Su-17, A-7 Corsair II, SEPECAT Haguar

[MSphere]

The pylons were a standard fit on Jaguar international but iirc, the missile integration was carried out in Indian service.

RAF Jaguars carried either AIM-9 or R-550 (overwing), Indian and Ecuadorean Jags had only used R-550 Magic II. Never seen any overwing missiles on Nigerian or Omani Jags, though. Omani Jaguars frequently carried AIM-9s, but always on the outward underwing pylons.

[MadRat]

mini-Phantom? I never saw the Jaguar loaded 2200 liters centreline fuel tank which Mirage F-1 loaded.

High wing fighters typically have little centerline ground clearance or it is tough for ground crews to load the wings.

[35 AoA]

That is where the Klen-PS would be sitting. But it was not installed on the twinseaters as they were intended only for conversion/training.

Got it, thanks! Beautiful example, I always liked the lines of the Su-17 family, and it looks mean in black.

[martinez]

Why is there such a technical difference between the single and 2 seaters (you'd think it would be the other way around at least)?

I like the photo, something of the F-105F Wild weasel about it.

You`re comparing two generations of Su-17 aircraft, the Su-22M4(Su-17M4) variant was equipped with the digital CVM-20-22 mission computer and the PrNK-54 weapon system with RSDN navigation (TACAN-equivalent), what reduced pilot workload and improved navigational and weapons delivery accuracy. Not sure whether the more advanced avionics demanded to save space or weight in the nose of the fuselage, but the`ve decided to get rid of the variable nose cone and optimalizing it for high speed, low level penetration. The auxiliary intake doors behind the fixed nose cone are opened inward only.

The Su-22UM-3K double seaters were based on the Su-22M3 single-seat version lacking all that above. The variable nose cone remained from the M3 variant. The auxiliary intake doors on the both sides of nose section are opened outward/inward automatically in response to pressure in the duct. For example above speeds M1.7 the auxiliary doors are opened outward, releasing air pressure within the shock wave inside the duct and with the variable nose cone, it is capable of M2.1.

At last as wrongly assumed by colleague MSphere both single seat Su-17M4 and the double seater UM-3K feature the KLEN-PS laser rangefinder/ designator.

[martinez]

The answer to your question. It shows 4 men in India and "multirole" of a wing-fence. Not untypical and several fighter carry AAMs in the wing-tip position to boost the own aerodynamic or some other stores.

Nothing new, see the BAe Lightning from the 60s about that.
http://img.planespotters.net/photo/0...Net_093597.jpg

Thanks, those pics are worth saving, installing missile above the wing cant be seen every day . Was right, only Brits could come with this craziness, BAe Lightning, another kind of weird aircraft

[MSphere]

At last as wrongly assumed by colleague MSphere both single seat Su-17M4 and the double seater UM-3K feature the KLEN-PS laser rangefinder/ designator.

I stand corrected. I have assumed that the window on the UM-3K was only a leftover from the single-seat version to increase commonality of parts and that it served no function, whatsoever

So the variable/fixed nose cone is a thing of M-3 vs M-4 version, not single-seater vs twin-seater?

[martinez]

So the variable/fixed nose cone is a thing of M-3 vs M-4 version, not single-seater vs twin-seater?

Correct, I found this to back up my words, the single seater M-3 was capable of M2.1.

[MSphere]

Thanks, one learns new things everyday.

[emile]

The shock wave core of Su-17M is fixed? Any provement?

[MadRat]

VELOS relies on continuous wave radar and is vulnerable to modern SEAD tactics and weapons. SAM batteries are most effective when concealed, which CW doesn't allow. Air dropped decoys are commonplace, too, revealing positions of active radars and allowing the dynamic targeting systems to do their thing.

[Sens]

VELOS relies on continuous wave radar and is vulnerable to modern SEAD tactics and weapons. SAM batteries are most effective when concealed, which CW doesn't allow. Air dropped decoys are commonplace, too, revealing positions of active radars and allowing the dynamic targeting systems to do their thing.

When it is misused for surveillance purposes. All serious military operate their items/systems the main threat in mind. By the way most missions are "mapping ones" in preperation to go serious one day. Having "mapped" a general lay-out a just smaller number of missions are in need to monitor changes of that. Just from that moment you are able to make some good use of your own SEAD.

[Italy]

You`re comparing two generations of Su-17 aircraft, the Su-22M4(Su-17M4) variant was equipped with the digital CVM-20-22 mission computer and the PrNK-54 weapon system with RSDN navigation (TACAN-equivalent), what reduced pilot workload and improved navigational and weapons delivery accuracy. Not sure whether the more advanced avionics demanded to save space or weight in the nose of the fuselage, but the`ve decided to get rid of the variable nose cone and optimalizing it for high speed, low level penetration. The auxiliary intake doors behind the fixed nose cone are opened inward only.

The Su-22UM-3K double seaters were based on the Su-22M3 single-seat version lacking all that above. The variable nose cone remained from the M3 variant. The auxiliary intake doors on the both sides of nose section are opened outward/inward automatically in response to pressure in the duct. For example above speeds M1.7 the auxiliary doors are opened outward, releasing air pressure within the shock wave inside the duct and with the variable nose cone, it is capable of M2.1.

At last as wrongly assumed by colleague MSphere both single seat Su-17M4 and the double seater UM-3K feature the KLEN-PS laser rangefinder/ designator.

pretty much you could argue that these Su-17M4s were as capable as the Tornado at one point, maybe even more capable than an earlier su-24

[MSphere]

Hardly as they have lacked radar. I personally count the Su-17 more in the Jaguar / MiG-27 class.

[Sens]

Hardly as they have lacked radar. I personally count the Su-17 more in the Jaguar / MiG-27 class.

I see it similar the related reductions in the all-weather attack capability from that.

[arquebus]

India is upgrading their Jaguars by fitting Honeywell turbofan engines which will greatly increase thrust. I cant believe no one has mentioned this.
http://www.honeywellforjaguar.com/
Does anyone know where this will put the thrust to weight ratio of the Jaguar? Im curious if it will now be 1 to 1.