Saab Gripen & Gripen NG thread #3

[J-20 Hotdog]

thread 2 here
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=90432

Last 4 Gripens to South Africa to be delivered soon.. and that's the end

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.ph...ace&Itemid=107

[J-20 Hotdog]

Defpro.com

15:30 GMT, May 9, 2012 In connection with Saab’s Gripen NG proposal to Brazil the Defence and Security Company, has expanded its planned co-operation with Aeroeletronica Ltda (AEL) of Brazil and now also includes development, production and long term logistics of the Gripen NG avionics package.

In 2009, Saab and AEL Sistemas signed a MOU (Memorandum of Understanding) identifying potential areas of co-operation under the Brazilian F-X2 Program.

Since then, AEL experienced a significant growth and capabilities evolution, which has opened new opportunities for co-operation between the companies. The existing MoU between Saab and AEL Sistemas has now been revised and further expanded and identifies projects relating areas of the development, production and long term logistics support of the Gripen NG avionics package.

Mr Vitor Jaime Puglia Neves, Vice President of AEL Sistemas S/A, stated that “I welcome the MoU between Saab and AEL Sistemas which represents an extremely important step towards the creation of a Brazilian Complete Avionics Package from AEL and respective CLS services in the Gripen NG aircraft. “

Saab’s approach to industrial co-operation covers a broad range of long term sustainable business activities focused not only on the product, delivering investment, job creation, technology transfer, manufacturing, technical support, training and scientific co-operation beneficial to Brazilian industry and the Brazilian nation.

“We are convinced that our offer is the best alternative for Brazil. Saab offers Brazilian industry a very competitive industrial co-operation package that exceeds the requirement of 100 percent of the order value”, says Saab’s Dan Jangblad, Senior Vice President and Chief Strategy Officer. “The industrial collaboration would create an even broader opportunity for Swedish and Brazilian co-operation”.

Facts about the Saab industrial offer to Brazil

In the response to Brazil Saab commits to deliver more than 175 percent industrial co-operation including offers such as:

• a broad industrial co-operation, not limited to the defence industry
• long-term industrial benefits directly relevant to Brazilian requirements
• the Gripen approach enables funding, Brazil/Swedish partnerships and export opportunities
• extensive opportunities for technology transfer creating national autonomy
• use of Brazilian technology for both defence and civil applications
• full support from our partners and the Investor network
• job creation & sustainability

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[swerve]

thread 2 here
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=90432

Last 4 Gripens to South Africa to be delivered soon.. and that's the end

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.ph...ace&Itemid=107

What about Thailand?

[Snow Monkey]

Philippines may buy fighters other than US

The Philippines is looking at arming itself for the first time with dedicated fighter jets made outside of the United States, President Benigno Aquino said Wednesday amid a territorial dispute with China.

...Aquino said that his government had asked to buy second-hand F-16s from the United States, but their maintenance costs could end up being too high because of their age.

“We might end up spending $400 million or $800 million per squadron, and we were thinking of getting two squadrons,” he said in an interview with Manila’s Bombo Radio.

“We do have an alternative, and — this is a surprise — it seems we have the capacity to buy brand-new, but not from America,” Aquino said, without mentioning the aircraft model.

“These are manufactured by another progressive country that I won’t name at this point.”

[J-20 Hotdog]

what about Thailand?

[obligatory]

Well, i think it's the S.Korea T-50 trainer

[obligatory]

Does anyone know internal fuel on D model ?
And does anyone know internal fuel on F model ?

[Scorpion82]

Internal fuel load of the twin seaters should be similar to that of the single seaters. Btw dry thrust of the F414 is around 14k lb not 10k lb.

[eagle1]

http://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/400011...du-gripen.html

The gripen selection in switzerland continues to make big waves after the last test of the gripen NG.

Mauer want to quell the rebellion coming from the swiss military and put them at silence but he is more and more isolated.

A military on the radio declares that the gripen selection process is not transparent and the military are rooting for the rafale.

[obligatory]

I remember the D had less fuel to make room for 2nd crewmember, it also did away with the gun, Unfortunately @Signatory is gone so no surebet answers available.
The F should have a greater proportion compared to E however,
since the new space provided for fuel is not at the cockpit.

Hope someone has answers

[kirtap]

Small snippet about the ongoing research with FS 2025 (Flygsystem 2025, replacement of FS2020 / Flygsystem 2020).



