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    snake65 , I am posting the entire Almaz Antei report as its from Moscow Defence Brief and not accesseble , will high light the 40N6 part

    Almaz-Antey 2010 Annual Report

    Said Aminov, editor-in-chief of the Vestnik PVO (www.pvo.su) website

    The Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern, a leading Russian maker of air defense weaponry, and its Main System Design Bureau (GSKB Almaz-Antey)1, have published their separate annual reports for 2010. The formation of GSKB was completed in 2010; it is now the leading Russian group of designers of air defense and non-strategic missile defense systems.

    Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern Annual Report

    Development strategy

    According to the concern’s annual report, in 2010 Almaz-Antey finalized its “Development concept of the air defense concern for the 2015 and 2020 time frame”. Plans for the period of 2011-2015 are as follows:

    * Complete the development of fifth-generation air defense and missile defense systems, put in place the technological and manufacturing capability for their mass production;
    * Continue the program of setting up research and production groups focusing on their individual product areas to optimize the management structure;
    * Reduce costs by means of greater standardization of products and economies of scale During the 2016-2020 period the Almaz-Antey concern plans to launch mass production of advanced new air force and air defense systems, as well as components of a united air traffic control system.

    To that end the concern is pursuing two key investment projects. The main project is to build two new plants, one in Nizhny Novgorod, the other in Kirov. They will mass-produce fourth and fifth-generation air defense and missile defense systems. The project was announced several years ago; Vneshekonombank was supposed to provide the bulk of the financing2, but the world financial crisis delayed those plans. The federal government has now allocated 4.47bn roubles (150m dollars) to finance the project in return for an additional shares emission by Almaz-Antey – though as of August 2011, the emission has yet to materialize.3 According to the annual report, in 2010 the concern spent 314.5m roubles on design and survey work related to the construction of the two new plants. Another 481.5m roubles is to be spent in 2011. More than 3bn roubles is to be allocated in 2011 on preparing the two construction sites (1.85bn in Nizhny Novgorod and 1.23bn in Kirov). Both plants are scheduled for completion in 2015.

    The other major investment project is to create the Northwestern Regional Center at the existing Obukhov plant. Almaz-Antey also plans to create an industrial technopark in St Petersburg, hosting five of the concern’s subsidiaries: OAO GOZ Obukhov Plant, OAO Radioelectronic Equipment Plant, OAO KB Special-purpose Machine-building Design Bureau; OAO Radioelectronic Equipment Research Institute, and OAO Russian Institute of Radio Navigation and Time. The project will be financed by the five subsidiaries themselves and by investor capital, including a 5bn rouble loan issued to Obukhov Plant by VTB bank in 2010.4 According to the Almaz-Antey annual report, work on this project began in 2010.

    Also in 2010 the company financed the project to create an assembly center at VMP Aviatek plant in Kirov. In 2013 Almaz-Antey expects to launch there a facility that will mount warheads on all the air defense and cruise missiles it makes. According to the annual report, the project is being financed by VMP Aviatek itself.

    Cooperation with the Bryansk Wheeled Chassis Plant


    In 2010 Almaz-Antey, in cooperation with ZAO Bryansk Auto Plant and OOO AVERA, set up the Bryansk Wheeled Chassis Plant – Almaz Antey (BZKT) venture, in which it owns a 25-per cent stake. The move pursued the following objectives:

    * Produce all the key components of air defense systems in-house
    * Set up a lead company producing chassis for air defense systems and providing after-sale service and technical support
    * Reduce R&D costs and build up the concern’s intellectual property portfolio
    * Enable independent decision-making when choosing and improving the chassis component of new and upgraded air defense systems

    First results of cooperation between Almaz-Antey and the Bryansk plant were demonstrated in June 2011, when various chassis and trucks were showcased at a special event at the Bronnitsy range of the Russian MoD’s former 21st Automobile Research and Development Institute.5 The occasion was used for the first live demonstration of the 5P90S self-propelled launcher of the S-400 Triumf (SA-21) SAM system. The launcher uses the BAZ-6909-022 chassis made in Bryansk. The company also showcased various future air defense missile systems and radars using BZKT-designed chassis.6

