TR1's Great Russian Aviation Thread 7,the return of Timofey Mozgov

[J-20 Hotdog]

since thread 6 is full and Haarvy closed his thread.

http://indrus.in/articles/2012/02/02...ter_14703.html
Russian new fighter
February 2, 2012
Anastasia Kislyakova, The Voice of Russia


Military Space Review talks about Serial Three Su-35S Flanker-E multipurpose jet fighter, which has been successfully tested for the first time at the end of January. India is a potential export customer of the aircraft.


As a result of the cutbacks, infrastructure became degraded as well, and in 1998, 40% of military airfields needed repair. The situation only began to improve after Putin took power and military budgets were greatly increased.



The VVS participated in the First Chechen War (1994–1996) and the Second Chechen War (1999–2002). These campaigns also presented significant difficulties for the VVS including the terrain, lack of significant fixed targets and insurgents armed with American Stinger and Strela-2M surface-to-air missiles.



During the 1990s the Sukhoi design bureau designed a replacement bomber aircraft, the T-60S. This aircraft did not reach the production stage. A further abortive design project was the MiG 1.42.



Deputy Commander of the Russian Air Force Igor Sadofiyev said on December 1 that in the next ten years, Russia will acquire more than 1,500 new aircraft and upgrade more than 400 others. The media has mentioned these figures more than once when quoting high-ranking military officers, but now the Air Force is ready to disclose the full range of its purchases.



The modernization of obsolescent planes at a relatively modest cost makes it possibleto sharply increase the combat potential of the previous generation of aircraft. Such improvements are common practice in many national militaries, and, for its part, Russia primarily plans to upgrade its long-range aviation and cargo fleet.



The Air Force will extend the service life of the Tu-160 (Blackjack) and Tu-95 (Backgin) strategic bombers and the Tu-22M3 long-range bombers and upgrade its IL-78 (Midas) refueling tankers.



Additional improvements will be made to the A-50 "flying radar" and cargo aircraft, such as the An-124 Ruslan (Condor) and Il-76 (Candid) airlifters.



Front-line aviation will also undergo modernization, but the accent will be shifted. All things considered, the Air Force will likely discontinue the modernization of the Su-27 (Flanker) fighter we have mentioned before into its SM version after it receives 12 new aircraft of this type in 2011.



On the other hand, the Air Force plans to step up the modernization of the Su-25 (Frogfoot) assault plane, the Su-24 (Fencer) bomber, and the MIG-31 (Foxhound) interceptor. On par with transports and far-range bombers, they will form the backbone of Russia's upgraded air fleet.



The planned purchase of 1,500 new aircraft and helicopters in the next ten years has sent some shockwaves, because in the past, annual purchases were limited to 30-40 aircraft in total. Many wonder if the plan is realistic.



Ruslav Pukhov, director of the Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technology (CAST) and one of the leading domestic military experts, explains: “Most likely, this number - 1,500 aircraft - includes not only planes and helicopters, but also drones. Many countries count their aircraft in this way, for instance, when they present information to the UN Register of Conventional Arms”.



In reality, the figure of "more than 1,500 aircraft" is most likely to include 350-400 new combat aircraft, about 100 military transports of different types, and 120-140 Yak-130 Mitten trainer aircraft. The remaining 800-900 aircraft will be helicopters and drones.



Some figures on particular types of aircraft have been specified. The Defense Ministry has already signed contracts for the purchase of 32 Su-34 (Fullback) front-line bombers through 2013, 48 Su-35 fighters through 2015, 12 Su-27 SM (Flanker) fighters through 2011, four Su-30M2 (Flanker C) aircraft through 2011, and 12 Su-25 UBM trainer aircraft.



Contracts for the purchase of another 100-110 aircraft are likely to be awarded to the Sukhoi design bureau for the T-50 fifth generation fighter and other Sukhoi aircraft.



The Defense Ministry also has plans to buy a long list of helicopters - primarily the Mi-28H (Havoc) and Ka-52 Hokum B attack choppers.



By 2020, their numbers are likely to swell to 200-250 and 50-60, respectively, while different Mi-8 (Hip) versions will remain the backbone of the transport and combat fleet. Their serial production was launched in the 1960s and will continue for at least two more decades.



The biggest enigma is the drones that the Air Force is planning to buy. In fact, today the military are expected to purchase drones that have not yet been developed or are, at most, in the last stage of design. It has been previously reported that the testing of domestic drones was scheduled to start in 2011.



By 2020, Russia will have about 800 efficient combat aircraft and a total fleet numbering between 1,500 and 1,700 planes and helicopters. Including Navy aircraft, Russian military aviation will possess around 1,800-1,900 aircraft, not counting drones.

