Chinese Air Power Thread 16

[Blueshark]

Previous thread at http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?t=106526

Please continue discussion.

[Pinko]

WS10B in mass production, the shown engine with gearbox at the bottom, which is designed to power J10B fighter. The B version of WS10 turbofan is said to have 13.2 ton max thrust.



There are several wrapped engines on the floor as well.

[Pinko]

For reference only: the J10b roars when powered by the new upgraded WS10 engine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNNlN...e_gdata_player

[Deino]

J-10A dropping two LT-2 LGB's ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iacei...layer_embedded

[roberto_yeager]

J-10A dropping two LT-2 LGB's ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iacei...layer_embedded

Very interesting (al least for me), thanks!!!

1Saludo

[killerbean]

For reference only: the J10b roars when powered by the new upgraded WS10 engine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNNlN...e_gdata_player

Sounded more like a meow to me.... :diablo:

j/k

[totoro]

while they certainly look like LGBs, the image is kinda small and blurry. Is there a way to be absolutely certain those are guided ammunitions? Is there ANYTHING else in chinese bomb inventory that looks like that?

Plus, can one see a laser designator on the plane? Of course the target could be lased from someplace else, but it'd be nice if j10 selfdesignated it...

edit: oops, didn't click the thumbnail. Yes, it's evidently a LGB. Still, it'd prove more versatility if j10 selfdesignated it.

Any guesses as to what size those bombs were? Look like 1000 kg pieces to me.

[Deino]

while they certainly look like LGBs, the image is kinda small and blurry. Is there a way to be absolutely certain those are guided ammunitions? Is there ANYTHING else in chinese bomb inventory that looks like that?

Plus, can one see a laser designator on the plane? Of course the target could be lased from someplace else, but it'd be nice if j10 selfdesignated it...

edit: oops, didn't click the thumbnail. Yes, it's evidently a LGB. Still, it'd prove more versatility if j10 selfdesignated it.

Any guesses as to what size those bombs were? Look like 1000 kg pieces to me.

These are 500kg LT-2



http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLA-G...mozTocId819429


Deino

[totoro]

so there is no visible length difference between 500 and 1000 kg bombs? i ask that because the bombs in the pic are quite long - some 3,95 meters long in fact. can we even be sure the bombs on the pic are lt-2 and not some other lgb? we do know jh7s use different lgbs.

[QuantumFX]

LT-X bomb size reference

J-10 : Link-1, Link-2, Link-3, Link-4, Link-5, Link-6, Link-7, Link-8,

JF-17 : Link-1

[Quickie]

Sounded more like a meow to me.... :diablo:

j/k

This one shows the WS-10A powered J-10B taking off. (From 10.:20) The spool up time is pretty quick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu6DgaZxMeA

[Fedaykin]

Well the J-10 is now working into exactly what Pakistan want. Fully multi-role with precision and stand off munitions, BVR capability, AESA radar, open architecture allowing easy integration of systems and a chinese engine with a possible thrust vectoring capability. Of course Pakistan will also want to have a Martin Baker seat and a few other local choices of system.

I am inclined to think that with the PAF having its hands full inducting updated MLU F16, new F16 and JF17 that they can wait for China to finish maturing the J-10B variant with a Chinese engine.

I think the recent further purchase of engines from Russia is purely to support Chinese needs with its current fleet.

[totoro]

Does anyone know if inner hardpoints on j10 are wired for weapons usage, or are they there primarely for tanks? I ask this as on f16 inner points don't seem to be used for anything else but tanks. Then again, f16 has more hardpoints overall. Was a j10 in service (NOT a show model) shown carrying anything other than tanks on the inner stations?

Also, so far we know middle hardpoints on j10 can carry some 500-600 kg of weight. Do we have proof of them carrying more weight?

[Rookh]

Does anyone know if inner hardpoints on j10 are wired for weapons usage, or are they there primarely for tanks? I ask this as on f16 inner points don't seem to be used for anything else but tanks. Then again, f16 has more hardpoints overall. Was a j10 in service (NOT a show model) shown carrying anything other than tanks on the inner stations?

Also, so far we know middle hardpoints on j10 can carry some 500-600 kg of weight. Do we have proof of them carrying more weight?

Just to follow up on that, most of the static display models of the J-10 show fuselage hardpoints mounted with pods and A2G ordnance, similar to the configuration on the Typhoon, and shown in the pics posted by QuantumFX. However, AFAIK, I've never yet seen an operational/flying J-10 with these hardpoints or anything attached.

[i.e.]

J-10A dropping two LT-2 LGB's ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iacei...layer_embedded

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/sho...89#post1814789

On a complete tangent,

the initial export customer for J-10 did ask for integrating standoff weapons capability in their aircraft. so in next couple of month there might be photos surfacing of J-10s flying around chengdu with pods and weapons strapped on them.

[Deino]

Bingo ...

[QuantumFX]

Just to follow up on that, most of the static display models of the J-10 show fuselage hardpoints mounted with pods and A2G ordnance, similar to the configuration on the Typhoon, and shown in the pics posted by QuantumFX. However, AFAIK, I've never yet seen an operational/flying J-10 with these hardpoints or anything attached.

I haven't seen anything carried on those fuselage hardpoints by any operational J-10s either, though some of the initial prototypes had either live or dummy ordnance attached.

