Russian Space and Missiles thread #5

[Rodolfo]

I don’t think so. 40N6 is from the "P" family.

[Rodolfo]

Avangard as the "Land Bulava" with up to 10 MARV and better acceleration parameters than Topol-M and Yars

http://kommersant.ru/doc/1941514

Awesome

[WinterStars]

What I find interesting, if this is true, is the length of the Missile. For quick reference ...
RT-2UTTKh - ca 22m
RSM-56 - ca 12m

At two thirds the length of RT-2UTTKh, a Land Bulava should be easy to move around making the life of the driver easier and Putin can have his wish of having new ICBMs paraded in the Red Square. This would make it much more mobile than the already mobile RS 24.

On the down side, a Land Bulava would have low throw weight. An MIRVed Bulava would be restricted to a max of half a dozen 150kt warheads at best. Considering no Nuke test were done since the late 90s (barring sub critical tests) I don't think there exists new Warhead designs in Russia (or USA) which have been validated to fit 10+ medium yield (~300 kt) in 1.2 mt throw weight (with Bus, penaids ...). Improvement in CEP is one thing, but there is no substitute for throw weight. Even if the maneuvering RV is a marvel, the compromise on throw weight is too much.

RS-24 already have short burn time and high acceleration and now this is supposed to improve on that.
Any idea on the length of the new missile, throw weight, propellants etc or it is just what it says, Land Bulava?

[Austin]

Check these links via russianforces.org

http://www.yubileyny.ru/index.php/novine/1978
http://yubik.net.ru/publ/23-1-0-4769

If the translation is right

It says what was tested last week was Avangrad-R
It says "development of technical proposals for R & D "inevitability" and "Good", conducted in the interests justify the establishment of promising RK stationary and mobile (train) home"

So the heavy liquid ICBM will be Silo Based and Train based ?

[WinterStars]

Have the propellants been changed or are they the same?
Do you have links about this Bus-less design of the Bulava/Avangard system? This is news to me.

[Rodolfo]

What I find interesting, if this is true, is the length of the Missile. For quick reference ...
RT-2UTTKh - ca 22m
RSM-56 - ca 12m

At two thirds the length of RT-2UTTKh, a Land Bulava should be easy to move around making the life of the driver easier and Putin can have his wish of having new ICBMs paraded in the Red Square. This would make it much more mobile than the already mobile RS 24.

On the down side, a Land Bulava would have low throw weight. An MIRVed Bulava would be restricted to a max of half a dozen 150kt warheads at best. Considering no Nuke test were done since the late 90s (barring sub critical tests) I don't think there exists new Warhead designs in Russia (or USA) which have been validated to fit 10+ medium yield (~300 kt) in 1.2 mt throw weight (with Bus, penaids ...). Improvement in CEP is one thing, but there is no substitute for throw weight. Even if the maneuvering RV is a marvel, the compromise on throw weight is too much.

RS-24 already have short burn time and high acceleration and now this is supposed to improve on that.
Any idea on the length of the new missile, throw weight, propellants etc or it is just what it says, Land Bulava?

I don’t think Avangard is just the Bulava launched from a TEL. Bulava and Avangard will likely be like the SS-N-20 & SS-24 combo. So the first-midget stage of the SLBM will be exchanged by a much larger first stage better suited for ICBMs. In the end a 2 tn payload (10 warheads from the current 6 of the RS-24) should be expected.

[WinterStars]

I don’t think Avangard is just the Bulava launched from a TEL. Bulava and Avangard will likely be like the SS-N-20 & SS-24 combo. So the first-midget stage of the SLBM will be exchanged by a much larger first stage better suited for ICBMs. In the end a 2 tn payload (10 warheads from the current 6 of the RS-24) should be expected.

I was thinking of the same thing too... A much larger first stage using the same propellants can easily take the throw weight to 2 mt, which would be very reasonable for a road mobile ICBM. Even then it should easily be less than the 22m length of the RT-2UTTKh.

The concept of a 16-18 m long road mobile ICBM sounds too good to be true.
Do you have further specs about this new missile? I am really curious about the Bus less MIRV tech for the Bulava. Any sources?

[WinterStars]

So the heavy liquid ICBM will be Silo Based and Train based ?

Most likely the heavy liquid ICBM won't be moving around. So it would go into UR100N/R36M2 silos when they retire.

[Rodolfo]

The concept of a 16-18 m long road mobile ICBM sounds too good to be true.

I guess it will be around 20 m. That’s more in line with the size of Russian ICBMs. That length with the same Bulava diameter (2 m) lead to an estimated mass of 60 tn. Damm! That’s the exact payload to carry 10 warheads in the same way RS-24 carry 6 warheads within a 1.2 tn payload.

