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    PLAN News Thread #4

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    PLAN Naval vessel visits India. Beginnings of new bed buddies

    http://europe.chinadaily.com.cn/chin...t_15252096.htm

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    Taiwan monitors Chinese naval moves

    http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/fron.../10/2003532432

    Taiwan monitors Chinese naval moves
    CURVEBALL:In exercises that could threaten Taiwan as much as the Philippines, five Chinese warships passed through the Taiwan Strait before heading for the Pacific
    By J. Michael Cole / Staff reporter

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    The Ministry of National Defense is paying close attention to ongoing maneuvers southeast of Taiwan by a fleet of Chinese navy vessels that includes one of the heaviest combat ships in the People’s Liberation Army Navy.

    According to Japanese media, the Japan Self-Defense Forces first spotted the group of five Chinese vessels 650km southwest of Okinawa on Sunday after they had crossed the Strait of Miyako.

    The five vessels from the Chinese navy’s South Sea Fleet — Type 052B destroyers Guangzhou and Wuhan; Type 054A frigates Yulin and Chaohu; and Type 071 landing platform dock (LPD) Kunlun Shan — left from Hainan Island and entered the Taiwan Strait, before making a right turn about 180km off Taiwan.

    At 18,000 tonnes, the Kunlun Shan is one of the largest combat vessels in the Chinese navy. The LPD, which can support a reinforced battalion of as many as 800 marines and can carry landing craft and medium-sized helicopters, took part in anti-piracy operations in the Gulf of Aden in 2010.

    After entering the Pacific, the vessels conducted tactical formation and helicopter training missions in international waters about halfway between Taiwan and the main Philippine island of Luzon.

    Aside from a Taiwan contingency, Chinese LPDs could play a crucial role in operations in the South China Sea against countries such as the Philippines and Vietnam, with which Beijing has become embroiled in disputes over contested islets.

    Commenting on the developments, Deputy Minister of National Defense Chao Shih-chang (趙世璋) told the legislature’s Foreign Affairs and National Defense Committee yesterday that the ministry was closely monitoring the Chinese fleet and that it would continue to pay attention to its movements.

    “Because the fleet is in international waters, its presence does not threaten Taiwan’s security for the moment,” he said.

    Chao said the ministry believed the Chinese fleet was on a routine training exercise and that it was normal for any country to train their navy in international waters.

    An unnamed navy official told the Chinese-language Liberty Times (the Taipei Times’ sister newspaper) that the navy was studying the fleet’s intentions and monitoring whether it would -return to China by the same route or move to another area.

    The rapidly modernizing Chinese navy has increased the frequency of its sorties in recent years. A number of those, the latest in February, have made encirclement-like maneuvers around Taiwan.

    Many sorties have also taken Chinese vessels to waters near Japan and beyond the first island chain, which Beijing regards as an artificial line preventing it from breaking out as a sea power.

    On April 29, three Chinese warships — Type 054A frigates Zhoushan and Xuzhou; and the electronic reconnaissance and missile tracking ship Beijixing — were seen 430km west of the Japanese island of Yakushima in Kagoshima Prefecture. It was the first time in nine years that Chinese navy vessels had passed through the Osumi Strait, which serves as a main transit route for the US Seventh Fleet.

    Late last month, the Japanese military reported that Japan Air Self-Defense Force fighter aircraft were scrambled 156 times in response to Chinese naval aircraft approaching Japanese airspace last year, a record high since the Japanese military started releasing such data by country in 2001.

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    Not the prettiest stern I've ever seen... Are we looking at 2 small UAV hangars or simply passage ways?

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    Varyag left port again ... now her 7. cruise !
    ...

    He was my North, my South, my East and West,
    My working week and my Sunday rest,
    My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
    I thought that love would last forever; I was wrong.

    The stars are not wanted now; put out every one:
    Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun;
    Pour away the ocean and sweep up the woods:
    For nothing now can ever come to any good.
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    First 056 swimming too (pics CDF)

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    J-15 begin seen on the deck of the carrier. but not sure if it is flying on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigershark View Post
    J-15 begin seen on the deck of the carrier. but not sure if it is flying on it.
    Are You sure ??? ... or is it simply the mock up we've seen some tme ago ?

    Deino
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    He was my North, my South, my East and West,
    My working week and my Sunday rest,
    My noon, my midnight, my talk, my song;
    I thought that love would last forever; I was wrong.

    The stars are not wanted now; put out every one:
    Pack up the moon and dismantle the sun;
    Pour away the ocean and sweep up the woods:
    For nothing now can ever come to any good.
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    Lightbulb

    056 Corvette :





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    Quote Originally Posted by snake65 View Post
    056 launched
    why have they blurred the props? In some other photo they have also blurred what looks like sonar blub.

