Military Aviation News-2012

[swerve]

They can forget about the US (or any western power) buying the AT-6 now.

"The transaction will not include the Hawker Beechcraft Defense Co., which produces the T-6 trainer and is developing the AT-6 light attack aircraft."

[Freehand]

And the Chinese have bought Hawker Beechcraft for $1.9 billion.
Hawker Beechcraft Agrees To Offer From Chinese Company

Really sad.

[SpudmanWP]

"The transaction will not include the Hawker Beechcraft Defense Co., which produces the T-6 trainer and is developing the AT-6 light attack aircraft."

That's what I get for not reading the link Thanks.

[MadRat]

I'm not a fan of the AT-6. Granted it will still be an American made product. In reality it is a European design with American systems grafted on it. I would have rather seen something more homegrown especially if they are recycling the T-6 designation for it. And if they are using a foreign design, why use the PC-9?

Really sad.

Not really. Chinese investment groups have been buying up dying industries from western countries. These companies don't have a market and are actually a poor investment. The sale of said company includes small private planes and small luxury jets. It is good news for the US competition IMHO because the ones that buy these planes will look only to Hawker to appease Chinese investors and shop for the top planes where they can find them. And that is not in China.

[Freehand]

I'm not a fan of the AT-6. Granted it will still be an American made product. In reality it is a European design with American systems grafted on it. I would have rather seen something more homegrown especially if they are recycling the T-6 designation for it. And if they are using a foreign design, why use the PC-9?



Not really. Chinese investment groups have been buying up dying industries from western countries. These companies don't have a market and are actually a poor investment. The sale of said company includes small private planes and small luxury jets. It is good news for the US competition IMHO because the ones that buy these planes will look only to Hawker to appease Chinese investors and shop for the top planes where they can find them. And that is not in China.

I'll never be crazy about foreign ownership of domestic industry. That's me. The same goes for how I felt about the acquisition of Hummer.

[thobbes]

Not really. Chinese investment groups have been buying up dying industries from western countries. These companies don't have a market and are actually a poor investment. The sale of said company includes small private planes and small luxury jets. It is good news for the US competition IMHO because the ones that buy these planes will look only to Hawker to appease Chinese investors and shop for the top planes where they can find them. And that is not in China.

Huh?

Just because they're owned by a Chinese company does not indicate a loss in quality.

And the Beechcraft King Air is one of the best aircraft in it's class.


Company ownership is complicated and crosses many national boundaries. A lot of the locals are always horrified when I tell them their local brewery (Boags) is technically part of Mitusbishi.

Doesn't mean the beer is any worse because it's Japanese owned

SAAB Automobile is owned by a Chinese-Japanese consortium.


Ironically US owned Cessna was the one with quality issues that resulted in FAA fines.

[Distiller]

And the Chinese have bought Hawker Beechcraft for $1.9 billion.
Hawker Beechcraft Agrees To Offer From Chinese Company

[Tango III]

A second batch of 8 Super Tacano.

Indonesian Air Force Signs Sales Contract for Second Batch of A-29 Super Tucano Airplanes

[Tango III]

1965 UH-1E Marine Corps Huey Gunship for sale in Annapolis

[Tango III]

Executive Calls for Typhoon Upgrade After Radar Announcement

[Tango III]

RoCAF were officially commissioned 3 European-built EC225 Super Puma helicopters for search-and-rescue (SAR) capabilities. .

Air force search-and-rescue gets new helicopters

[Tango III]

FIRING SUCCESS CONFIRMS BRIMSTONE’S STATUS AS THE ANTI-FIAC SOLUTION OF TODAY

[Tango III]

Sikorsky Signs Five-Year Contract to Build H-60 Helicopters for U.S. Army and Navy

[Gerard]

Alenia Aermacchi introduces MC-27J battlefield airlifter

[Griffon39]

SAAB Automobile is owned by a Chinese-Japanese consortium.

Huh? Enlighten us please.

[swerve]

You could have found the details in about the time it took to type that post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...Vehicle_Sweden

[haavarla]

Executive Calls for Typhoon Upgrade After Radar Announcement

I'm sorry.
But this is not correct..

