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**WinterStars** · 6th May 2012, 19:35

Interesting things going on in Rostvertol Plant

Rostvertol Plant

Mi 26 is huge inside. Nice cockpit too.

**TR1** · 6th May 2012, 20:04

Nice vid.

Here are some good recent pics from Kazan, Rosvertols competitor.
You can see a Mi-38 under construction

:

http://www.aex.ru/photo/kvz2012/P4276552.jpg
http://www.aex.ru/photo/kvz2012/P4276588.jpg
http://www.aex.ru/photo/kvz2012/P4276141.jpg
http://www.aex.ru/photo/kvz2012/P4276208.jpg
http://www.aex.ru/photo/kvz2012/P4276188.jpg
http://www.aex.ru/photo/kvz2012/P4276085.jpg
http://www.aex.ru/photo/kvz2012/P4276074.jpg

**WinterStars** · 6th May 2012, 20:15

Originally Posted by TR1

http://www.aex.ru/photo/kvz2012/P4276141.jpg

Such a small aperture, is it for fire control or terrain mapping/avoidance?

Originally Posted by TR1

http://www.aex.ru/photo/kvz2012/P4276085.jpg

Fadal CNC machines from the US of A

Isn't Globalization great?:diablo:
But then again RD-180 were also used in the US space program.

**TR1** · 6th May 2012, 20:51

Just a weather radar AFAIK.

http://lenta.ru/news/2012/05/06/bondarev/

Victor Bondarev, new Glavkom of the VVS.

**J-20 Hotdog** · 6th May 2012, 20:59

Originally Posted by TR1

Nice vid.

Here are some good recent pics from Kazan, Rosvertols competitor.
You can see a Mi-38 under construction

:

http://www.aex.ru/photo/kvz2012/P4276552.jpg
http://www.aex.ru/photo/kvz2012/P4276588.jpg
http://www.aex.ru/photo/kvz2012/P4276141.jpg
http://www.aex.ru/photo/kvz2012/P4276208.jpg
http://www.aex.ru/photo/kvz2012/P4276188.jpg
http://www.aex.ru/photo/kvz2012/P4276085.jpg
http://www.aex.ru/photo/kvz2012/P4276074.jpg

Russia needs to spank Kazan harder and get production of the 38s at a higher rate. Putin needs to say, "hey, either you guys get the Mi-38 right or we'll dissolve Tatarstan"

**Berkut** · 6th May 2012, 23:22

Originally Posted by TR1

New Mi-8s.

Just repainted.

Good vid WinterStars. IIRC Mi-26 has as much space inside as C-130? (Pre J)

**TR1** · 7th May 2012, 00:17

Originally Posted by Berkut

Just repainted.

Good vid WinterStars. IIRC Mi-26 has as much space inside as C-130? (Pre J)

Hmm, you seem to be right.

http://russianplanes.net/ID33631

The same chopper in UN colors back in 2006, Sudan.

**TR1** · 7th May 2012, 00:24

Another repainted Mi-8:

Before:
http://russianplanes.net/ID48794

After:
http://russianplanes.net/ID70080

**rsetiawan** · 7th May 2012, 01:52

Originally Posted by TR1

Nice pic of 4 Ansat-Us handed over to the MOD earlier this year.

nice chopper...
looks similar to ka-60 though...

**elChele** · 7th May 2012, 03:27

In looking through these photos of the Kazan plant I notice a lack of hearing/eye protection (this seems pretty normal for most Russian plants). Anyone know if this is changing?
Thanks.

**Flanker_man** · 7th May 2012, 07:31

Originally Posted by rsetiawan

nice chopper...
looks similar to ka-60 though...

I don't think so .......

Ken

**Trident** · 7th May 2012, 12:07

Speaking of the Ansat:

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...-year-end.html

Note that, as the article points out, there is technically no problem with the FBW system, just that there is no legal certification basis for civilian helicopters with electronic FCS (it'll be interesting to see how that affects the Mi-38).

**Trident** · 7th May 2012, 12:23

Originally Posted by TR1

Here are some good recent pics from Kazan, Rosvertols competitor.

They're more complementary, really. Rostvertol makes heavy transports and combat helos, Kazan builds light and medium transports. Each competes across part of its product range with Kamov (though Kamov's strong naval bias mitigates against this to some extent), but the odd one out and the main competition for Kazan is Ulan Ude.

**Flanker_man** · 7th May 2012, 14:15

Originally Posted by Trident

but the odd one out and the main competition for Kazan is Ulan Ude.

Both were merely factories in Soviet times - Mil OKB in Moscow being the designer.

Kazan started production of the Mi-8 - with Ulan Ude following to meet the demand when production ramped up.

Following the collapse of the SU, both Kazan & Ulan Ude 'went their own ways' and started designing upgrades to both their product lines - eventually competeing with each other as well as the OKB.

Kazan has a broader portfolio - the jointly designed Mi-38 and the in-house Ansat range - as well as Mi-8MT/Mi-17V5 upgrades.

Uland Ude only has the Mi-8AMTSh series and its civil counterpart the Mi-171 series.

The Kazan Mi-8MTV5 and the Ulan Ude Mi-8AMTSh are direct competitors - and BOTH have been order into RusAF service.