Do you have further specs about this new missile? I am really curious about the Bus less MIRV tech for the Bulava. Any sources?

No. Just educated guesses with the little open source info. The whole thing looks approximately like that:

- Topol-M: One big MARV (750 kT) in a 1.2 tn payload.
- RS-24: Minor improvements over Topol-M with six 100 kT MIRV in a 1.2 tn payload.
- Avangard: No so minor improvements. Bulava tech migrated to the ICBM to carry up to ten MARV in around 2 tn payload.

Just an opinion.

[Rodolfo]

Labelled as a photo of the new Avangard ICBM launch in http://www.militaryphotos.net/

[Dark]

It doesn't Avangard missile

According to the official report, the missile launch took place at 10:15 MSK from a mobile launcher deployed at the Plesetsk launch site.

[TR1]

Could be footage from the first Avangard launch, that took place in late fall/winter right?

[Dark]

ould be footage from the first Avangard launch,

The launch 27 September took place at 11:08 MSK (07:08 UTC)

[Rodolfo]

The new early warning network is taking shape





Voronezh-M antenna near Irtkusk



Really impresive 30 m x 60 m = 1800 m2

[Rodolfo]

Podvig crying for a new early-warning satellite command center

http://russianforces.org/blog/2012/0...e_early-.shtml

[Rodolfo]

Is Russia building an NMD without declaring this objective? Let us see some trends:

- Gen Ostapenko claimed further Voronezh type radars will be built in Pechora, Barnaul, Yeniseysk, Murmansk and Omsk. Add this to the ones on Lekthusi, Armavir, Kaliningrad and Mishelevka and you will find a very dense and redundant Early warning network.
- Don 2NP was already deeply modernized.
- The modernization of 53T6 is going on and its fuels and engines are produced again. So, more interceptors are coming.
- S-500 will have missiles able to take object with ballistic speeds up to 7 km/s (ICBMs) and satellites. The thing will be MOBILE and able to attack objects at heights around 150 km.
- Work is in progress on MARS (or whatever the name), the X-band mobile AESA with tracking capability up to distances well beyond 1000 km. Funding seems to be flooding the project.
- There are rumors about reloading the Moscow ABM system with long range interceptors to replace the retired Gorgons in the long term. But the replacement may also be mobile (!)
- Again. Money is flooding but there are no declared projects.

Thoughts? Thanks.

[djcross]

Russia test fires new Topol-M missile

[Rodolfo]

Toward Sary Shagan. Likely testing a new warhead.

[Austin]

According to rian and itar-tass they tested the SS-24 Topol and not Topol-M

[Lonevolk]

Toward Sary Shagan. Likely testing a new warhead.

Looks like the missile was visible throughout the Middle East...

UFO or missile? Mystery lights raise havoc in Israel
http://www.rt.com/news/israel-ufo-missile-337/

[soyuz1917]

http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/18408/

4th S-400 regiment goes live. Delivered to the far east military district this is the first S-400 regiment pointed at China. Today there are 2 regiments around Moscow, 1 in Kaliningrad and now this one based in the east.

[Rodolfo]

Armavir radar ahead of schedule

http://en.ria.ru/mlitary_news/20120619/174129770.html

[Rodolfo]

The most comprensive page about the 53T6 interceptor. In claims also there are tests of mobile launchers. :diablo:

http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-350.html)

[Rodolfo]

Gazelle transporter with cammo and a cammo net

http://www.structure.mil.ru/images/m...02_2315-03.jpg

Why?

[JangBoGo]

Proton Carrier Rocket (RIA Novosti INFOgraphics)

[JangBoGo]

Gazelle transporter with cammo and a cammo net

http://www.structure.mil.ru/images/m...02_2315-03.jpg

Why?

doesn't that net also has some radar absorbing job as well?

[Rodolfo]

But why? The transporter just moves the missile from the factory to the silo. It is not a TEL. Hidden silos outside the Moscow ring?

PD: The development of a TEL for the 53T6M is rumored.

[TR1]

http://lenta.ru/news/2012/06/27/s400/

Sources in the military-industrial complex say China will be the first S-400 export customer. They will receive units after domestic needs have been met, likely no sooner than 2017.


Good stuff .

http://www.ria.ru/defense_safety/201...685981382.html

5th S-400 polk scheduled for September this year.

[Jō Asakura]

Tracked 'Pantsir S-1':



More:

http://saidpvo.livejournal.com/72411.html

[Dark]

http://ria.ru/arms_news/20120628/687250921.html