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    With no established production line, will production even be fast though?

    Any Tu-334 orders is a big surprise to me TBH.
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    With no established production line, will production even be fast though?
    The main problem is to get a large order to start production. I agree with you, I do not think the Tu-334 will get large orders. They have a few unfinished frames which might be sold, but thats it. I assume that if production is launched, the aircraft would need more modern avionics (like An-70).

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    Quote Originally Posted by a89 View Post
    The main problem is to get a large order to start production. I agree with you, I do not think the Tu-334 will get large orders. They have a few unfinished frames which might be sold, but thats it. I assume that if production is launched, the aircraft would need more modern avionics (like An-70).
    Has anybody heard of the airline in question before?! Sounds bogus to me - not sure what ends the company is actually trying to achieve, but I doubt they match the stated intent.

    For the record, the airframe might be 100% Russian but the engines certainly are not. Avionics would probably be the least of its problems, they are largely common with the Tu-204/214 which is still in operation and production, so there is an established supply chain. Even with the An-70, "modern" isn't really the issue - it's not as though the avionics were incapable of performing their function adequately by today's standards, but as they never entered mass production certain components are simply no longer available.

    Meanwhile, another indication that parties who should know are pretty confident in the ability of the Superjet to hold its own against its established competitors:

    http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...er-rjs-380234/

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    Another news on the issue from Jakarta Post:
    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...hoi-crash.html

    He said that unfamiliarity with the route and a distraction had caused the pilots to direct the plane toward and subsequently crash into Mount Salak, near Bogor, West Java.

    “The pilots were not aware of the mountainous area surrounding the route due to various factors. As a result, they disregarded the warning signals of the plane’s Terrain Awareness Warning System [TAWS],”

    The report also mentions that a lack of information from the air traffic controller (ATC) at Soekarno-Hatta International Airport may have contributed to the crash.
    Even though the title of the article seems put all the blame on the pilot, however the report from Indonesian NTSC also put part of the blame to Jakarta ATC Operator at that time which allowing Sukhoi's Pilot request to descend to 6000 feet although (from another article) the safest minimum cruising altitude on Mount Salak area supposedly on 6900 feet.

    This report in my opinion put clean bill for Su-100 for Indonesian market, since not any in the report show any technical malfunction.

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    Got confirmation from other media (Business Indonesia), that two airlines that have outstanding order for Su-100, will continue their procurement process after the report put no mechanical or design failures from the aircraft.
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    Good to hear, though the tragedy is still terrible.
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    ^^ Nice indeed , Any official news on the number of confirmed orders for Tu-204SM ?
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    Certification test Tu-204SM will be completed in late December

    Moscow. December 20. Airports - certification test Tu-204SM is scheduled for completion at the end of December 2012, told "Aviaport" a source in the aviation industry.

    Currently, certification flights are carried out very rapidly - in two to three flights per day and flight certification program Tu-204SM will definitely completed this year, he said.

    In the Aviation Register of the Interstate Aviation Committee, weekly meetings are held at which representatives of JSC "Tupolev" reports on the ongoing work on the Tu-204SM certification, said the source.

    He reiterated that the additional certification tests are conducted only in the framework of the major changes made to the Tu-204SM, compared with the Tu-204-100. Today in Test flight certification involves two Tu-204SM, performed more than 300 flights.

    The Tu-204SM is a modernized version of the basic Tu-204-100. However, the Tu-204SM installed PS-90A2, which differ from the basic PS-90 increased the supply and reliability. The Tu-204SM install new aircraft equipment, units and systems, reduced the number of crew members.

    Moscow. December 20. Airports - certification test Tu-204SM is scheduled for completion at the end of December 2012, told "Aviaport" a source in the aviation industry.

    Currently, certification flights are carried out very rapidly - in two to three flights per day and flight certification program Tu-204SM will definitely completed this year, he said.

    The specialist noted that at present the additional certification tests conducted only within the major changes made to the Tu-204SM, compared with the Tu-204-100. Today in Test flight certification involves two Tu-204SM, performed more than 300 flights.

    The Tu-204SM is a modernized version of the basic Tu-204-100. However, the Tu-204SM installed PS-90A2, which differ from the basic PS-90 increased the supply and reliability. The Tu-204SM install new aircraft equipment, units and systems, reduced the number of crew members.

    The Tu-204SM show in Kazakhstan

    Moscow. December 20. Airports - The Tu-204SM took off on December 19 in Astana (Kazakhstan) for presentation and demonstration flights, said "Aviaport" a source in the field of aviation.

    In Kazakhstan aims prototype № 151, involved in the final stages of certification flight testing. Removal from the flight tests of the prototype to the importance of presentation aircraft in the neighboring country, said the expert.
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    The volume of government contract for the supply of the UAC in 2020, more than 100 civil and transport aircraft to exceed 200 billion rubles

    MOSCOW, December 19. / ITAR-TASS /. UAC / UAC / 2013 plans to enter into the state contract for the supply of more than 100 civil and transport aircraft. This was announced today at a press conference at the Itar-Tass Corporation President Mikhail Pogosyan.

    "In 2013, sign a contract at the beginning of the year - for the supply of aircraft in 2013-2014, during the year, complete contracting, - he said. - Discussed options like direct budget financing and leasing."

    According to him, the amount of the contract could be more than 200 billion rubles. Term aircraft deliveries 2014-2020 year, some cars can be delivered in 2013. Pogosyan said that the order will include all civil and transport aircraft, manufactured by KLA.

