offer for the Eurofighter Typhoon may be in the process of being finalised. For their part, Russian sources have claimed that there is strong likelihood of the tender for the MMRCA being refloated by the Indian Government.[1]

    POSSIBLE EUROPEAN COMPULSIONS

    The majority of European economies continue to be in trouble, with Spain following Greece into financial grief. Italy meanwhile remains on the brink of collapse. The healthier economies of the Eurozone, France and Germany, are hard pressed to support the weaker economies recover their health. While these two economies are healthier, they are by no means anywhere near the robustness of their heyday.[2] In this context, the $10 billion MMRCA contract is indeed a juicy prize. As noted in an earlier commentary about the Rafale on this website, the final contract value with all options exercised could go up to $ 20 billion. European defence industries facing a slowdown in domestic orders due to economic and financial woes could be expected to do their utmost to win this Indian contract by any means possible as it could be the lifeline that ensures their survival.

    IAF’S MMRCA SELECTION PROCESS

    The IAF put the six contenders through a very rigorous evaluation process and assessing them against over 600 specific parameters. It is reasonably certain that the IAF’s final selection of the Rafale and Typhoon from among the MiG-35, Gripen, F-16IN “Viper”, F-18E/F “Super Hornet”, Typhoon and Rafale is technically very sound and that the aircraft that best meets the IAF’s current and future operational requirements has been selected. Earlier disappointment expressed by the United States on the rejection of their F-16 and F-18 fighters from the competition was dealt with firmly by the Indian Government. This was despite US attempts to link the selection of an American aircraft with a possible wider strategic partnership and transfer of other advanced technology to India. Thus far, the Government of India (GoI) and IAF have been very firm on carrying out a transparent and technically correct selection of the aircraft best suited to the MMRCA requirement, which is exactly as it should be. IAF faces a multitude of challenges in the current security scenario and requires the induction of capabilities suited to effectively meeting these challenges. The Rafale deal is especially important as it is IAF’s best bet to stem and even reverse the recent and continuous fall in the combat aircraft squadrons fielded; these have reportedly fallen from a high of 39.5 Squadrons to about 32 Squadrons at present.[3]

    URGENCY OF INDUCTION

    Delays in the Rafale program are not in the IAF’s or the nation’s interest. Hence, it is hoped that the Ministry of Defence (MoD), IAF and GoI will continue to maintain that the negotiations are on track, and attempt to close the deal at an early date to facilitate early induction of the new aircraft.

    The French are likely to negotiate hard to maximise their benefits. While, based upon information available in the public domain, it is not possible to comment on the veracity of the recent German and Russian statements on the subject, there should be similar pressure on the French negotiators to successfully close the deal given the European economic situation. In addition, the fact that the Rafale has yet to find a non-French customer should be leveraged by Indian negotiators to push for an early closure on favourable terms. The payoffs to the French of a hotly contested and purely technical merits-based selection of the Rafale over other comparable aircraft could be a useful point in negotiations as this selection, followed by a sale to India, could open the floodgates for Rafale exports to other countries, giving France considerable medium and long term benefits.

    IMPORTANCE OF AN EARLY CLOSURE OF THE DEAL

    It is imperative that the IAF, MoD, and GoI stand united in staying clear of the canards being spread by interested parties to sabotage the Rafale deal for their own financial benefit. Today the Rafale is important for IAF and the nation and anything that delays the induction of the MMRCA would go against the National Interest. IAF’s falling squadron strength must be arrested at the earliest and with the LCA still at Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) stage and yet to achieve Final Operational Clearance (FOC),[4] the Rafale is the best bet for this. In any event, even with the LCA at FOC capability would not have capabilities offered by the Rafale. By design, LCA was to form the light and lower end of the IAF fighter mix, with MMRCA filling the Medium slot, and the Su-30MKI filling the heavy slot. One illustrative parameter of comparison in this regard is that while Rafale will field an Active Electronically Scanned Antenna (AESA) Radar, the LCA will in all likelihood come at least initially with a mechanically scanned radar which too is not ready as of now. So the Rafale is very important for IAF at the current time and all attention must be focussed on an early finalisation of the commercial contract. It should be kept in mind that building of the first aircraft against the India order would commence only after the contract is inked and delays in the latter would delay the delivery of the first aircraft accordingly. Also delayed at the same time would be the establishment of the assembly line in India for building the license production batch of aircraft. Indian negotiators must push for manufacture of all components and sub-components of the Rafale in India. This is important because the import of any sub-components or components would not only entail delay but also introduce possible political and sanction pressure points etc. The current time is the most suited for India since power in the current global economic situation lies with the buyer. Economies of scale and higher cost of making small batches of such components or sub-components could be an argument for opting for import of these. Here, it should be kept in mind that non-availability of an aircraft for a mission carries a far higher cost that those imposed by lack of economies of scale. IAF must have full control over its technology. This can be achieved only through complete manufacture of its equipment within India.

