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    Spitfire Mk I P9374

    Given that P9374 has already been 'revealed' to public gaze through another thread on this forum I felt that this image would be of interest.

    Maybe DCW would like to add some of his other images of P9374 as she is now? See others here:

    http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/sho...108052&page=24

    Please don't ask me to discuss issues (at this stage) relative to either the restoration, the owners the operators or the book. That, as they say, will all be in the book! Here:

    http://www.grubstreet.co.uk/products...-mark-i-p9374/

    The only other photo I will add later (to placate CeBro!) will be a shot of yours truly in the cockpit of P9374 just over thirty years ago.

    As time goes by, and after the roll out, first flight, first airshow appearances and release of the book I'm sure that much more can be added. For now, I'm afraid its a bit limited.
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    Blimey! They’ll never get all the sand out of that...

    ...I’ve only got to park my car near the beach and the bloody thing is full of sand! :diablo:
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    But we have the technology to restore it, Creaking Door!

    Most of the sand is out of it here....
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    I'm confused, you seem to want to tell us something about this Spit, but then you don't in a strange hush hush kind of way?

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    Did the recovery effort do all that damage??

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    I am sure there will be a great deal to be added to this thread in all good time. However, and whilst I have had 'involvement' with P9374 from the moment she appeared out of the sand my involvement now is as a contracted consultant to the owners and as author of the forthcoming book.

    It is not my place to discuss or place into the public domain (yet) issues relating to the rebuild of P9374, except and insofar as my involvement with the book is concerned but only to a limited extent at this stage. In that respect, I obviously don't want to pre-empt the content of the book and am neither in a position to do so, nor am I allowed to do so or do I want to do so. Further, I am not at liberty at this stage to discuss matters which, frankly, are the business of the restorers, owners and operators.

    Hope that answers your question Pagen01?

    Meanwhile, the story has previously been covered by me in "After The Battle" and in the "other" historic aviation magazine and answers to many questions (pre restoration) would doubtless be found there in material already in the public domain. But to answer David Burke...."Yes", although the rest of the airframe was recovered but is out of shot.

    In due course much more can doubtless be added to this thread, but for the time being the images I want to post are limited and I cannot and will not yet be posting images relative to the rebuild of airframe or engine or engineering of the propeller. That will only be post the book, I'm afraid. I have no doubt, though, that others will wish to post shots that will ultimately emerge from time to time as P9374 possibly appears from its workshops for engine runs, compass swinging and the like in the run up to and including its first flight.

    I would also be keen to know, as would the owners, (ahead of publication!) if anyone out there is harbouring 'unknown' shots of P9374 in its heyday with 92 Squadron.
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    Does it have the same engine fitted as the pic on the beach?
    Im a straight talking yorkshire man i just say it as it is i don't fit in this politically correct world.

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    There are some clues to this in another post from another poster in another thread.

    For now, my stock (and repeat) answer will be: "It will be in the book".
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    Hi completely nothing to do with the book - I wonder what the chances ever would be of a scramble of the two Mk.1's and the BBMF MK.II from Duxford followed by a formation photoshot?

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    Maybe if we can get all the Bouchons attacking..... and someone ringing a bell.. while the aircrew sit around a tent in deckchairs with a gramaphone playing, having a game of cards and smoking filterless fags
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    Quote Originally Posted by piston power! View Post
    Does it have the same engine fitted as the pic on the beach?
    I doubt that very much of the engine would be salvageable after immersion in salt-water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulmcmillan View Post
    Maybe if we can get all the Bouchons attacking..... and someone ringing a bell.. while the aircrew sit around a tent in deckchairs with a gramaphone playing, having a game of cards and smoking filterless fags

    Ah Hmm!

    This is Battle of France not Battle of Britain.

    This shot from Sunday Legends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tangmere1940 View Post
    It is not my place to discuss or place into the public domain (yet) issues relating to the rebuild of P9374, except and insofar as my involvement with the book is concerned but only to a limited extent at this stage. In that respect, I obviously don't want to pre-empt the content of the book and am neither in a position to do so, nor am I allowed to do so or do I want to do so. Further, I am not at liberty at this stage to discuss matters which, frankly, are the business of the restorers, owners and operators.

    Hope that answers your question Pagen01?
    Not really, if you hadn't started the thread I would have been oblivious to the significance of the aircraft that you want to not discuss here - if you know what I mean!
    Anyway no need to respond to this, happy that you've said all you can
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    Well, it had already been discussed elsewhere on this forum, quite extensively and very recently!

    Its also in "Spitfire Survivors", by the way, pages 18/19, and I think already has appeared (briefly) in one or other of the historic aviation mags in recent months. So...not entirely "secret". Just little known, thus far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creaking Door View Post
    Blimey! They’ll never get all the sand out of that...{snip}

    Quote Originally Posted by Tangmere1940 View Post
    But we have the technology to restore it, Creaking Door!

    {snip}
    Wow, did you suck the sand out with the hovercraft?



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    Yes! Its much less bovver wiv a hover.
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    It is clear that much (most) of that salvaged Spitfire would not have had the structural integrity to be incorporated in the airworthy example we see today.

    Are you able to say what has become of those remains?

    If they ended up in a skip, I understand your response may have to be somewhat circumspect.

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    No, they didn't end up in a skip.

    All existing remains of P9374 were acquired by the owners and what isn't incorporated will be retained by the owners. A surprisingly high percentage of original parts were incorporated in the re-build.
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    I'm certainly going to be buying this book when it makes its appearance.....
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    A nice piece of artwork, representative of how P9374 looked not long after she ended up on Calais beach.

    I have drawn your artwork to the publishers attention, btw.
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    Looking at the photo's on the thread link, hats off to the restoration guys- she looks amazing.

    No disrespect to the owners of other Spitfires, but what a breath of fresh air to see an authentic 1940 scheme on a Mark 1, rather than one on a later mark. to me it never quite looks right on a four-bladed, symmetric rad, cannon armed High rudder aircraft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spitfireman View Post
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    You learn something every day Baz, I always assumed or understood that only Hurricanes based in France removed squadron codes and kept a single letter. Nice artwork,
    You can teach monkies to fly better than that....

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    The current thinking is that the GR code was painted out beacuse the squadron was being engaged on diplomatic flight escort duties to Paris or wherever.

    P9374, in the event, was not used on these duties prior to its demise.

    An image of P9374 carrying the full GR-J code has been located and will be in 'the other boo'.

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    Who would have thought that over a couple of decades, a Spitfire wreck looking like a pile of "scrap metal" would become airworthy and a perfectly airworthy Hovercraft would become a pile of scrap metal...

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    You probably used recycled alloy from the Hovercraft in the restoration!

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    I must make a note to personally recreate that "in cockpit" shot one day.

    I didn't think about it when I sat it in last week!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roobarb View Post
    Who would have thought that over a couple of decades, a Spitfire wreck looking like a pile of "scrap metal" would become airworthy and a perfectly airworthy Hovercraft would become a pile of scrap metal...
    Not just yet!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR.N4

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    Alas the hovercraft in the photo is not an SRN4, but a French SEDAM N500

    Two of them built, one destroyed by fire...the other scrapped and made into Spitfires!!
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