[QuantumFX]

Check the 1 attachment. Seem to have dual bomb rack in the center fuselage pylon :

[Blitzo]

^ Nice catch, I've seen that pic before and only noticed now there was a dual rack on the centre fuselage pylon.
Also note the random rocket launcher on the inner wing pylon where fuel tanks usually sit... so clearly they can at least carry something other than tanks.

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/sho...89#post1814789

But does that mean the PLAAF's J-10As didn't want/need PGM/stand off capabilities on their own aircraft, if it's only for export? ie; is the pic we saw showing a trial run rather than operational aircraft in PLAAF?

[i.e.]

But does that mean the PLAAF's J-10As didn't want/need PGM/stand off capabilities on their own aircraft, if it's only for export? ie; is the pic we saw showing a trial run rather than operational aircraft in PLAAF?

That pic is from an exercise, and that airplane is from a standard line PLAAF regiments.


btw, still no picture of that Turkish Airforce pilot posing infront of a 27UBK with an PLAAF shoulder patch yet?

[Blitzo]

That pic is from an exercise, and that airplane is from a standard line PLAAF regiments.


btw, still no picture of that Turkish Airforce pilot posing infront of a 27UBK with an PLAAF shoulder patch yet?

Talking about this?

http://club.mil.news.sina.com.cn/vie...php?tid=411920

[i.e.]

yes.

[Rookh]

Check the 1 attachment. Seem to have dual bomb rack in the center fuselage pylon :

Very interesting, thanks for those. I think that last pic must be the first one I've seen where all 4 fuselage hardpoints are occupied (5 if you count the centre line tank as well).

[Deino]

Some news from China ...

1. a J-10A numbered 95602 ...could this be the rumoured 10. PLANAF division ??? (9. Div. = 8xx9x // 10. Div. = 9xx0x)

2. The FC-1 finally with the YJ-83K ASM

3. the Y-8 rotodome AEW numbered 9391 ... for the PLANAF (if true)

Deino

[Deino]

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3. the Y-8 rotodome AEW numbered 9391 ... for the PLANAF (if true)

Deino

Seems to be simply a faked PAF-bird

[QuantumFX]

Seems to be simply a faked PAF-bird

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[mikoyan1991]

Well the J-10 is now working into exactly what Pakistan want. Fully multi-role with precision and stand off munitions, BVR capability, AESA radar, open architecture allowing easy integration of systems and a chinese engine with a possible thrust vectoring capability. Of course Pakistan will also want to have a Martin Baker seat and a few other local choices of system.




I think the recent further purchase of engines from Russia is purely to support Chinese needs with its current fleet.

if the wa-10 engine is in production,then the recent purcase of russian al-31 just show the unreability of chinese engine.they dont wont to risk to equip all its fighter with wa-10 engines so they deversify its engines to make a balance between the safety(al-31) and stimulaty local production (wa-10)

[Deino]

if the wa-10 engine is in production,then the recent purcase of russian al-31 just show the unreability of chinese engine.they dont wont to risk to equip all its fighter with wa-10 engines so they deversify its engines to make a balance between the safety(al-31) and stimulaty local production (wa-10)

Is it really that difficult ... or once again taking only that part of the story which fits the own opinion best ??? So once again for the x-th time ... even if You won't like it:

YES, the WS-10A is in mass production ... the J-11B/BS and J-15 are rolling off the production line powered by the TH ... even the J-10B was testd for the first time with it ... but Shenyang Lyming can't produce enough of them and - in this point the most important thing: they are to replace older enines in already manufactured aircraft and newly produced of this old version which can't fit the WS-10A.

As such taking the USAF's persistant use buying/maintaining of F100-PW-100 for their old F-15C/D as a sign of unreability of a US engine is as wrong as taking Your statement. These old Eagles simply can not be re-engined (at least economically) to the latest F110-GE-129 as these early Su-27SK and J-11 cant to the TH !

Or is there still someting You don't understand ??

Deino

[TR1]

Are the dimensions that different from the Al-31? Sukhoi has had no problem re-fitting "vanilla" Su-27 with more powerful Al-31FM1s for example, although that only applies to a certain point (Su-35 has slightly larger 117S).

[mikoyan1991]

Is it really that difficult ... or once again taking only that part of the story which fits the own opinion best ??? So once again for the x-th time ... even if You won't like it:

YES, the WS-10A is in mass production ... the J-11B/BS and J-15 are rolling off the production line powered by the TH ... even the J-10B was testd for the first time with it ... but Shenyang Lyming can't produce enough of them and - in this point the most important thing: they are to replace older enines in already manufactured aircraft and newly produced of this old version which can't fit the WS-10A.

As such taking the USAF's persistant use buying/maintaining of F100-PW-100 for their old F-15C/D as a sign of unreability of a US engine is as wrong as taking Your statement. These old Eagles simply can not be re-engined (at least economically) to the latest F110-GE-129 as these early Su-27SK and J-11 cant to the TH !

Or is there still someting You don't understand ??

Deino

chinese ws-10 is better than al-31 .come on man,everyone knows the unreability of chinese engines,their short life,and ofter mainteinens.the problem is not their unability to built them in large number but are the reasons that i just explained.judging of your words china can built faster a fighter than its engines