    Main projects for MoD customers


    1. In 2010 Almaz-Antey completed the designs of a fifth-generation SAM system. The annual report is probably referring to the S-500 system, which, according to then GSKB director-general Igor Ashurbeili (who left the company in early 2011) is designated as Triumfator-M.7 Media reports claim that the S-500 is expected to be ready by 2015. It will be effective against all types of air targets, including those in near space. Taking into account that GSKB Almaz-Antey uses the Triumfator designation for the S-400 SAM system, it appears that the S-500 Triumfator-M will be an incremental upgrade of the S-400. That was indirectly corroborated by Vladimir Popovkin in an interview he gave back when he was the first deputy defense minister (he was appointed head of the Russian space agency Roskosmos in the spring of 2011). Popovkin said that “in that system [the S-500] the key new element is the missile interceptor, because it will retain 90 per cent of the components used in the S-400, including various equipment, the command and control station, etc. I believe that those S-400 components will remain competitive for another 25 or 30 years. But we do need a new, more ‘energetic’ missile, capable of taking on not only tactical and strategic missiles but even warheads travelling at up to 7 km per second.”8 Another piece of information, revealed by Igor Ashurbeili, is that the S-500 will use an advanced new X-band active phased array radar.9
    One of the posters at the already mentioned demonstration event at Bronnitsy showed the launcher of the S-500 system, based on a BZKT chassis (the sign on the poster read “77P6 launcher of the Triumfator-M SAM system”).10 Judging from that poster, one of the surface-to-air missiles to be used in the S-500 could be a new missile designed by OKB Novator (part of the Almaz-Antey concern) based on an existing family of missiles for the S-300V (SA-12) and Antey-2500 (SA-23) SAM systems.
    In August 2010 former GSKB chief Ashurbeili once again commented on the situation with the new air defense and missile defense system. He said that “the [S-500] system will be fairly heavy; based on the need to ensure its own security, to reduce its visibility from space, it will be transportable but not fully mobile… The preliminary designs have already been completed, the system is now at the detailed engineering design stage”.11 Ashurbeili also revealed information about the future successor of the S-500: “The next air defense weapons that will replace the S-500 will be airborne rather than ground-based. They are already being developed and tested... It will be an aircraft that will monitor the airspace and not only track targets, but actually disable them.”12

    2. The annual report says that company’s Izdelie 40N6 has begun its state trials program as part of Izdelie 40R6, scheduled for completion in 2011. The document refers to the 40N6 long-range surface-to-air missile used in the S-400 SAM system. Once the new missile enters service the S-400 will be capable of destroying air targets up to 400km away. This is what Ashurbeili had to say about the work on the 40N6 missile back when he led GSKB: “trials [of the S-400] with this [long-range] missile took about three years, with launches against 15 or so targets. Now that work is complete; preliminary trials were completed on December 26, 2009. The missile has now been submitted for state trials. In Q3 2010 we should complete the state trials program with combat launches and begin mass production in Q4”.13

    3. Almaz-Antey has drawn up the designs for a command and control station (CCS) and a multifunction radar station (MRS) for a medium-range SAM system. It has assembled a prototype CCS unit and completed its internal trials. The annual report apparently refers to the future Vityaz-PVO SAM system, which GSKB began to develop back in the 1990s14, when it was still called NPO Almaz. In an interview last year Ashurbeili gave first details about the state of the Vityaz-PVO program15, the successor of the S-300PS (SA-10) SAM system. This medium-range system will use 9M96 missiles. It is being developed using the experience Almaz-Antey gained as part of a project to design an MRS for South Korea’s KM-SAM air defense system. A poster seen at the Bronnitsy demonstration in June 2001, entitled “Use of the BAZ-69092-012 chassis in air defense systems”, showed the 50K6 command and control station and the 50N6A MRS used in the Vityaz-PVO SAM system.16 Vityaz-PVO is expected to enter service in 2013-2014. Former GSKB chief Ashurbeili said in August 2011 that the only possible reason for a delay is insufficient financing of the trials program for the new missile used in that SAM system.17

    Almaz-Antey also said in the annual report that in 2010 it completed bench tests of a new naval shipborne short-range SAM system. The company continued trials of various components for the Poliment-Redut naval SAM system; it conducted ground trials of Izdelie 9M96 missiles and assembled Izdelie 9M96D and 9M100 missiles .