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    Self-censorship by some of the guys who make the photo's.

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    ^ Snake,
    Yes, I was surprised at that censorship... coz I dont understand whatz so special about its propellers or the mission of this ship.


    A good illustration for the Type-071. Indian Navy should be have something on this line as their LPD.



    Btw, anyone planning for a dedicated thread for Shi Lang??....a dedicated thread for the carrier is needed.

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    WOW! Great design there. It is telling when China can design and build its own LPDs while Russia has to import Western designs...

    Will it have axis thrusters likes Western LPDs/LPHs or just conventional propellers?

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    Relevant to the PLAN's future plans...?

    http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=15384

    Russian Professors Sentenced for Selling Bulava Secrets to China

    St. Petersburg City Court gave sentence to two professors of Baltic State Technical University (Voenmech) founded guilty of espionage for China. Yevgeny Afanasiev got 12.5 years of close confinement, and Svyatoslav Bobyshev – 12 years, reports Interfax.

    According to a source in security agencies, the teachers were charged of providing China with secret information about submarine-based ballistic missile Bulava and its developer, Moscow Thermotechnics Institute. According to investigators, the accused persons being on working trip in China in May-June 2009 handed over classified information to Chinese intelligence service for pecuniary reward.

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    Recall that in May 2012 an employee of defense-oriented enterprise Alexander Gniteyev was sentenced to 8-year long confinement for transfer of Bulava secrets to foreign intelligence. The country he used to spy for was not named.
    Looks like China's been looking at the Russian Navy's modernization plans for a while now.

    When will we see the Chinese Bulava on the Type 94 SSBN?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witcha View Post
    WOW! Great design there. It is telling when China can design and build its own LPDs while Russia has to import Western designs...
    Oh come on, compare size of economies, what miracles do you expect out of Russia?

    Though I think Russia should build a similar ship domestically instead of Mistrals.
    http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9098/rsz11rsz3807.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witcha View Post
    WOW! Great design there. It is telling when China can design and build its own LPDs while Russia has to import Western designs...

    Will it have axis thrusters likes Western LPDs/LPHs or just conventional propellers?
    In the case of Russia, there are a lot of $hity guys up there who are probably filling their pockets with these decision to import. Its not that Russia lack the capability, but to make it happen one needs a vision and much needed funding which is still lacking except for the most critical projects.

    The 071 does not have thrusters as per the illustration. Btw, Cavour have two thrusters one at the bow and the other at the stern. Need to see if the IAC-I have retained the thrusters.

    w.r.t Baluva secrets....what could it be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JangBoGo View Post

    w.r.t Baluva secrets....what could it be?
    I'll default to Artjomh here:
    http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...=1#post6234890
    http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9098/rsz11rsz3807.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witcha View Post
    WOW! Great design there. It is telling when China can design and build its own LPDs while Russia has to import Western designs...
    1 design was chosen for import (a first in recent - post ww2 - history)

    It is not a given that Russia cannot design it own LPD (choosing not to is a different thing). See e.g. Ivan Rogov class (Project 1174).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Ro...s_landing_ship

    And then there's a few that were designed but never built e.g:

    Project 10200





    Project 11780







    And others:


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    Chinese Submersible Dives Below Record 7,000 Meters
    07:43 24/06/2012
    BEIGING, June 24 (RIA Novosti)

    A manned Chinese submersible set a new record for the country’s deepest ever sea dive at over 7,000 meters (some 23,000 feet) on Sunday morning, Xinhua reported.

    The Jiaolong submersible, named after a mythical sea dragon, dived 7,015 meters into the Mariana Trench in the western Pacific Ocean at around 11 a.m. local time.

    The dive, the fourth since the submersible arrived in the area earlier this month, started at 7 a.m. on Sunday in heavy rain, the report said.

    In July last year, the Jiaolong broke through the 5,188-meter mark in an ocean dive, and have since succeeded in reaching the depth of 6,671, 6,965 and 6,963 meters in its previous three dives earlier this month.

    The four dives have proven that the submersible’s performance is “stable” and that the the crew’s skills are improving, mission chief commander Liu Feng was quoted as saying.

    China has previously said its submersible program is aimed at scientific research and exploration of mineral resources on the deep seabed.
    Aren't they based on the Mir submersible?

    And how much feasible is this one from Virgin?
    http://en.rian.ru/infographics/20110415/163532312.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanshan View Post
    It is not a given that Russia cannot design it own LPD (choosing not to is a different thing). See e.g. Ivan Rogov class (Project 1174).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Ro...s_landing_ship
    Exactly - Type 071 is NOT an LHD (Landing ship - Helicopter - Dock; the Helicopter part implying a trough-deck aviation capability as opposed to rear-deck) like Mistral, it is an LPD comparable to the successful Pr.1174. There is a Type 081 rumoured to be under development which would be configured as a LHD, but no firm info so far.