[J-20 Hotdog]

MiG-29 in PROFESSIONAL grey

[MadRat]

Backgin?

[rayrubik]

They should paint the nose in a different colour.

[Kotey]

Second MiG-29M2 for Syria

[mack8]

Oh geez more MiG-29 pron! Many thanks Kotey.
First question : where on earth is that fairing thingie on the left nacelle??!
Second question : i wonder what 741 and 747 stands for ...we know that the K/KUB is 941/947( presumably meaning izdeliye 9.41/9.47) while the MiG-35 demonstrators are 961/ 967( izd. 9.61/9.67), so the Syrian MiG-29 izdeliye code is 7.41/7.47?

[mack8]

Different angle of 741
http://russianplanes.net/ID65691

And 747
http://russianplanes.net/ID65723
( they took that fairing off!)

Finally, MiG-29K 941 in "light" A-A configuration
http://russianplanes.net/ID65725

[TR1]

Did not realize the entire "2nd gen" MiG-29 line standardized on the larger flaps and Kruger flaps. Thought the airframe was identical otherwise.

Mack8, which thing are you talking about? the one at the very end of the nacelle?
The Indian UPG had a jammer in a similar location. That was an Italian-Indian unit AFAIK, interesting if it is a Russian equivalent on the Syrian birds.
Or those are just decoy dispensers.

oops, you are talking about this:
http://russianplanes.net/ID61703

Got it.

Also curious that the Syrian MiGs do not have them nose zig zags.

[mack8]

Those are the chaff&flare dispensers . What are they called again , is it BVP-26-80 or BVP-60-80 or something like that , i did saw it somewhere but can't remember where ...
I think the indian UPG has a jammer antenna on the RIGHT( oops) fin at the bottom, while the front facing antennas for it are most likely the small cilindrical "things" near the wing tip.( they look like a WW2 fighter mass balance weights)

http://russianplanes.net/ID43927

[mack8]

Not sure if this hasn't been already posted, but here's some more on those grey hellducks.
http://ru-aviation.livejournal.com/2171692.html

[MSphere]

There must be some paralell to the K/KUB coding because the 741 is obviously a single-seater MiG-29M1

[Zare]

Guys, I'm looking for facts regarding exotic R-27 versions, eg. R-27AE, R-27EM and R-27P. Deployment numbers, images, etc. Some sites state that at least AE model went in production in 1990.

I would speculate that they produced limited numbers of these missiles, and they were never commisioned.

[J-20 Hotdog]

Not sure if this hasn't been already posted, but here's some more on those grey hellducks.
http://ru-aviation.livejournal.com/2171692.html

nice grey paint, looks very professional..
which reminds me of some of the sentiment in this thread
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/sho...=106845&page=3

Just something more professional like the YF-22 or J-20. Personally sick of stupid paint schemes.

and

Agreed. These glossy and psychadelic schemes are getting sickening. Plain IAF-gray would be nice!

which led to these replies

That paint scheme looks far better than omfg black J-20 (seriously? black paint scheme is professional? Try abysmal for camo purposes) or boring gray F-22.

I still would like to know how you measure "professional" pitch black paint sceeme vs a more camo splinter sceeme like the many RuAF units, like the blueish Su-34 or the gray slinter on Su-35 '902' and Pak-Fa '51'?

It has nothing to do with professionalism, your claim is not professional nor is it logical.

Ia a Camo paint is requirered, then who's got the most efficient one?
Surely not in plain matt black!

How much more pathetic can your standards be? What do you know of air force professionalism? If you don't like the RuAF tactical jets, look at the strategic bomber fleet (how's that for the professional AF look?)...

Israel's AF, the best smaller AF around, uses camo schemes too. Why don't you take a crap all over them too while you're at it?

lol and in the end, RuAF decided to go with Quadbike's line of thinking

grey transports


grey helicopters


grey trainers


grey combat jets

[TR1]

lol, most of the RuAF doesn't use that paint. Pretty much only MiG-29s @ Lipetsk. That MiG-29 pic is nothing new either.
ARe the Su-35s grey? Nope.
new Su-27s? nope.
New Mig-29s? nope.
new Su-34s? Some are in the new scheme, but even they are hardly the same "professional" grey as the MiG-29s.
Yak-130? Came delivered in that scheme from the start.

Where the RuAF adopted (adopting really) more of a standard are helos, since they generally have a similar coat recently.

What is the point of that post, honestly?
A bunch of old posts + reposted pics that make the thread hard to navigate.