    The Almaz-Antey concern and its subsidiaries signed 162 contracts with the Russian MoD in 2010. The company has not disclosed the value of those contracts. It did say, however, that its contracts portfolio was up 103.1 per cent compared to 2008 and up 20 per cent from 2009. Most of the MoD contracts were for the delivery of new hardware; their share was 83.6 per cent, up from 75.2 per cent in 2009. The rest of the contracts were for repair and upgrade of existing weaponry. In 2010 the concern delivered 498 units of military hardware (49 different products in total) to Russian government customers, and completed deep refurbishment of 19 units (5 products). The names of the products have not been disclosed.


    GSKB Almaz-Antey annual report


    The biggest event for GSKB was the completion in December 2010 of its reorganization, which included the incorporation into its structure of the design bureaus belonging to Almaz-Antey concern, including MNIIPA, NIIRP, NIEMI and MNIIRE Altair. As a result, the Almaz-Antey concern’s share in the GSKB authorized capital increased from 61.8 to 82.5 per cent. Also, in February 2011 the company replaced Igor Ashurbeili, who had served as GSKB director-general since 2000.18 Ashurbeili had often made outspoken comments in the media, criticizing the Almaz-Antey concern itself and the Rosoboronexport corporation. His departure has been the most notable event for the concern this year. The new GSKB chief is Vitaliy Neskorodov, who had previously served as Ashurbeili’s first deputy.

    Main projects for the Russian MoD

    1. The annual report says that GSKB is developing an all-purpose long-range SAM system capable of intercepting ballistic targets at high altitude. The system is based on solutions developed for the Triumf SAM system (R&D Project 55R6M). The document apparently refers to the S-500 Triumfator-M SAM system.
    2. GSKB is working to improve the S-400 Triumf SAM system. This is apparently in reference to the completion of trials of the 40N6 long-range surface-to-air missile.
    3. GSKB is developing a medium-range SAM system for use across the armed forces, based on solutions developed for the Triumf, Poliment-Redut and Buk-3M air defense systems. This is the first appearance of information about the project in a GSKB annual report.
    4.GSKB is developing a system of countermeasures against high-precision weapons to be used across the armed forces (R&D Project 42S6). The annual report is referring to the Morfei extra-short range SAM system, which was mentioned by Ashurbeili in an interview.19 There is next to no official information about that system. According to Internet sources,20 Morfei consists of a command and control station and a mobile combat unit with a multifunction radar mounted on a BZKT chassis. A view from the side of the future SAM system’s mobile combat unit was shown on the posters designated as 70N6 at the demonstration event in Bronnitsy in June 2011.21 It can be speculated that the new system will be armed with compact new-generation SAM missiles (probably 9M338K22), with a strike range of up to 5km (up to 10 km according to some sources).

    The GSKB annual report says that as part of R&D Project 42S6, in 2010 the company developed a set of engineering designs for a multifunction radar station, manufactured some components of MRS units and command and control stations, assembled a prototype MRS unit, a mobile combat unit chassis and transmitter-receiver modules.
    5. GSKB is developing an airborne laser system of countermeasures against space-based missile defense elements. The annual report is apparently referring to the Sokol-Eshelon airborne system; its components include the A-60 aircraft, a special version of the Il-76 developed by the TANTK Beriev design bureau. In May 2011 that aircraft (the second prototype, designated as 1A2) was demonstrated to the general public at the TANTK Beriev airfield.23 The Sokol-Eshelon project was first mentioned in an Almaz-Antey annual report in 2005. It appears that the main purpose of the A-60 is to disable optical-electronic systems of satellites (especially early warning satellites) of the future American missile defense system.24 GSKB’s projects in 2010 also included the development of a future automated air traffic and air defense control system, as well as R&D projects 50R6A (Vityaz-PVO SAM system) and 97L6 (future long-range radar).

