RuAF aviation, news and development thread

[haavarla]

The Su-27SM3 was finalized in 2011, all twelve delivered.
But it think the production started sometime in 2010.

Anyway, what will be interesting now, is just how many Su-34 will come out in the next batch from NAPO. The figure should give us a pointer on the output rate. They should be up to six on each batch by now, or else they will face delays(32 by 2020).. but hey nothing surprising there though.

[TR1]

Is there a similar summary for 2011 aircraft acquisitions as this from 2010:
http://www.ruaviation.com/docs/4/2011/3/25/27/

That chart from the end of the article is quite nice. If this would be done for every year now, it would be much easier to get a sense of what is being acquired and in what kind of trend.

The article forecasted following for 2011: According to our forecasts in 2011 the Russian Defense Ministry should receive at least 28 jets (two Su-35Ss, six Su-34s, eight Su-27SM3s, eight Yak-130s, one Tu-214ON, two Tu-154Ms and one An-140-100) and more than 100 helicopters (15 Mi-28Ns, 10 Ka-52s, two Mi-35Ms, one Mi-26, six Ansat-U helicopters, six Ka-226s, more than 60 Mi-8s of different modifications).

If I recall correctly Russia did actually receive 3 Su-35Ss, but how about the other aircrafts? The new camo and overlapping numbering confuses me about Su-34, so did they make 6 new machines in 2011? I have pics of old camo red 01, 02, 03, 04, 05,--- 07, 08 and 09, and new grey camo 05 and 10, but the old 09 flew already before 2011 so to my knowledge there is only proof of 2 new aircraft from 2011. Is there any official word on the numbers?

How about Su-27SM3 and Yak-130?

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showp...&postcount=564

Above is fror fixed wing.

Helicopters:
Mi-28- 12.
Ka-52 - 12.
Mi-24VM - 4.
Mi-26 - 4 .
Mi-8 - more than 40.
Ansat - presumably 8.

You can add a number of Ka-226 to that.

[TR1]

The Su-27SM3 was finnalized in 2011, all twelve delivered.
But it think the production started sometime in 2010.

Anyway, what will be interesting now, is just how many Su-34 will come out in the next batch from NAPO. The figure should give us a pointer on the output rate. They should be up to six on each batch by now, or else they will face delays(32 by 2020).. but hey nothing surprising there though.

10 is the number expected, looks like they are serious about it.

[Bellum]

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showp...&postcount=564

Above is fror fixed wing.

Helicopters:
Mi-28- 12.
Ka-52 - 12.
Mi-24VM - 4.
Mi-26 - 4 .
Mi-8 - more than 40.
Ansat - presumably 8.

You can add a number of Ka-226 to that.

Thank you very much.

[martinez]

Looks like the Mi-24VM with the 23mm gun, FLIR, but no intake covers? I know the old Mi-24Ds didn't have them, but I thought all the newer production models did? Did they decided to do away with them again?

Yes, I noticed that too, seen on Mi-17/171 as well, they put them away in Russia mostly in winter times, I think it is some kind of preflight safety precaution bcs of icing even if the PZU`s are heated.

[a89]

Volga-Dnper is negotiating a contract for 20 An-124 for 4 billion $, There would be an option for another 20 at the same price. Russia's ministry of emergencies is interested in buying 2 at 300 million $ each.

http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2012/4/13/924/
http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2012/4/16/928/

[haavarla]

$300mil each

What price comes the C-17 and C-5 at these days?

[a89]

What price comes the C-17 and C-5 at these days?

C-5 is no longer produced, but C-17 is over 200 million for USAF, which acquired it in large numbers...

[haavarla]

Russia has decided to join a tender on the delivery of six light fighter jets to the Philippines with its new Yakovlev Yak-130 Mitten combat trainer, state-run arms exporter Rosoboronexport said on Wednesday.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20120418/172892388.html


Will Yak-130 snatch this light-Fighter Tender?

[TR1]

Arbalet in Ka-52.

[TR1]

http://russianplanes.net/st/Kamov/Ka-52

A number of new photos of the Progress floor and Ka-52 production.

[Berkut]

And all these photos were posted in my link earlier... And more.

[TR1]

And all these photos were posted in my link earlier... And more.

You are right, woops.

When you look at so many mil pics, **** starts blending together.

[rsetiawan]

Russia has decided to join a tender on the delivery of six light fighter jets to the Philippines with its new Yakovlev Yak-130 Mitten combat trainer, state-run arms exporter Rosoboronexport said on Wednesday.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20120418/172892388.html


Will Yak-130 snatch this light-Fighter Tender?

is filipine serious this times ? they keep buy-cancel-buy-cancel for almost 2 decades...
Russia better also offer 2nd-hand su-25 or fitter at ultra cheap price that will be affordable for filipino

[mack8]

My favourite MiG-29(M2)!

This must be 747. All grey. No bort yet.

[mack8]

...and after Super Fulcrum, now it's Super Flanker.

[JangBoGo]

My favourite MiG-29(M2)!