Rostvertol builds the Mi-26 and Mi-28, Kamov (at Arsenyev), the Ka-27/32 series, the Ka-226 and the Ka-5052 range.

Ken

**haavarla** · 7th May 2012, 15:27

Thx for the clear-up Ken.
Now i'm completly confused.

**Kotey** · 7th May 2012, 15:33

Ken, actually Ka-27 (28, 29, 31, 32) still produced at Kumertau, Ka-226 is same
http://eng.kumapp.ru/index.php/products.html

Arsen'ev factory were produced Mi-24s (as example Rostvertol never produce Mi-24P, Mi-24Rkh, Mi-24K), after Mi-24s were produced Ka-50 and now Ka-52 (Ka-52K)

And Rostvertol now produced Mi-35M, Mi-28N, Mi-26 - just now i see Mi-35M in fligt throug my window.

About Kazan and Ulan-Ude as i know both factories now have 100 % production loading orders to next 3-4 years at least

**TR1** · 7th May 2012, 23:17

http://www.mycity-military.com/imgs2...mig-27k_49.jpg

Kind of an interesting photo. MiG-27K.

**a89** · 8th May 2012, 08:51

Uland Ude only has the Mi-8AMTSh series and its civil counterpart the Mi-171 series.

The Kazan Mi-8MTV5 and the Ulan Ude Mi-8AMTSh are direct competitors - and BOTH have been order into RusAF service.

Would you say the samples manufactured in Kazan are more advanced? a while ago I read an article on Ulan-Ude and the impression I got is that it aims at customers who are less demanding/cannot afford high tech equipment.

**J-20 Hotdog** · 8th May 2012, 18:11

Originally Posted by a89

Would you say the samples manufactured in Kazan are more advanced? a while ago I read an article on Ulan-Ude and the impression I got is that it aims at customers who are less demanding/cannot afford high tech equipment.

Kazan plant uses Tatar workers to build helicopters. Ulan-Ude plant uses Mongols to build it. there's your answer.

**J-20 Hotdog** · 8th May 2012, 18:15

Originally Posted by rsetiawan

nice chopper...
looks similar to ka-60 though...

the tail end is pretty different but it certainly is as sleek as the Ka-60.
Russia needed a helicopter like Ansat for a long time.. Mi-2 is too old and Mi-8 is too big. Could see Ansat being popular for lots of civilian uses like police, news helicopter, etc. export wise.. that's hard. there's tons of light helicopters on the market, very competitive. for example Ansat has to compete with PZL W-3 Swidnik!

**Flanker_man** · 8th May 2012, 18:44

Originally Posted by a89

Would you say the samples manufactured in Kazan are more advanced? a while ago I read an article on Ulan-Ude and the impression I got is that it aims at customers who are less demanding/cannot afford high tech equipment.

Without personally inspecting both products, I haven't the faintest idea....

But one of its customers is the Russian military - who have ordered Ulan-Ude built Mi-8AMTSh helicopters to work alongside Kazan built Mi-8MTV-5's.

So I guess they are satisfied with the build quality???

Ken

**Flanker_man** · 8th May 2012, 18:48

[QUOTE=J-20 Hotdog;1887906 for example Ansat has to compete with PZL W-3 Swidnik!

[/QUOTE]

Which itself is a direct descendant of the Mil Mi-2 :diablo:

Ken

**J-20 Hotdog** · 8th May 2012, 19:18

Originally Posted by Flanker_man

Which itself is a direct descendant of the Mil Mi-2 :diablo:

Ken

you're thinking of PZL Kania

**WinterStars** · 8th May 2012, 22:13

http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2012/4/24/948/print/

If true, the only time the PD 14 will be used is for delivery to US sanctioned countries and in Military aircrafts.
But then again, PD 14 is supposed to be competing with LEAP-X and PW1000G series on both efficiency and operational costs.

http://en.take-off.ru/pdf_to/to22.pdf
Page 21.
Did the designers compromised efficiency to design an engine usable for both Military and Civilian aircrafts.
Bypass ratio of 7.2 and compression ratio of 46 for the PD14M

**MSphere** · 8th May 2012, 23:11

Originally Posted by TR1

http://www.mycity-military.com/imgs2...mig-27k_49.jpg

Kind of an interesting photo. MiG-27K.

A similar installation (Kayra-24M) on the Su-24M.

**TR1** · 8th May 2012, 23:25

Originally Posted by J-20 Hotdog

Kazan plant uses Tatar workers to build helicopters. Ulan-Ude plant uses Mongols to build it. there's your answer.

Facepalm.

**haavarla** · 9th May 2012, 10:27

Not exactly military news.
But there looks like to be an accident with SSJ-100 in Asia:

http://rt.com/news/sukhoi-superjet-d...ars-radar-838/

I hope there are none fatalities.
Edit: there was 44 people onboard..

**Austin** · 9th May 2012, 10:36

Would be tragic to loose the crew and the new bird ....fingers crossed.

**haavarla** · 10th May 2012, 07:42

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20120510/173346629.html

50 people

RIP

It reminds me of the reecent Norwegian C-130J that crashed into that mountain peek in Sweeden.
Alltough its still early to say.. why the hell are Airliners flying so low in mountain regions.

**TR1** · 10th May 2012, 08:05

RIP indeed, but lets keep it to the civilian thread.

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