    On the manufacturing side of its business, in 2010 GSKB delivered to the Russian MoD two 55K6M control stations for the S-400 SAM system and two units of Product 92N6A (multifunction radar station for the S-40025).


    Activity on the foreign markets


    As part of international cooperation programs GSKB has been negotiating possible contracts for the S-400 SAM system with Saudi Arabia and conducted technical consultations regarding the S-400 with China. GSKB also developed proposals for China regarding the upgrade of previously supplied S-300PMU1 (SA-20A) SAM systems and the 83M6E command and control systems to the Favorite (SA-20B) SAM system specifications. It also developed technical proposals for Algeria regarding the integration of the 54K6E2 control station (S-300PMU2 Favorit) with radar protection measures. As part of the KMSAM R&D project (development and delivery of a multifunction radar for the KM-SAM system) GSKB delivered two multifunction radar stations to South Korea.

    1 The annual reports are available at the Almaz-Antey concern’s website (www.almaz-antey.ru) and the GSKB Almaz-Antey website (www.raspletin.ru).

    2 On an agreement between Vneshekonombank and the Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern // Vneshekonombank press release of August 21, 2007.

    3 Almaz-Antey Air Defense Concern to spend more than 3.5bn roubles on building new plants // Interfax-AVN, August 11, 2011

    4 Kiseleva E., Sichkar O. PVO gathering lands // Kommersant, March 19, 2010.

    5 Photo gallery on the web page http://www.missiles.ru/Bronnici-2011_foto.htm.

    6 Ibid.

    7 “Russian engineers think quicker than Russian bureaucrats”. Interview with Igor Ashurbeili // Kommersant, April 30, 2011.

    8 To arms! Interview with first deputy defense minister Vladimir Popovkin // Rossiyskaya Gazeta, July 12, 2010.

    9 Triumf mark. Interview with GSKB Almaz-Antey director-general Igor Ashurbeili // Izvestiya, April 29, 2010.

    10 Photo gallery on the web page http://www.missiles.ru/Bronnici-2011_foto.htm.

    11 New missile defense system around Moscow to use the S-500 after 2015 // RIA Novosti, August 15, 2011.

    12 Designer: Russia’s future missile defense systems to be airborne // RIA Novosti, August 15, 2011.

    13 “Russian engineers think quicker than Russian bureaucrats”. Interview with Igor Ashurbeili // Kommersant, April 30, 2011.

    14 See: Aminov S. Commentary to Almaz Antey Air Defense Concern 2009 Annual Report // Eksport vooruzheniy, No 4, 2010.

    15 “Russian engineers think quicker than Russian bureaucrats”. Interview with Igor Ashurbeili // Kommersant, April 30, 2011.

    16 Photo gallery on the web page http://www.missiles.ru/Bronnici-2011_foto.htm.

    17 Vityaz air defense system to replace the S-300 in 2013-2014 – designer // RIA Novosti, August 15, 2011.

    18 GSKB Almaz-Antey board meeting // GSKB Almaz-Antey press release of February 4, 2011.

    19 “Russian engineers think quicker than Russian bureaucrats”. Interview with Igor Ashurbeili // Kommersant, April 30, 2011.

    20 Otvaga web site’s message board (http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=48&p=2).

    21 Photo gallery on the web page http://www.missiles.ru/Bronnici-2011_foto.htm.

    22 Future Russian air defense systems // BMPD blog (http://bmpd.livejournal.com/12417.html).

    23 A-60 experimental airborne laser combat system up close // BMPD blog (http://bmpd.livejournal.com/6226.html).

    24 Head of Russian MoD’s weapons department Anatoliy Gulyayev: “The future Russian air defense system will include airborne laser countermeasures against optical-electronic components of satellites used in America’s future missile defense system”. See: Voennyy parad, No 2, 2011.

