Argentine Malvinas/Falklands cartoon special

[Fedaykin]

Well with some idle reading of recent news online I discovered Argentine TV showed this children's cartoon special the other day.

Its a real hoot albeit I'm surprised how accurate the portrayal of Sharkey ward was! I need somebody who can translate Spanish but it has nasty British pirates, even the old myth they hit one of carriers is peddled. Probably the first time I have seen air to air combat form part of an early years children's program Of course they show a possible happy ending with the children of the Islanders and Argentine children playing together on an Argentine ruled Malvinas with the fathers of the nation looking on from the sky! A real puke making chuckle fest!

I'm looking forward to the episode of Postman Pat where he travels back in time to 1982 in his bright red van and travels to the Falklands. Where he will meet the brave British Paras and Commandos who helped throw the Argentine colonial occupiers off the Islands returning it to the Falkland Islanders. Peppa pig will fly down in Vulcan 607 and Sooty will join the naval task force...

Anyhow thanks to Youtube enjoy!

La Asombrosa Excursión de Zamba en las Islas Malvinas

[Fedaykin]

Oh there is a sing along as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv17g...feature=relmfu

[Fedaykin]

Before any mods ask there is A Super Etendard and Sea Harrier in the cartoon.

All military aviation related

[Jackonicko]

Presumably the Argies want the Falklands back because they're planning on handing the mainland back to Spain, or to the pre-Spanish indigenous peoples?

[Dr Strangelove]

Got to love the Skull painted on the Sea Harrier lol

[J Boyle]

Dub it in English and the BBC would probably show it.

[EELightning]

Finally! Argentina release their version of the war. However, they got at least one thing wrong. The Islands are called 'The Falklands' not 'The Malvinas'. Their kids are going to end up being proper thick planks with history lessons like this.

To keep it an aviation discussion*

I feel the need, somewhat cruelly, to walk into an Argentine primary school and read them Dave Morgan's Hostile Skies. With some brouchers from BAE Systems about the Typhoon, Class 45 Destroyer etc "accidently" slipped inbetween random pages. 'Ooops, what are these that have fell to the floor? (No not your lot) Ah these'll be interesting, let me read these out to you too. Btw children, the reason why I'm speaking in English is because they do on The Falklands too, as in the United Kingdom of Great Britian and Northern Ireland.' :diablo:

[Fedaykin]

Well as I said I'm writing to CBBC right now for a UK early years cartoon of the war.

[Al]

Strange they should portray the Brits as Aryans...

[quadbike]

How a country can claim anything thousands of miles off its borders is beyond me.

Falklands are one of the last remnants of Colonialism and one day i hope they will be won back militarily by the Argies (may be with the help of a radicalised Brazil !)

[Vnomad]

How a country can claim anything thousands of miles off its borders is beyond me.

Falklands are one of the last remnants of Colonialism and one day i hope they will be won back militarily by the Argies (may be with the help of a radicalised Brazil !)

Were you serious there or were you joking?

The Falklands were uninhabited before being settled by the Europeans. Hardly an example of colonialism as we know it. Its people choose to be a part of the British realm - why would you want to see its population militarily forced to live under an Argentinian flag instead?

Though to be fair British claims of sovereignty over South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands certainly have no basis.

[633squad]

"How a country can claim anything thousands of miles off its borders is beyond me. "

Hawaii anyone, as the people who live there wish to remain part of the U.S. why should it be different for the Falkland islanders ?

I always had the thought if the Argentinians had not have invaded they would have owned/part owned the islands by the end of the Eighties, but once blood has been spilled, very difficult.

Cheers

633

[MSphere]

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[MSphere]

"How a country can claim anything thousands of miles off its borders is beyond me. "

Hawaii anyone, as the people who live there wish to remain part of the U.S. why should it be different for the Falkland islanders ?

Which other country is claiming rights for Hawaii?

[Avgas]

How a country can claim anything thousands of miles off its borders is beyond me.

Falklands are one of the last remnants of Colonialism and one day i hope they will be won back militarily by the Argies (may be with the help of a radicalised Brazil !)

I bet if you happen to be an inhabitant of the Falklands you wouldn't be saying that! Put yourself in their shoes instead of sitting in your ivory tower! Wanting the Argies to attack our own people amounts to treason!

[633squad]

"Which other country is claiming rights for Hawaii? "

Nobody, but the point i was trying to make is "self determination" of the people living there 2500+ miles from the us mainland, in response to the comment

"How a country can claim anything thousands of miles off its borders is beyond me"

I do realize Hawaii is a U.S. state but the Falklands are a British overseas territory

[Jackonicko]

The Falkland Islands were discovered in 1600 by a Dutchman and named as the Sebald Islands.

They were uninhabited.

A Brit then ‘rediscovered them’.

The French founded a settlement in 1764, and did not claim the Islands.

The Brits founded another, unaware of the French settlement, and claimed the islands for His Majesty in 1765.