    Referring to the military sector, Pogosyan informed that the KLA in 2012, the Russian Defense Ministry delivered 35 aircraft, and "it is more than the volume of exports in 2012." "This trend will continue. In 2013, we will reach a new level. Volume built aircraft for the Defense Ministry should reach 70 machines," - said Pogosyan.
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    Does anybody have an idea why Irkut went with Bombardier/Shorts as nacelle provider for MS-21 GTF, rather than Goodrich who was doing nacelles for all other GTF variants including the extremely similar A320NEO and the Bombardier CSeries? Is there a tech transfer/JV agreement with Shorts?

    Also, any word about the planned 130 seater, apparently now a new design, not a stretch/shrink of SSJ/MS-21...?
    What would the engine plans be for it? A new engine via the PowerJet JV, or wholly indigenous design possibly with Western option (GTF?)?
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    Last edited by Austin; 23rd December 2012 at 07:50.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snow Monkey View Post
    Also, any word about the planned 130 seater, apparently now a new design, not a stretch/shrink of SSJ/MS-21...?
    Yes they decided to develop a new 130-140 seater aircraft based on MS-21 design and using experience of SSJ , I think they choose a new design which features all composite wing and other technologies that you would find in MS-21 is because stretching the SSJ100 design wont keep it comptitive in the coming decade in terms of Fuel Effeciency and Aerodynamics , you cant do much with a design thats already was developed for 75 seater and then 100 seater but the latter took precedence over former due to business reason.

    A clean design is always welcome as it can help you compete better and you can always factor 20 % growth potential with new design in the next 2 decades of its operation.

    Pogosyan mentioned SSJ will be further developed into high density 108 seater and a slightly stretched version of 120 seater but the 130 seater wont see the light of day unless there is a good business reason

    What would the engine plans be for it? A new engine via the PowerJet JV, or wholly indigenous design possibly with Western option (GTF?)?
    Since they want to offer maximum commonality with MS-21 Engine offering over be a version of PowerJet PW1500 series and PD-14A
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    Yeah, the new design with GTF/PD-14 options sounds like what they would need for this, it really should be equal/superior to Bombardier CS300, but with that approach it seems a reasonable goal. I was curious about future developments from PowerJet and possible uses of GTF (planned for PD-18, but scaling it down to this size seemed possible as well), but I guess not for this project.

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    I am not sure of PD-18 is on the cards perhaps some streched variant of MS-21 might use it at 18 T its too powerful for the current type but under powered for bigger type.

    PD-30 might be the future specially with the new Airplane 2020 on the card that would be a GTF type too or may be they will develop a new engine for it.
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    Nice Details on PD-14 engine from the designer , Its really an impressive engine and great accomplishment by Russians

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/24294/
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    For long time, I have avoided complaining, but, now I have to ask: What is the point of constantly linking the articles in Russian which are useless to 99.99% of us on the forum?
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    1) Austin doesn't assume ignorance of Russian on the part of every reader?
    2) Assuming some level of Russian fluency is no more unreasonable than assuming some level of English fluency when discussing UK/US programs, and links to such English-language material are widely posted onto non-English-language forums.
    3) Links to French material are also not infrequently posted on French threads.
    4) Hiding that information or pretending it doesn't exist isn't more informative than links in Russian?
    5) People are free to use machine translation (google, etc), and anybody who is able can offer a translation themself?
    6) Even if he were to offer an English translation, it's still useful to have the original information?

    Really, I think if you ask for a translation, somebody can help in many cases.
    That is what I've seen when other non-English-language material has been posted.
    I can't help you myself (with Russian) since I'm stuck relying on Google, barring gracious help from a friendly Russophone here.

    EDIT: Can somebody read the following image that was posted in comments there: http://s017.radikal.ru/i409/1209/c5/f4fbdd619e0e.jpg
    It's detailing international partners on PD-14, which seems to be a bunch of smaller Western specialist suppliers, but I don't know the details of who/what.
    I'm assuming that PD-14 is being built to be 100% sanctions proof, so those will all be consulting/licencing deals, and all manufacturing will be in Russia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomkeus View Post
    For long time, I have avoided complaining, but, now I have to ask: What is the point of constantly linking the articles in Russian which are useless to 99.99% of us on the forum?
    Neither can i read russian but I make use of translator to understand it as I am keen on learning more.

    Unfortunately most of the good stuff on development program from Russia come from Russian source and not from English website/magazines etc so not much choice but to link it.
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    Here is a comparision of PD-14 with its peers wish they had this chart in English

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    I am in France for another week, when I get back I will be happy to translate all of it.
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    That would be great if you could translate it ,Thanks
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    Nice feature on the MS-21, including what look like Siemens PLM renditions & cockpit demo (from 11:48 to 18:36):

    http://russia2.tv/video/show/brand_i...ideo_id/189692

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    Jo Asakura the cockpit looks very good indeed. Thanks.

    Did they release the cockpit pictures of IL-476 ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jō Asakura View Post
    Nice feature on the MS-21, including what look like Siemens PLM renditions & cockpit demo (from 11:48 to 18:36):

    http://russia2.tv/video/show/brand_i...ideo_id/189692
    Likely not civilian, but hmmmm...
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    Ok, I am back.
    Which charts did people want x-lated?
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    Last edited by Deano; 20th February 2013 at 09:43. Reason: COC RULE 14
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    The Yellow parameter column, from top to bottom:
    Fan diameter
    Takeoff thrust
    Bypass Ratio
    Total Compression Level
    Thrust @ Cruise
    Specific Fuel Consumption
    Number of compressor stages
    Number of staged in Turbine
    Total number of stages
    Number of shafts
    ????
    Engine Weight
    And the last two are emission reduction and noise levels.
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