    25 Lemanskiy A., Ashurbeili I., Nenartovich N. S-400 Triumf SAM system: long-range detection, precise tracking, guaranteed destruction of target // Vozhdushno-kosmicheskaya oborona (vko.ru).
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    Austin, with all due respect, you are quoting 2010 report, not 2011. In 2011 report 40N6 missile isn't mentioned at all. With all due respect to Ashurbeili, the information in his interviews is far from exactly true. The actual 2010 report mentions only the fact that state acceptance trials of 40N6 have started and expected to finished in 2011. We know now that the trials were not finished in 2011.

    In 2009-2011 eight missiles were produced for live firing tests. Only one launch was considered succesful, missile exploding in the vicinity of the target at 350 km distance. The production of 40N6 missiles for 2012 was scaled down from 12 to 10 to 8, only 4 of them were regarded as test missiles the other 4 were regarded as pre-production. Many missile components haven't been tested to full extent. Nevertheless, A-A is going to push the into production. For comparison, around 200 live firings were used during tests of S-200 system. Of course, it was then and now is now.

    Regarding 55R6M (S-500) the 2011 report says the following: Mock-ups and models of the main components has been carried out, documentation in preparation, some components being manufactured.
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    Austin, if you wish, I can give you direct links to A-A annual reports, but that will be in Russian

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    Why are they funding so few of the new missiles; with such big S-400 deployment plans you would think it would be a priority.
    http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9098/rsz11rsz3807.jpg

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    It is not necessary for them to publish exact things they are selling defence items to government. some element of surprize necessary.

    now they are putting Iran issue on front. they want to sell it.
    http://www.almaz-antey.ru/about/pres...tion/1031.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR1 View Post
    Why are they funding so few of the new missiles; with such big S-400 deployment plans you would think it would be a priority.
    40N6 is the high-end of S-400, the numbers will be comparatively low anyway.

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    So 40N6 is still unfinished

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    Quote Originally Posted by snake65 View Post
    Austin, with all due respect, you are quoting 2010 report, not 2011. In 2011 report 40N6 missile isn't mentioned at all. With all due respect to Ashurbeili, the information in his interviews is far from exactly true. The actual 2010 report mentions only the fact that state acceptance trials of 40N6 have started and expected to finished in 2011. We know now that the trials were not finished in 2011.
    Well under the circumstance the Report is the best bet for any official information , Now there could be other information but those are non-verified ones ...it is possible that 40N6 might have faced unanticipated challeges in State Trials which was suppose to last a year and got delayed ....recent information from Russian Air Force official states that 40N6 is ready for production.

    In 2009-2011 eight missiles were produced for live firing tests. Only one launch was considered succesful, missile exploding in the vicinity of the target at 350 km distance. The production of 40N6 missiles for 2012 was scaled down from 12 to 10 to 8, only 4 of them were regarded as test missiles the other 4 were regarded as pre-production. Many missile components haven't been tested to full extent. Nevertheless, A-A is going to push the into production. For comparison, around 200 live firings were used during tests of S-200 system. Of course, it was then and now is now.
    The official Almaz report clearly states that 15 launches were carried against target may be all were not successful.

    I read that 40N6 missile has a range of 400 km and altitude of interception of 185 km ,which if true will be a truly new missile and hence the challenges involved are quite high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snake65 View Post
    Austin, if you wish, I can give you direct links to A-A annual reports, but that will be in Russian
    Do you have the 2011 Almaz Antey report in Russian ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    Well under the circumstance the Report is the best bet for any official information , Now there could be other information but those are non-verified ones ...it is possible that 40N6 might have faced unanticipated challeges in State Trials which was suppose to last a year and got delayed ....recent information from Russian Air Force official states that 40N6 is ready for production.