    Quote Originally Posted by JangBoGo View Post
    In the case of Russia, there are a lot of $hity guys up there who are probably filling their pockets with these decision to import. Its not that Russia lack the capability, but to make it happen one needs a vision and much needed funding which is still lacking except for the most critical projects.

    The 071 does not have thrusters as per the illustration. Btw, Cavour have two thrusters one at the bow and the other at the stern. Need to see if the IAC-I have retained the thrusters.
    Quote Originally Posted by TR1 View Post
    Oh come on, compare size of economies, what miracles do you expect out of Russia?

    Though I think Russia should build a similar ship domestically instead of Mistrals.
    Part of the rationale behind the Mistral purchase is basic technology acquisition in terms of modular construction and electric propulsion, something indigenous development would not provide as quickly. Both will stand the Russian naval industry in good stead not only in the military market but make their civilian production more competitive as well.

    As Wanshan says, it was a choice, not a necessity and (though the need for such ships debatable) it was fundamentally not a stupid one - there are currently other Russian programmes that are FAR more questionable.

    Sorry for digressing!

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    Here's some interesting news from Reuters:

    China starts 'combat ready' patrols in disputed waters


    Its been a long time coming but China finally seems ready to flash a bit of military muscle over the Spratleys. Vietnam don't look to be doing too much backing down either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trident View Post
    Part of the rationale behind the Mistral purchase is basic technology acquisition in terms of modular construction and electric propulsion, something indigenous development would not provide as quickly. Both will stand the Russian naval industry in good stead not only in the military market but make their civilian production more competitive as well.

    As Wanshan says, it was a choice, not a necessity and (though the need for such ships debatable) it was fundamentally not a stupid one - there are currently other Russian programmes that are FAR more questionable.

    Sorry for digressing!
    Exactly... a major part of the contract was for France to help modernize the Russian shipyard for modern construction techniques.

    Russia could have built some LHDs using the old methods, but they would cost more (higher skilled manpower needs) and take longer, whereas building the same designs in a modernized shipyard would cost less (more "build-to-blueprint" less "make to general plan & modify to fit"), and would be faster (more pre-fabrication in secondary sites with only final block assembly on the slipway/graving dock)..

    This has ramifications far beyond just the LHDs... this will change Russian shipbuilding for decades to come, as other shipyards are updated by the Russians using the info from the Mistral contract.

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    Youtube: Ex-Varyag returning from its 8th sea trial

    China's first aircraft carrier, the refurbished and modernized Ex-Varyag, returns from its 8th sea-trial in the Bohai Gulf on 21st June 2012 that lasted 14 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ink View Post
    Here's some interesting news from Reuters:

    China starts 'combat ready' patrols in disputed waters


    Its been a long time coming but China finally seems ready to flash a bit of military muscle over the Spratleys. Vietnam don't look to be doing too much backing down either.
    They are sending cutters over there to do patrols. These aren't exactly military grade ships. They are not even equipped with anything outside of machine guns.

    What is this about Vietnam not backing down? Vietnam's best course of action is to complain to the world that it's been bullied by the big bad Chinese. It certainly has nowhere near the military power to pose challenge to PLAN SSF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tphuang View Post
    What is this about Vietnam not backing down? Vietnam's best course of action is to complain to the world that it's been bullied by the big bad Chinese. It certainly has nowhere near the military power to pose challenge to PLAN SSF.
    Vietnams best course of action is to patrol its claims with the exactly the kind of comprehensively equipped escorts its been buying. In that scenario, if China wants to demonstrate a presence, a significant deployment from the SSF will have to be made. China loses either way then as if it doesnt overmatch the Vietnamese its not backing its claims and if it does dispatch a multi-unit force its providing the very visible evidence of the 'big bad Chinese' you mention for general international tut-tutting!.

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    an interesting illustration..


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    Come on guys! Somebody runs a Chinese FFG onto a shoal and nobody has anything to say about it?!

    Usually that is a career ending event for the captain and navigator...
    Because sometimes in life we need a bit of fun

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXNAp3mKepc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedaykin View Post
    Come on guys! Somebody runs a Chinese FFG onto a shoal and nobody has anything to say about it?!

    Usually that is a career ending event for the captain and navigator...
    And she was freshly modernized, nav systems up-to-date... Is the area poorly charted or what?

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    They're shoal waters...if you have a decent current and a lot of sediment drift the subsurface topography can change over even a short period of time.

    The presence of the frigate in the claimed Philippines EEZ is no real surprise and neither is a surface ship getting caught out by an unanticipated sandbar in my view. You could question the performance of the duty watchstanding team, and the ships captain may have to answer questions in that regard, but it would be harsh to comment without knowing more about the conditions at the time.

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