This must be 747. All grey. No bort yet.
http://russianplanes.net/images/to74000/073773.jpg

so have we now come to any conclusion regarding this 747?

[Trident]

http://russianplanes.net/ID48191

Neat thing I hadn't realised yet, Kuznetsov may have been the first engine manufacturer to use swept fan blades on the NK-8, 30 years before this idea began to take hold elsewhere! Note also the relatively wide blade chord and how every second IGV is cropped, delivering only on the outer, swept portion of the fan rotor. Further research shows that the same technology was present on some variants of the NK-144 and NK-22 too but disappeared from later Kuznetsov power plants. This suggests they may have been working round some kind of limitation that pushed them to adopt such a radical (by the standards of the day) solution. Would be interesting to learn more!

[haavarla]

so have we now come to any conclusion regarding this 747?

Conclusion?
That pic from mack8 is an Mig-29K.

[mack8]

Conclusion?
That pic from mack8 is an Mig-29K.

Well niet really imo, where's the IFR, where's the hook etc. But yeah , it's pretty confusing ( but then the russians were always good at maskirovka innit ?), maybe it's not for Syria afterall. Maybe it's not even a MiG-29M2, but a...ummm... MiG-35S2(?). Just saying.

[haavarla]

Fine. So its an Mig-29KUB without the HOOK an IFR. No big deal.
All the other tradesmarks are in place.

The Question still stands: What and to whom?


PS. Could it just be a prototype or demonstator of some kind of Mig-29 series?

[TR1]

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/209274.html

Interview with Suhorov.

-Confirmation on 2nd batch of 27 Mi-35s orders, in addition to the 1st batch of 22. Delivery will be between 2012-2014.
-New contracts for Mi-28N and Mi-8AMTSh to be placed this year. I guess this means follow on the 97 Mi-28Ns on order ATM.
-MOD is buying 28 Pantsir systems this year.
- In total 58 aircraft and 124 helicopters are planned for this year.

[TR1]

http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/16629/

United Engine Corporation produced around 420 airplane engines last year.
Large part of production was Al-31 for Su-27 family, but 70 RD-33 were also produced.

They also manufactured 230 helicopter engines, and 60 ground based turbines.

This year the plan is to produce over 500 aircraft engines. The increase is due in part to export orders for the D-30KP2 engine (China?).

[calimero]

Confirmation on 2nd batch of 27 Mi-35s orders, in addition to the 1st batch of 22.

Wasn't the VVS supposed to get 6 helos from the batch of 12 that was ordered by Brazil? Are they part of the first lot of 22? Or is it 22+27+6?

[TR1]

Wasn't the VVS supposed to get 6 helos from the batch of 12 that was ordered by Brazil? Are they part of the first lot of 22? Or is it 22+27+6?

As far as I know the Brazilian funding issues have been resolved recently, and delivery of of the last 6 will commence soon.

[rsetiawan]

Look closer.

new hind gun is finally turreted now ....
zat is better.....
i cant imagine how difficult it is to use 30mm fixed gun of standard Mi24P/Mi-35P
any record of hind 30mm fixed gun in afghanistan/chechnya ? or is it never used at all ?

[TR1]

new hind gun is finally turreted now ....
zat is better.....
i cant imagine how difficult it is to use 30mm fixed gun of standard Mi24P/Mi-35P
any record of hind 30mm fixed gun in afghanistan/chechnya ? or is it never used at all ?

It was used, and with good success. Very powerful gun, there is a reason they went for it over standard 12.7mm turret.

The new turret does not pack nearly as much of a punch.

[soyuz1917]

Fixed guns are much more accurate than turret installations, and for a cannon with a slow rate of fire like the Gsh-30K you need accuracy to overcome the fact that it will never have the shotgun effect you see with the pee shooter on the Apache. The difference between the 30*113B the Apache fires and the 30*165 the Hind fires is night and day. Apaches use guns to kill dismounts and rip up light vehicles as they cant use them against heavy armor. The Hind is not so limited and can rip up basically every tank out there with its 30mm cannon.

The only reason they moved over to 23mm's for the Mi-35M is because the kick of the 30mm was destroying the GOES turrets. The 23mm cannon is inferior.

[rsetiawan]

Fixed guns are much more accurate than turret installationr.

how with turret you can aim the gun via your FCS, got solution and the turret will be stabilized to target (?), but with the 30mm fixed cannon you must maneuver the entire hind body and in afgan strong wind to aim that would be difficult isn it ? (or the 30mm can be aimed to low degree ?)

[haavarla]

Um.. i serves in our National Guard.
On all the different weapons, including the 12.7 there is an issue called "recoil"
The difference between our old 12.7 W-mount to our new "soft-mount" makes all the difference in the world for accuracy.
So i know what impact recoil have..

The Turret on Apache are just like soyuz1917 explained much weaker to the recoil(IMO the turret will shake/drift out of position upon shooting).

What you are thinking about are the targeting systems on the Apache, which in any case is a very potent one, however in the end of the day the weapon/turret itself must do the work and deliver the results..