    The official Almaz report clearly states that 15 launches were carried against target may be all were not successful.
    Austin, the official 2010 report DOES NOT state the number of missiles, it only mentions that tests of 40N6 missile as part of 40R6 (S-400) missile system have been started in 2010 and should be finished in 2011. It is Ashurbeili in his interview who gives the number of missiles as 15.
    The official 2011 report doesn't mention tests of 40N6 AT ALL, which can mean that something is going wrong, because it mentions succesful state acceptance tests of 9M317M (VLS Shtil) and even preliminary tests of 9M331M (Tor-M2) with 9M338K missile, which are far from being well and ready.
    The link to 2011 report is here:
    http://www.almaz-antey.ru/_files/13/1033/
    Link for 2010 report:
    http://www.almaz-antey.ru/_files/13/371/
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    Quote Originally Posted by snake65 View Post
    Austin, the official 2010 report DOES NOT state the number of missiles, it only mentions that tests of 40N6 missile as part of 40R6 (S-400) missile system have been started in 2010 and should be finished in 2011. It is Ashurbeili in his interview who gives the number of missiles as 15
    Thanks for the links

    Why do you think Ashurbeili would be less than honest with the trial report of 2010 ?

    What do you make out of the recent statement of Russian Defence Official to rian

    http://ria.ru/arms_news/20120628/687250921.html

    "Long-range missile for the S-400 is now tested and will soon be available to the troops," - he said.
    To me if you connect the dots from 2010 to 2011 , it seems that the state trials of 40N6 has been sucessfully completed and now it is going under production and perhaps some limited amount has been produced.

    Can you confirm of 40N6 has indeed 185 km Intercept altitude and 400 km + range
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    2011 Report mentions this

    A pilot batch ed. 9M96D, initiated autonomous flight tests in ground range, manufactured and
    preliminary testing of key components ed. 9M100.
    So 9M96D is a Naval Variant of 9M96E1 ,120Km range missile ?

    9M100 I suppose a naval variant of RVV-SD and RVV-MD ?

    polyment-Redoute looks like an X band AESA for Naval Applications
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    2011 Report mentions this



    So 9M96D is a Naval Variant of 9M96E1 ,120Km range missile ?

    9M100 I suppose a naval variant of RVV-SD and RVV-MD ?

    polyment-Redoute looks like an X band AESA for Naval Applications
    Right on first two counts, but I'm not sure that Polyment is an X-band.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    Thanks for the links

    Why do you think Ashurbeili would be less than honest with the trial report of 2010 ?

    What do you make out of the recent statement of Russian Defence Official to rian

    http://ria.ru/arms_news/20120628/687250921.html



    To me if you connect the dots from 2010 to 2011 , it seems that the state trials of 40N6 has been sucessfully completed and now it is going under production and perhaps some limited amount has been produced.

    Can you confirm of 40N6 has indeed 185 km Intercept altitude and 400 km + range
    I'm not asuming that Ashurbeili is dishonest, just having a bias how to present facts. Remember, he was expelled from the company, the interview was to show that everything was fine while he was at the helm of the company. There may have been 15 missiles produced, just not all of them used in launches, or it may have been a plan to produce 15 missile which was later reduced as with 2012 plan.
    Regarding the succesful completion of tests - I can't see this success to be omitted from the 2011 report. Something was definitely not going as planned, I can't see other reason why this topic wasn't mentioned in the report at all. There is a funny coincidence that the announcements that 40N6 has passed the tests and is ready for production poped out in April and the 2011 report was adopted in May.
    As to the intecept data - so far I have information of a 350 km intercept, can't say anything about the confirmed altitude. Insiders are talking that currently the missile system with proven longest range/altitude is S-300B-4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snake65 View Post
    Regarding the succesful completion of tests - I can't see this success to be omitted from the 2011 report. Something was definitely not going as planned, I can't see other reason why this topic wasn't mentioned in the report at all. There is a funny coincidence that the announcements that 40N6 has passed the tests and is ready for production poped out in April and the 2011 report was adopted in May.
    2011 report is surprisingly low on information on many system compared to 2010 system and also missed on data on 40N6 and other that was present in 2010 report but then it adds data on 9M96D and 9M100 that was not there before.