Semi-accurate google translation:
'In order to create capacity for the development of the Gripen fighter, other aircraft systems and next-generation avionics systems require balance and activity throughout the life cycle from research to the knowledge of the current system. Technology development is carried out against a target image and requirements definition for next-generation fighter aircraft concept, currently planned for 2040th Assumed target as "Aviation Systems 2025" (FS 2025) and the purpose of the time in 2025 that focus depends on the weight of a concrete target with relevant horizon, especially with regard to developing the concept. 2025 means that the maturity of the technology would have been reached at that time for relevant technologies for transfer to the Gripen or future concept, as well as manned unmanned. Development and demonstration of future technologies entails discretion and risk reduction, creating cost-effectiveness in the long run. Due to new Gripen needs a successful transmission occurred already by not fully mature technologies. Need for a continuing transfer can be predicted.'

[Scorpion82]

The B/D models are actually some 70 cm longer than the A/C models which may allow for retaining the fuel while addig a second seat.

[Confucius says]

http://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/400011...du-gripen.html

A military on the radio declares that the gripen selection process is not transparent and the military are rooting for the rafale.

I think what you meant to say was:
A french speaking politician (http://www.parlament.ch/e/suche/page...grafie_id=1289) with no military experience, who is rooting for cancelling the Gripen deal and starting a new competition, declares that the selection process was not transparent... :diablo:

And the rest of the story is about a "shut ... up" letter sent sometime in February. So, nothing really new after all!

The Swiss had their reasons for picking the Gripen, the Aussies had their reasons for picking the C-27, the Japanese had their reasons for picking the JSF, and the list goes on and on...

Personally, I like nimble fighters, and I can't see any western country developing a new type now, so I think that a co-developed Swedish/Swiss Gripen would be great.

[obligatory]

WoW, it's going fast now (1st link in portugese)

First Gripen E / F test is already assembled and will fly in the middle of the year.



... the main work of the Gripen Demonstrator aircraft, which was to demonstrate the feasibility and risks involved in the project is already finished. Now it's time for new aircraft factory take their place and perform the entire test campaign of the new version of the game, called E / F (E for variant monoposta, F for biposta).

Asked specifically if these aircraft were, as the Demonstrator, modified models from jet ever built, he was emphatic, saying they are new aircraft factory, and their names follow the order of the prototypes of the Gripen. The first of two planned already assembled, and received the name 39-7. The second is still at the stage of assembly, and their number is 39-8. The 39-7 already has new wings, fuselage structure and several other new items of the program, produced by Saab and the various risk-sharing partners of the Gripen NG. The forecast, according to Wilkinson, is that the first flight is done "this summer", referring to the northern hemisphere - ie, will fly in the coming months to start the whole test program version E / F. But the 39-8 will join the flight test program next year.

http://translate.google.com/translat...o-meio-do-ano/

Selex Galileo is within weeks of delivering a new version of its Raven ES-05 active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar for integration with Saab's two-seat demonstrator for the next-generation Gripen E/F.

Now in the final stages of testing at the Finmeccanica company's Edinburgh site in Scotland, the sensor will be displayed along with the Gripen at July's Farnborough air show.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...gripen-372125/

In short, not the Demo but the Gripen E/ is going to fly in a couple of months, with the Raven AESA radar

[velociraptor]

Why no-one yet seems to have considered any other explanations to the speed info from the Swiss testing in early may..? Mainly the, in my opinion, most likely one; they wanted to explore the max dry thrust capabilities of the plane..
Such testing would make a lot of sense, & reaching 1.35 Mach with those layouts, on the Demo, should reasonably result in a happy test crew, right?..

Now, for those speculating that the 1.35 Mach achived was @ full AB, such an explanation would ofcourse contradict their worldview, but the again, how realistic was that view?.. Consider the thrust increase, while pretty much all other factors regarding aerodynamics are unchanged between the D & the Demo.. & keep in mind the leaks from the program has hinted towards a small increase of the aerodynamic efficiency (3-5%)..
With dry thrust of the Demo reaching over 90% of the max thrust in full AB of the D, I'd say such an explanation would be rather likely..

[mack8]

A question please , regarding the new Gripens 39-7 and 39-8. I've looked on the net , and it seems 39-7 is associated with the Gripen NG Demo prototype we all know. So what's the story here , is 39-7 new or transformed from the NG Demo?

Also, was the Gripen NG Demo equipped with an AESA in the nose yet (Vixen-500E?) ? Or the ES-05 ( aparently the new name for Vixen-1000E-or is it 1000 ES?) is going to be installed first in 39-7 this summer?

Thanks.

