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    Electra crash 2011

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wiBovZ5pc4

    I assume this was modified Locheed Electra ..is it ?

    What happened ?
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    Highly modified! ....looks like a Beech 18 to me

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    Yes...a Beech 18

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    Right sorry...it says a Beech.
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    More info...seems to have been fully loaded and during take off engine out; http://www.examiner.com/airlines-air...sh-kills-pilot

    It should perform well in engine out situation; http://www.twinbeech.com/images/beech-18.jpg
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    Last edited by topspeed; 25th March 2012 at 13:07.
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    No speculation intended about the accident in question but I will share some experience. Small freight operators...I know of several accidents where the cargo shifted during takeoff putting the C of G out of limits. It happened to me already. The other danger was that in planes with only a rear door, such as the King Air series, the freight can block the emergency exit. By law it not supposed to, but as I said, small operators and/or failure to follow regulations/ pilots desperately trying to build hours...

    The freight should be secured by 9g cargo nets, but they can break as well.

    RIP to the poor pilot.
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    Talking

    Sounds a bit like it was not well maintained.

    I picked the accident since I have been sketching a bit similarly laid out design for 2 x 100 ULS 912 engines.

    There is 10 m2 of solar panels to provide electricity to run pressurization...could that work ? Named after the 4th moon of Jupiter.
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    Pressurisation?
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    Sounds like no. 2 engine packed up to me.

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    Yes, the Beech 18 in question appears to have been a result of poor maintenance. But the plane should fly at sea level at gross weight on one engine. Airport elevation is 8 feet amsl. I can't find the NTSB report to see if overloading was a factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 27vet View Post
    Pressurisation?
    Yeah see aeroplanes need pressurization ovet 20 000 ft.
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    Topspeed, start another thread and we can discuss your innovation there .

    We don't want to deviate from the main topic here as the Beech 18 is not pressurized.

    cheers
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    Unhappy

    Sorry 27vet...no intention to divert from the subject.

    Beech 18 and Locheed 12A were from 1936...2 years after DH89 flew.

    All beautiful classics that inspire my design work.

    Do you know actually which ac in this size class was the first to be pressurized ?
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    From a quick internet search, the earliest that I have found so far (among contemporary aircraft) is the Beech King Air.

    In the early 1960's, Beech modified the basic Queen Air design, replacing the piston-prop engines with powerful new turboprop engines -- jet engines turning propellors -- and pressurized the cabin to allow flight into the thin air at high altitudes -- permitting full use of the high-altitude capabilities afforded by the new turboprop engines. The result was the Model 90 King Air
    http://home.iwichita.com/rh1/hold/av...h/raytheon.htm

    You can check out the dates of other piston twins, Beech Duke, Cessna 340, Piper Aerostar. They date back to the early 1970s.

    I'm sure that there would have been something earlier than 1960 but nothing comes to mind right now.

    I've flown the Cessna 414 and 421 and King Air series (but they arrived in the scene much later apart from the King Air 90.)
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    Thumbs up

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    Topspeed....there was a pressurised version of the Lockheed 10 Electra in 1937 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_XC-35

    and in Britain the General Aircraft Co GAL41 flew in 1939

    http://www.pprune.org/aviation-histo...lenge-144.html post #2877

    The first experimental pressurized aircraft in each country, I think, and neither went into production

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    Quote Originally Posted by 27vet View Post
    Yes, the Beech 18 in question appears to have been a result of poor maintenance. But the plane should fly at sea level at gross weight on one engine. Airport elevation is 8 feet amsl. I can't find the NTSB report to see if overloading was a factor.
    Final report not issued yet. Only the preliminary report is available which is basically reported verbatim on the ASN record.
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    Yup, NTSB website finalized accident reports date to around 2009 -2010.
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