    So i suspect the reason why you dont find some of the systems mentioned is because they dont want to mention it for what ever reason , no point speculating on it. My best guess here is the state trials took longer time because of complexity of trials and not fully meeting user requirement and/or lack of available targets as Ashurbeili had earlier alluded too.

    But i think those are right now in the past ,i wont discount senior officer statement few days back that new missile is ready for deployment and passed all trials.

    Right now most Russian SAM are quite long on range and low on altitude of interception best case is 30-40 km , they need to improve that to above 100 km plus


    As to the intecept data - so far I have information of a 350 km intercept, can't say anything about the confirmed altitude. Insiders are talking that currently the missile system with proven longest range/altitude is S-300B-4.[/QUOTE]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    2011 report is surprisingly low on information on many system compared to 2010 system and also missed on data on 40N6 and other that was present in 2010 report but then it adds data on 9M96D and 9M100 that was not there before.
    You are wrong, Austin. 9M96D and 9M100 are mentioned in 2010 report as being manufactured, 9M96 is reported in land-based trials, in 2011 9M96D is reported in land-based trials and 9M100 is still in manufacturing stage. So there is a continuity. The same applies to tests of 3M14 (land attack Club). 40N6 is missing in 2011 which is not a good sign, keeping in mind that even initial trials of 9M331M and S-300B-4 have been mentioned.
    Regarding interviews of high-ranking military officials - inconsistency with real life is seriously alarming, if you keep a record of what they are saying. This has happened to introduction of any major weapon system in the last 20 years.

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    So what about 40N6? It is still develop or finish tests ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark View Post
    So what about 40N6? It is still develop or finish tests ?
    If the chief of PVO has announced it ready for production - so be it. If the army is willing to accept missile with unproven characteristics - who am I to object. As I said, the production rate is going to be meager for the time being anyway.

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    Interesting photo, Marshall Ustinov next to Kirov. Kirov looks like it got some new paint that was lacking before.

    All in all it looks in much better shape than Lazarev. Why is it not being considered for potential return to service, while Lazarev is?

    http://forums.airbase.ru/2012/07/t73...ratsii.97.html
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    Nice video, Neustrashimy shoots down Termit with Kinzhal, missile boat shoots a Malakhit, etc.
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    So the 40N6 missile it is defeat. mayby the new 9M82M will be better?

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    Russia Filming Movie on Gulf of Aden Hostage Release
    14:54 09/07/2012
    VLADIVOSTOK, July 9 (RIA Novosti)

    A subsidiary of Russia’s Mosfilm group has started filming an adventure movie recreating an operation to release a Russian vessel seized by Somali pirates in 2010, fleet spokesman Roman Martov said on Monday.

    On May 6, 2010, the crew of the Admiral Shaposhnikov large submarine-hunter freed an oil tanker seized by Somali pirates; 23 Russian sailors from the hijacked vessel escaped the incident unscathed. As a result of the rescue efforts, 10 pirates were captured and one killed. The rescue operation took 22 minutes.

    The film recreating the operation will be called "22 Minutes."

    “Filming began on Sunday in the Primorsk Territory. The film crew is now working at the Basargin Lighthouse [located near Vladivostok] which is known for its beautiful sea panoramas,” a spokesman for Mosfilm said.

    He said filming will continue onboard the Admiral Tributs destroyer that also took part in the operation in the Gulf of Aden. The film will feature not only actors but also commandos.


    For those interested in watching movies...here is some links for Mosfilm.
    http://www.mosfilm.ru (official site)
    http://www.imdb.com/company/co0028450/
    http://www.youtube.com/user/Mosfilm (Movies with English subtitles)
    http://www.youtube.com/user/MosfilmNews
    http://www.cinema.mosfilm.ru/Films.aspx
    http://www.cinema.mosfilm.ru/MainPage.aspx?gmt=-330

    It has been long since I saw Russian Navy ship in movies. So looking forward to watch the "22 minutes".