PS: i'm wrong i think , Vixen-500E doesn't appear to have been installed on NG Demo, it's a small lightweight radar for the likes of T-50 aparently. So was NG Demo equipped with the PS-05 MSA then? (i se pics of it carrying AMRAAMs etc. Did it do any weapons testing?)

[Sintra]

A question please , regarding the new Gripens 39-7 and 39-8. I've looked on the net , and it seems 39-7 is associated with the Gripen NG Demo prototype we all know. So what's the story here , is 39-7 new or transformed from the NG Demo?

Also, was the Gripen NG Demo equipped with an AESA in the nose yet (Vixen-500E?) ? Or the ES-05 ( aparently the new name for Vixen-1000E) is going to be installed first in 39-7 this summer?

Thanks.

The 39-7 is a new airframe built from scratch, its not the DEMO.
The radar (Raven 1000P) that was instaled on the NG Demo was a technology demonstrator, the one that will be on the 39-7 will a prototype directly related to a future production standard.

[mack8]

Does Raven-1000P have a swashplate? And are there any pics of 39-7 and 8 under construction released by the SAAB chaps?

Thanks.

[obligatory]

Yes it's on a swashplate, i havnt seen a pic on prototype to my knowledge.
Looking at this pic, it is clear that the radar could have been a whole lot bigger without swashplate, had they wanted to

[swerve]

Also, was the Gripen NG Demo equipped with an AESA in the nose yet (Vixen-500E?) ? Or the ES-05 ( aparently the new name for Vixen-1000E-or is it 1000 ES?) is going to be installed first in 39-7 this summer?

Thanks.

PS: i'm wrong i think , Vixen-500E doesn't appear to have been installed on NG Demo, it's a small lightweight radar for the likes of T-50 aparently. So was NG Demo equipped with the PS-05 MSA then?

It's not been explicitly said, so I'll say it.

The radar which has been flying in the Gripen NG Demo is an AESA. It first flew in the NG Demo in October 2009.

The 1000 refers to the number of TRMs, as does the 500 in the Vixen 500E. I've had this confirmed by Selex corporate communications: I sent them an e-mail, & they replied.

[mrmalaya]

Is it just me or does any one else think this topic is about Gripen NG (which is plenty exciting for most people) and not about the swiss fighter competition and how it should be a French product that is bought.

I would have thought that posts belittling the Gripen NG in favour of Rafale should be firmly in the Rafale thread- because they are the only people who can't let it go.....

I am new to this topic (although i have been following it with interest). Are there any details about airframe RCS reduction measures that will be taken?

[obligatory]

The infamous DSI & more composites replacing metal, & other details,
otherwise i'm dead certain that the new model is not the major redesign the SwAF wanted by 2025-30, (prototype)
they got this model as to coincide with Swiss AF etc.

[Loke]

Loke's translation:

Right now a new test plane is being prepared, which, according to Buskhe, is one ton lighter, will have a new engine, new flight control system and new avionics.

Google translate:
http://translate.google.se/translate...en_7227541.svd

[LowObservable]

Quite the story there, Loke.

So for anyone in the vicinity of Linkoping, here is what a French spy might look like. Be alert!

[TooCool_12f]

damn! I knew I should've applied for the secret services...

[obligatory]

Sweden's Saab Invests In Brazil's Aerospace Defence Industry


(Source: Bernama; published May 30, 2012)



RIO DE JANEIRO --- Sweden's premier defense and security company - Saab - is strengthening its relationship with a Brazilian company involved in aero-structures.

Saab, manufacturer of the Gripen jet fighter that has partnered in the past with the company Akaer, said it is now financially investing in the company, local media reported.The Gripen fighter jet flown by six countries and Saab wants to add Brazil to its list.

The investment is equivalent to a 15% stake in Akaer, whose advisory board will now include the Swedish company......
....

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...-industry.html

[TooCool_12f]

er, I have an impression of "deja-vu"

didn't they already say that some six months ago? (SAAB & Akaer getting closer, etc... )

[obligatory]

This is step 2:

strengthening
15% stake
advisory board will now include the Swedish company

in other words fusing

[killerbean]

The infamous DSI & more composites replacing metal, & other details,
otherwise i'm dead certain that the new model is not the major redesign the SwAF wanted by 2025-30, (prototype)
they got this model as to coincide with Swiss AF etc.

Any CGI or model pics available of the Gripen NG with the infamous DSI and other mods ?

[obligatory]

No, i havnt seen a single pic unfortunately,
but the first flight is expected this summer, so the roll-out should be imminent