    CONCLUSION

    The IAF today faces a depleted number of fighter squadrons. Its plans to stem the fall in numbers hinge to a large extent on the timely induction of Rafale even as the LCA slowly progresses towards FOC. The GoI, MoD and IAF must press ahead towards an early closure of the contract so that aircraft are inducted at an early date.
    “Nothing is impossible, the word itself says 'I'm possible'!”

  30. #90
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    1,237
    BEL, Thales to form JV for civilian, defence radars
    Defence PSU Bharat Electronics (BEL) and Thales announced on Wednesday that they were set to form a joint venture to manufacture civilian and defence radars. The venture is expected to start operations within 18 months.

    This follows the decision of the directors of both companies to form the joint venture (JV) which is subject to mandatory approvals of the respective governments. The two companies had signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) about three years ago, on November 17, 2009.

    “The joint venture company will focus on the design, development, marketing, supply and support of civilian and select defence radars for Indian and global markets,” BEL said in a statement. BEL has been a major player in the electronics field in India, with the company manufacturing radars for military purposes.

    The parent companies aim to make the joint venture company a centre of excellence with the ability to offer solutions specifically aimed at meeting the needs of both Indian and global customers. Thales is most likely to tap its offsets commitment with this venture, according to defence experts.

    In accordance with Indian regulations, Thales will be able to hold only 26 per cent equity, the maximum allowed holding by any foreign company in the defence sector, while Bharat Electronics will hold 74 per cent.

    This will make BEL part of the global supply chain for Thales. Under earlier licence deals with the French company, BEL had built the Thales LW04, DA08 and ZW06 naval radars.

    Thales is expected to provide its expertise in system engineering, integration and testing, along with some technology transfer. Thales had recently demonstrated its capabilities in air defence solutions, force protection, missile systems and rocket systems, including a mobile ground C4I system for complete airspace surveillance and its mobile short-range air defence system in India.

    Thales had recently won a contract to upgrade 49 Mirage 2000s of the Indian Air Force (of which two were lost recently) to bring them to the full Mirage 2000v5 Mk 2 standards. The deal includes an RDY-3 radar with greater air-to-air and air-to-ground capability, a new night-vision-compatible all-digital cockpit, and improved electronic warfare systems.

    India’s defence procurement process requires offsets of at least 30 per cent, and it is likely that the joint venture might also satisfy offsets associated with India’s selection of the Dassault Rafale for its medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) requirement for 126 fighters. Thales is a partner in the Rafale programme.

    Work on the Mirage upgrades will be performed by Dassault, manufacturer of the aircraft, along with Thales as weapons systems integrator, MBDA as missile supplier and India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). The first two Mirages will be refitted in France, the next two by HAL in India under French supervision and the remainder by HAL.
    Thales in Australian, Indian ventures
    French defense industry giant, Thales, has announced the official launch of its munitions business in Australia and a joint venture in India for radar systems.
    Last edited by Mildave; 30th August 2012 at 20:10.
    “Nothing is impossible, the word itself says 'I'm possible'!”

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

- Part of the    Network -

KEY AERO AVIATION NEWS

MAGAZINES

AVIATION FORUM

SHOP

 

WEBSITES