RuAF aviation, news and development thread

[haavarla]

VVS procurment are increasing by the month.
These are interesting times.
While many other AF around the world sees cuts, VVS are target for massive re-armament plans.

Stay tuned for news and updates.

[MSphere]

Yes especially the su-27sm3 version, all glass cockpit, 4 Lcd screens etc. It almost comes to the Su-35S standard, except for engines, radar minimization RCS, integrated systems, strengthened airframe, a good plane for pilots to go from su-27m versions to su-35 and pak-fa.

The SM3 still has the old N001 radar. How is that superior to BARS?

[dionis]

The SM3 still has the old N001 radar. How is that superior to BARS?

The only real point of contention there is .. is the radar, yes.

The domestic N001V is supposed to have some significant improvements in A2A engagement range, however, so the gap may not be that big at all in practical terms.

[TR1]

The only real point of contention there is .. is the radar, yes.

The domestic N001V is supposed to have some significant improvements in A2A engagement range, however, so the gap may not be that big at all in practical terms.

Improvements or not Bars is fundamentally newer technology and a big leap ahead.

Su-30MKI also has thrust vectoring, though the SM has uprated engines.

[JSR]

The SM3 still has the old N001 radar. How is that superior to BARS?

You dont need best radar in every plane.
SM3 will likey be working in group action mode with MIG-31/Su-35.
3 to 4 ton lighter weight with uprated engine, less drag of single seater will give it superior acceleration and altitude for BVR. and we dont know anything about EW suite. Radar is one piece. EW/Communication system is equally important.

[Acatomic]

Can someone help me with this image of a cockpit? I would like to know which version of Su-27 it belongs to?





It looks like Su-35BM cockpit but it's different: there are no buttons around the MFD and panels are painted black.





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[TR1]

Very interesting, where did you find it if I may ask?

[Acatomic]

It's from this site http://www.ejercitos.org/viewtopic.p...t=19&start=880

[dionis]

Improvements or not Bars is fundamentally newer technology and a big leap ahead.

I'm dying to hear, very specifically, how it is vastly superior then.

[Nopia]

VVS procurment are increasing by the month.

Not really, nothing knew is really being produced at a quicker rate, at the moment its all just claims, like the 6 aircraft carriers by 2020 business that we heard a few years back which was meant to be a fact. Turned out it was complete rubbish spouted for domestic propaganda reasons. I see no reason why any of the current airforce claims are any different, especially as they are said by the same person who claimed the 6 carriers by 2020.

[TR1]

Not really, nothing knew is really being produced at a quicker rate, at the moment its all just claims, like the 6 aircraft carriers by 2020 business that we heard a few years back which was meant to be a fact. Turned out it was complete rubbish spouted for domestic propaganda reasons. I see no reason why any of the current airforce claims are any different, especially as they are said by the same person who claimed the 6 carriers by 2020.

Please bring some proof that someone said there would be 6 Russian carriers by 2020. Even better, if someone actually in the defense ministry or gov said that.


Do that, or shut up, PParker.

[TR1]

I'm dying to hear, very specifically, how it is vastly superior then.

Not sure if serious, or just very lazy.

[Berkut]

Interesting Acatomic. I am a bit stumbled myself. Not to be smartass, but there is no such thing as "Su-35BM". There is however Su-35S. I am willing to bet this is Su-35S, but either it is some earlier configuration (looks to be taken in workshop) or maybe it is cockpit shot of one the serials. I am holding button for the later, as there is lack of "alarm clocks". Also notice the huge screen on right side, i haven't seen than in Su-35S, only in T-50...

[Nopia]

Please bring some proof that someone said there would be 6 Russian carriers by 2020. Even better, if someone actually in the defense ministry or gov said that.

Next time use google and you may not look so daft. You obviously don't follow the Russian miliitary half as well as you think you do.

http://www.peopleforum.cn/viewthread.php?tid=31105

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080727/115004797.html

http://www.navyfield.com/Community/F...ad=20&page=171

And about a million other sources for that news too. The Russian military only has bold claims left to cling on to, everyhting else is dead or dying.

[Acatomic]

Interesting Acatomic. I am a bit stumbled myself. Not to be smartass, but there is no such thing as "Su-35BM". There is however Su-35S. I am willing to bet this is Su-35S, but either it is some earlier configuration (looks to be taken in workshop) or maybe it is cockpit shot of one the serials. I am holding button for the later, as there is lack of "alarm clocks". Also notice the huge screen on right side, i haven't seen than in Su-35S, only in T-50...

Pak-Fa avionics testbed maybe?

As for Su-35S you are correct. I just keep forgetting that

[mack8]

Just ignore the troll folks. Giving the troll the slightest amount of attention is what he wants. Just hit the report button.

On a serious note ...so should it be understood that afterall, MiG-29 and developements are not in GPV 2020 plans for RuAF? Zelin didn't seems to have mentioned anything about the MiG-29/35. If they however will keep the SMTs , wouldn't it be uneconomical to have such a small number of airframes if (presumably ) the other MiG-29 will be retired fairly soon?

Without any upgrades, except the SMT, the legacy MiG-29s are completely outclassed today ...