This was before the Spanish took over the French settlement in 1767. Britain therefore has a prior claim even if you allow for Argentina ‘inheriting’ the claim from their former Colonial power, Spain.

Spain attacked the British settlement in 1770, briefly expelling the Brits, who returned under the subsequent treaty.

Both nations withdrew their settlements (in 1774 and 1806) but continued to assert sovereignty.

Argentina's claim rests on an incident in 1820, when the captain of a damaged ship sought shelter in Falklands waters and claimed the islands on behalf of the United Provinces of the River Plate.

Luis Vernet established a settlement in 1828 with authorisation from the Republic of Buenos Aires and Great Britain, and requested protection from both countries.

The settlement was destroyed by a US warship in 1831 (suspected of being a gang of pirates!) and in 1832 Argentina attempted to found a penal settlement on the islands, but were expelled by the Brits that year.

There was no genuine settlement up to that point (it was more a temporary base for exploration/military use/etc.).

The islands have been British ever since, and have been genuinely settled since then.

Argentina claims the islands on the basis of 'posession' for a period of about 12 years, and on the basis of a previous 39 year period of Spanish settlement that had ended 14 years before Argentine claims began.

Argentina's claims are no less 'colonialist' than Britains. Argentines are not the indigenous or natural inhabitants of the islands (and indeed have 'ownership' of mainland Argentina only on the basis of a bloody and brutal colonialist take-over). When are they going to hand Buenos Aires back to the indigenous Indians? When will the USA disband and give the land back to the native Americans? Long distant history cannot be the basis of today's political reality.

Britain's claims date back further, and British occupation has been much longer.

But most importantly, the people of the Falklands, who have occupied the islands for 180 years (more than ten times longer than any Argentine settlement) have the right to self determination, and do not want to be Argentine.

[jbritchford]

I think the problem here, Jacko, is that any one of half a dozen countries could have discovered the Falklands, it simply isn't clear.

In any case, the 'we go here first' argument hardly holds water - tell it to the natives of North or South America (Argentina included!). If the people there want to be British, then they should be allowed to. Given that the UK is going potentially going to be waving goodbye to Scotland (and I for one would be very sad to see them go ), I hardly think that we can be accused of holding anyone against their will.

[MSphere]

You guys habve some weird reasoning when it comes to Falklands. Let me give you an analogy - imagine USA taking uninhabited Jemur islands in Indonesia, choosing few dozens of US citizens to settle there, helping them out to build some basic infrastructure and them asking them in a referendum poll:

Do you want this island to be a part of the USA or Indonesia?

What do you think the result would be? I give it 99.9% that the settlers vote for the USA but that is hardly a reason to claim Jemur legitimate territory of the United States from now on..

[Fedaykin]

This is all very well guys but when do I get to watch Thomas the Tank Engine meets Vince the Vulcan?

Synopsis:

Thomas meets Vince the Vulcan whilst he is staying on the Isle of Sodor training to fly South and help save the Islanders of the Falklands.

During the adventures Thomas also meets Vince's boss and the Fat controllers cousin: the thin Air Vice Marshall.

[Fedaykin]

You guys habve some weird reasoning when it comes to Falklands. Let me give you an analogy - imagine USA taking uninhabited Jemur islands in Indonesia, choosing few dozens of US citizens to settle there, helping them out to build some basic infrastructure and them asking them in a referendum poll:

Do you want this island to be a part of the USA or Indonesia?

What do you think the result would be? I give it 99.9% that the settlers vote for the USA but that is hardly a reason to claim Jemur legitimate territory of the United States from now on..

I dunno its fairly simple for me. The Falklands have been populated since the 1830's by a British population including 22 of the 30 or so people who the Argentines said we threw off in 1833. We have now had a minor conflict during 1982 which has settled the matter.

Now back to Fireman Sam the naval reservist on HMS Hermes...

[quadbike]

Were you serious there or were you joking?

The Falklands were uninhabited before being settled by the Europeans. Hardly an example of colonialism as we know it. Its people choose to be a part of the British realm - why would you want to see its population militarily forced to live under an Argentinian flag instead?

Though to be fair British claims of sovereignty over South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands certainly have no basis.

So what ? A lot of people can claim they discovered Falklands, and because some folks went and settled there its now British?

Its proximity to Argentina alone strengthens their claim, I hope in future, when Argentina defeats Britain, you will relocate the people to Devon or Cheshire or some channel islands.

I bet if you happen to be an inhabitant of the Falklands you wouldn't be saying that! Put yourself in their shoes instead of sitting in your ivory tower! Wanting the Argies to attack our own people amounts to treason!

I am not British I am from India I really can't wait to see Britain losing all its territories away from home + Scotland.

[j_jza80]

So what ? A lot of people can claim they discovered Falklands, and because some folks went and settled there its now British?