"Eurojet has already developed a thrust vectoring nozzle (TVN) that it argues would add maneuverability to enhance the aircraft’s air-to-ground credentials, increasing thrust, decreasing fuel consumption, reducing take-off distance, reducing landing speed and improving roll rate.

Thrust vectoring increases thrust, would allow the aircraft to get closer to targets and maneuver faster,” said Miglietta, who added that thrust vectoring helps prolong engine life."


Afaik, getting any TVC nozzles gives you more weight increase, meaning poorer T/W ratio. It also gives you more mainanace issues, not less..
And under no physical law does it give you increased thrust.. The TVC Nozzles on the F-22 does the exact opposite.
It is infact the engines that gives you increased thrust.

I have to call this pure marketing BS..

[Mildave]

The F-22's nozzles decrease thrust because of their shapes due to IR signature reduction, but otherwise I believe TVC can indeed increase thrust in the order of 10-15% IIRC.
But anyway Eurofighters executives and PR department have a long history of disinformation and outright lie so... nothing surprising here.

[haavarla]

That is very interesting news to me!
Pls do break it down for me how any TVC nozzles can produce more thrust??
Cause i can't get my head around this newly Eurojet TVC nozzles..

The Russians Engines manufactors which have implemented TVC nozzles on the AL-31F series and RD-33 engines have never showed any mysterious thrust increased, and they have quite the expirience on the TVC field.

Seriously this is a no brainer..

[Mildave]

It doesn't produce more thrust per say, but allows the aircraft to use the existing thrust more efficiently while reducing fuel consumption.
I need to find my readings on that subject...

[Sens]

The F-22's nozzles decrease thrust because of their shapes due to IR signature reduction, but otherwise I believe TVC can indeed increase thrust in the order of 10-15% IIRC.
But anyway Eurofighters executives and PR department have a long history of disinformation and outright lie so... nothing surprising here.

TVC comes along with some thrust reduction and extra weight always when the main advantage is a better thrust versus drag ratio in important parts of the flight envelope from TO, Landing and high AoA behavior. Here do the aerodynamic control forces create the most drag contrary to TVC. Sofar a never heard the present MiG-29 user refitted TVC available for some years already.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai7eaDeRlDs

[Griffon39]

You could have found the details in about the time it took to type that post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...Vehicle_Sweden

Now how did you come to that conclution? Just as the article you just posted points out, no Chineese (or Japanese) company "owns" SAAB Automobile what so ever. The company is still owned by the small Dutch holding company Spyker a.f.a.i.k. (Minus some intelectual properties and production licenses still held by the former owner, GM). A chinese company called NEV Sweden has been formed though to possibly buy out whats left of SAAB Automobile AB (i.e the manufacturing plant in Trollhättan, Sweden). The negotioations have been going on forever though. And GM still has to give the go ahead approval. Wich they have stubbornly refused to do so far.

And dont confuse SAAB Automobile AB with SAAB Scania (hevy trucks and machinery) or SAAB Aerospace which are still profitable and very much up and running. SAAB Automobile though is little more than an empty shell. Which the chineese are thinking of trying to buy.

[swerve]

I've not come to any conclusion. I merely pointed out the source of the mistaken opinion thobbes holds.

If you choose to interpret that as meaning that I believe that SAAB Automobile is the same firm nowadays as SAAB-Scania or SAAB Aerospace, then I advise you to resume taking your medication.

[Tango III]

Russia, Italy to Jointly Develop Patrol Aircraft

[Tango III]

Path Clear for Rafale Fighter Deal: Antony

[Tango III]

MBDA's Meteor Firings Conclude with Lethal Display

[Tango III]

Russia Still Sending Syria Air Defense System: Official

[Tango III]

FARNBOROUGH: Yak-130's engine intakes cause confusion

[mack8]

FARNBOROUGH: Yak-130's engine intakes cause confusion

Yeah sure, they don't miss any oportunity to try to put the russians in a bad light innit?

[Levsha]

Yeah sure, they don't miss any oportunity to try to put the russians in a bad light innit?

You sound very paranoid...