[J-20 Hotdog]

lol, most of the RuAF doesn't use that paint. Pretty much only MiG-29s @ Lipetsk. That MiG-29 pic is nothing new either.
ARe the Su-35s grey? Nope.
new Su-27s? nope.
New Mig-29s? nope.
new Su-34s? Some are in the new scheme, but even they are hardly the same "professional" grey as the MiG-29s.
Yak-130? Came delivered in that scheme from the start.

Where the RuAF adopted (adopting really) more of a standard are helos, since they generally have a similar coat recently.

What is the point of that post, honestly?
A bunch of old posts + reposted pics that make the thread hard to navigate.

not sure what the point of your posts are. Its a new scheme thats being adopted, standing in contrast to some of the earlier statements made by fanboys in the past.

it does not mean all aircraft are using it, it just means that there's a push going towards it

also see no point in your criticism of posting pictures. its a RuAF thread duh.

[TR1]

A superb photo-report by of Lipetsk. Photos over this winter.

"Currently the Center consists of four squadron: 1st Fighter Air Squadron with Su-27, Su-27UB, Su-27SM and Su-30, 2nd Fighter Air Squadron with MiG-29 and MiG-29UB, 3rd Bomber Air Squadron with Su-24, Su-34 and 4th Assault Air Squadron with Su-25 and Su-25UB."

http://vitalykuzmin.net/?q=node/434

[dionis]

not sure what the point of your posts are. Its a new scheme thats being adopted, standing in contrast to some of the earlier statements made by fanboys in the past.

it does not mean all aircraft are using it, it just means that there's a push going towards it

also see no point in your criticism of posting pictures. its a RuAF thread duh.

Sorry, sparky, but.. seeing several units of single-color aircraft does not translate to "push" towards anything.

Fencer units have always been grey. So have the bomber forces.

You can expect to see things in different patterns. What a surprise.

[quadbike]

I am being proven right may be i have secret access to Russian decision makers.

[J-20 Hotdog]

I am being proven right may be i have secret access to Russian decision makers.

they have shifted from attacking your ideas of grey paint, to downplaying the whole thing.. "oh its only a few units, means nothing"


there is no grey paint

[rsetiawan]

I really hates the russian adding text 'VVS rossii' in the tail
that is nekulturny!
someone plz get rid it!

[haavarla]

Hottie@ I'll give you some merits on the Helis paint, but not on the VVS fixed wings. No sir.

Anyway, if one look at the camo paint of the operational Su-27 Sq. They have pretty much stayed the same sinse i can remember.

[TR1]

I really hates the russian adding text 'VVS rossii' in the tail
that is nekulturny!
someone plz get rid it!

Yep, it is stupid and pointless.

[HAWX ace]

Yep, it is stupid and pointless.

plus it gives scale model makers a hard time

[Flanker_man]

plus it gives scale model makers a hard time

Not now it doesn't - thanks to Begemot decals......





Ken

[JangBoGo]

Oh geez more MiG-29 pron! Many thanks Kotey.
First question : where on earth is that fairing thingie on the left nacelle??!

maybe something new that we did not see before and hence they don't want to give much publicity to that stuff?? Or simply because they are not required to be installed now?

Second question : i wonder what 741 and 747 stands for ...we know that the K/KUB is 941/947( presumably meaning izdeliye 9.41/9.47) while the MiG-35 demonstrators are 961/ 967( izd. 9.61/9.67), so the Syrian MiG-29 izdeliye code is 7.41/7.47?

741 & 747 maybe because these aircraft lack some basic hardware compared to the 941/947/961/967...like the lack of refuelling probe which are a standard feature of all the new gen MiG-29???

[JangBoGo]

They should paint the nose in a different colour.

They usually have that nose painted different for the radar section. This MiG-29 is a trainer version and does not have a radar.

[JangBoGo]

MiG-29 in PROFESSIONAL grey
http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/9200/7t4u.jpg

nice grey paint, looks very professional..
which reminds me of some of the sentiment in this thread
grey combat jets
http://russianplanes.net/images/to65000/064536.jpg

They are both the same aircraft!

[mikoyan1991]

Yep, it is stupid and pointless.

why pointless?? even USAF has in its aircraft logo US air force

[Rii]

Thing is there are several air forces out there using similar roundels...

[Zare]

I agree with the "pointless". I don't like those MiG-29 looks, it's too "Americanized". Radome same colour as main hull, and VVS ROSSII "logo". Bort font looks something off American Football shirt back.

No thanks.

Also don't like the new roundel. The blue line messes it up, I know it's national flag colours, but doesn't look better than the old one. Last info I heard is that government didn't approve of roundel change, but VVS is putting them on new planes?