Its proximity to Argentina alone strengthens their claim, I hope in future, when Argentina defeats Britain, you will relocate the people to Devon or Cheshire or some channel islands.

I am not British I am from India I really can't wait to see Britain losing all its territories away from home + Scotland.

I fail to see what your racist ranting has to do with Military Aviation?

[Fedaykin]

Well thats nice Quadbike. I believe Pakistan wants Kashmir and it has direct proximity due to a shared land border. Now I realise that India has control at the moment and also shares the border so the only fair solution is to draw a line down the middle give Pakistan half and all the Indian population can just move onto the Indian side...

Now I know you will regard that idea as utterly unacceptable Quadbike, but that is what you are effectively suggesting should be done with the Falklands. Proximity doesn't mean an automatic right to a place. Now I realise that your opinion is coloured by Britain's history colonial rule but here's the thing, there is no Empire any more we gave back or ceded our colonial positions to the locals. What we have left now is a small number of very small territories that didn't want to leave British control.

In the end European nations a long time ago decided to form empires. Those days are long gone, that doesn't mean we should just roll over and stab people in the back.

Getting back to aviation, Argentina's military is in no state to take the Falkland Islands.

[ananda]

You guys habve some weird reasoning when it comes to Falklands. Let me give you an analogy - imagine USA taking uninhabited Jemur islands in Indonesia, choosing few dozens of US citizens to settle there, helping them out to build some basic infrastructure and them asking them in a referendum poll:

Do you want this island to be a part of the USA or Indonesia?

What do you think the result would be? I give it 99.9% that the settlers vote for the USA but that is hardly a reason to claim Jemur legitimate territory of the United States from now on..

Except all the Indonesian Islands already recognize Internationally as part of Indonesian sovereign territory, which Argentina did not have overwhelmingly International recognition on Falkland. So you can not put that as analogy.

Let me put different analogy, in the name of ending colonialism, Indonesia invade East Timor based on so called invitation from East Timor smaller faction at that time. That invitation from minority faction (Apodete) being used as justification by Indonesia for invading East Timor. If at that time Portugal, return with an Armed Force to liberate East Timor, who will the World going to support, the return colonial power, or the new Invader that justifies it's caused based on minority faction invitation and Geographical location (just like the Argentina claim on Falkland).

Now Portugal did not have British capability, thus they can't return to faced Indonesian Army regardless popular support back home. Plus the added factor that this happen in the middle of Cold War, and both US and Australian administrations at that time shared similar concern with Indonesian that the 'Left Leaning' majority faction (Fretillin) will bend to revolutionary agenda and become SEA Cuba or Nicaragua.

Still in the end Indonesia without a doubt, is Invading power in East Timor regardless minority faction in East Timor did and still support Indonesia (even in the UN Referendum on the late 90's a quarter of East Timorese still support Indonesia).

So What the right of Argentina to claim Falkland without any Referendum from Falkland Islander ? Tell me if Argentina still claim (and did Invade Falkland), what made them different with Indonesian case on East Timor ? At least small faction of East Timorese did preferred Indonesian ruled, while is there any faction of Falkland islander that preferred Argentinian rule ?

The different between Indonesia and Argentina was Indonesia faced Portugal which did not have any military capability to conduct thousand miles war away from home. While Argentina faced British, which did have that capability.

[MSphere]

I dunno its fairly simple for me. The Falklands have been populated since the 1830's by a British population including 22 of the 30 or so people who the Argentines said we threw off in 1833. We have now had a minor conflict during 1982 which has settled the matter.

Now back to Fireman Sam the naval reservist on HMS Hermes...

Very poor reasoning, if you ask me. Your pseudo-funny tricks with Fireman Sam do not really help it..

[SimonDav]

hey quadbike, when is India going to return the Andaman and Nicobar Island groups to their indigenous populations and return the Indian colonists to mother India.

If you don't feel that the stone-age inhabitants of these islands are capable of governing themselves then you can transfer ownership to Burma and Indonesia instead. Their proximity to the aforementioned countries surely means they have a far stronger claim than India, judging the situation by your own logic.

Plus when you are going to allow the inhabitants of Manipur and Nagaland self-determination and freedom from the Indian occupation forces.

[jbritchford]

Very poor reasoning, if you ask me. Your pseudo-funny tricks with Fireman Sam do not really help it..

The fact that the people want to live there all want so stay British is poor reasoning?

As for the British giving the islands 'back' to Argentina (their claim is highly dubious), maybe we should consider it when they give Patagonia back to the natives they conquered to steal it from.

Or are you only willing to hold the UK to this standard and not Argentina?

[DrPepper]

The "Falklands" or Las Malvinas belong to Argentina...fukk knows how Britains thinks that a land 9,000 miles away should be British...harks back to the old "make the world England" routine from centuries past.

Hey dumb as "Brits" in Las Malvinas...GTFO...

[jbritchford]

That's why I love these forums, reasoned argument and intelligent debate