Any info surfaced about what timeframe the legacy, unmodernized MiGs (29,31) and SUs (27, 24 etc.) will go?

[TR1]

MiG-35 is constantly mentioned as included in the GPV, but no specifics.
SMT would be fine to operate given domestic and large source of spares, even in small numbers.
Legacy 9.13s are still perfectly usefull considering the large numbers of legacy birds on all borders.

[mack8]

MiG-35 is constantly mentioned as included in the GPV, but no specifics.

Is it? I was under the impression that it isn't given the massive orders for just Sukhois for RuAF the last few years, and Zelin not saying anything about it . I know about the 36-48 MiG-35s speculated , but nothing more.
Out of curiousity is this GPV 2020 plan public, avalaible for reading somewhere on the net ?
Thanks.

[TR1]

http://www.oborona.ru/includes/perio...0/detail.shtml

"К сожалению, несмотря на формальное включение в ГПВ-2020 многофункциональных истребителей МиГ-35, до заключения реального контракта на эти машины дело пока не дошло. "

Not sure how certain the order is at this point.

[Trident]

Interesting Acatomic. I am a bit stumbled myself. Not to be smartass, but there is no such thing as "Su-35BM". There is however Su-35S. I am willing to bet this is Su-35S, but either it is some earlier configuration (looks to be taken in workshop) or maybe it is cockpit shot of one the serials. I am holding button for the later, as there is lack of "alarm clocks". Also notice the huge screen on right side, i haven't seen than in Su-35S, only in T-50...

It's definitely a Flanker of some sort, as can be seen from the canopy frame shape. Moreover, it has the standard Su-27 HUD rather than one of the new designs which have a Western-style UFC panel. Unless the wide-angle HUD for the Su-35S is giving trouble (seems unlikely, as unlike the T-50 HUD it is a simple, non-holographic system) I can't see this being one of the production aircraft.

Pak-Fa avionics testbed maybe?

As for Su-35S you are correct. I just keep forgetting that

T-50 avionics testbed (without the new HUD) is a distinct possibility.

[mack8]

http://www.oborona.ru/includes/perio...0/detail.shtml

"К сожалению, несмотря на формальное включение в ГПВ-2020 многофункциональных истребителей МиГ-35, до заключения реального контракта на эти машины дело пока не дошло. "

Not sure how certain the order is at this point.

Thanks for that Trident.

[Flyboy77]

Not really, nothing knew is really being produced at a quicker rate, at the moment its all just claims, like the 6 aircraft carriers by 2020 business that we heard a few years back which was meant to be a fact. Turned out it was complete rubbish spouted for domestic propaganda reasons. I see no reason why any of the current airforce claims are any different, especially as they are said by the same person who claimed the 6 carriers by 2020.

I'm 100% sure but if I remember correctly it was 6 carriers by 2050 not 2020.

[TR1]

I'm 100% sure but if I remember correct it was 6 carriers by 2050 not 2020.

Yeah Nopia regularly makes things up, gets proved wrong, and tries to BS his way out of admitting he has no clue what he is talking about.

[uss novice]

It's definitely a Flanker of some sort, as can be seen from the canopy frame shape. Moreover, it has the standard Su-27 HUD rather than one of the new designs which have a Western-style UFC panel. Unless the wide-angle HUD for the Su-35S is giving trouble (seems unlikely, as unlike the T-50 HUD it is a simple, non-holographic system) I can't see this being one of the production aircraft.



T-50 avionics testbed (without the new HUD) is a distinct possibility.

Hmm, my guess - latest Super 30 MKI layout, the HUD might change in time.

[dionis]

Not sure if serious, or just very lazy.

Quite serious! Where is the (vague) laundry list of differences?

[dionis]

Next time use google and you may not look so daft. You obviously don't follow the Russian miliitary half as well as you think you do.

http://www.peopleforum.cn/viewthread.php?tid=31105

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080727/115004797.html

http://www.navyfield.com/Community/F...ad=20&page=171

And about a million other sources for that news too. The Russian military only has bold claims left to cling on to, everyhting else is dead or dying.

Nothing in there about 2020. Nopia 0/100. Fail.

[Jō Asakura]

Hmm, my guess - latest Super 30 MKI layout, the HUD might change in time.

Yep, I think this is an Irkut company Su-30MKI cockpit installation tester for the 'Super 30' upgrade, with large touch screen LCDs (you can see the function icons in horizontal rows).
Remember, IN MiG-29K cockpits are also black.

[TR1]

Nothing in there about 2020. Nopia 0/100. Fail.

How come my response to that Nopia nonsense was deleted, but his original post remains?

[TR1]

Quite serious! Where is the (vague) laundry list of differences?

Nothing vague about it, the Hybrid PESA of Bars is a huge leap over old N001 in just about every parameter. Come on man, this isn't news.

[TR1]

Yep, I think this is an Irkut company Su-30MKI cockpit installation tester for the 'Super 30' upgrade, with large touch screen LCDs (you can see the function icons in horizontal rows).
Remember, IN MiG-29K cockpits are also black.

That is pretty radical for an upgrade don't you think? Completely yanking out original cockpit displays and installing a new all glass board.