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    Quote Originally Posted by snake65 View Post
    You are wrong, Austin. 9M96D and 9M100 are mentioned in 2010 report as being manufactured, 9M96 is reported in land-based trials, in 2011 9M96D is reported in land-based trials and 9M100 is still in manufacturing stage.
    Yes you are right on 9M96D and 9M100 it was there in 2010 report though i missed it because it just few lines mentioned

    I think the concept of RF and IR seeker for CIWS will be interesting as you can have fire and forget system and can target more number of targets.

    So future CIWS for Russian Navy Ships will be Plama Gun System and 9M100 missile system ?

    The same applies to tests of 3M14 (land attack Club). 40N6 is missing in 2011 which is not a good sign, keeping in mind that even initial trials of 9M331M and S-300B-4 have been mentioned.
    Yes i did see the Klub and S-300V4 mentioned .....the V4 according to Russian Defence Official has a range of 400 km.

    Regarding interviews of high-ranking military officials - inconsistency with real life is seriously alarming, if you keep a record of what they are saying. This has happened to introduction of any major weapon system in the last 20 years.
    I would be surprised if Russian Defence Official are not speaking the truth on such important systems .... considering what they managed to do in 80 and 90's with S-300PM1/2 and then S-300VM ....... S-400 big missile need not be a big challenge like the S-500 system .....its mere continuation of S-300 system

    This is what a defence official said about S-400 some time back

    Moscow. July 27. Interfax-AVN - The regiment, consisting of two battalions of antiaircraft missile system (ZRS) C-400 will be adopted for the Air Forces of Russia in 2005, told Interfax-AVN, Acting Chief of the Air Force, Colonel-General Anatoly Nogovitsyn.
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    Due to the high degree of unification of the park one missile system S-400 will increase to six. S-400 missiles can destroy targets in near space - at altitudes up to 185 km, at a distance of 400-450 km, the general said, noting that WLU is capable to work on maritime and ground targets. " "It is a new complex, noise-free, with high accuracy characteristics, including the possibility of targeting the aviation component," - he stressed.
    Check SOC post on the trial of 48N6 missile out to a range of 400 km in mid 80

    link


    IMHO the challenge will be S-500 with the new interceptor and new AESA radar .....thats in the order of magnitude far greater challenge than S-400 system ......S-400 has its own critics where some time back a Russian Official ( from State Duma ) criticised it for its huge power requirement and size.
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    Snake65 , Can you summarise in brief the key points in that report , Thanks
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    Is Mitrofan Moskalenko still in service? The last member of Ivan Rogov class.
    It should be the largest landing ship in Russian service until Vladivostok comes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austin View Post
    2011 Report mentions this



    So 9M96D is a Naval Variant of 9M96E1 ,120Km range missile ?

    9M100 I suppose a naval variant of RVV-SD and RVV-MD ?

    polyment-Redoute looks like an X band AESA for Naval Applications
    AFAIK, 9m100 is not specifically related to being a naval variant, but it being a vertical launch variant of the said missiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellum View Post
    Is Mitrofan Moskalenko still in service? The last member of Ivan Rogov class.
    It should be the largest landing ship in Russian service until Vladivostok comes.
    Shez in reserve along with her sister ship in Black sea fleet.

    Below is a Turkish design which is almost a pr.1174. Russia had every capability to produce a modernized version of the pr.1174 (like below Turkish design) or an enlarged variant of the original pr.1174 design. Unfortunately, the MOD chose not to...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Distiller View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JangBoGo View Post
    On May 27 the Japanese had spotted a Russian task force of 28 ships, somewhat to the south. Japanese sent everything they had to intercept. Looks like they got only 2 - those 26 mentioned in the link must have gotten away and made it North!
    I did not get what you meant. What did i miss?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JangBoGo View Post
    AFAIK, 9m100 is not specifically related to being a naval variant, but it being a vertical launch variant of the said missiles.
    Its VLS version id going to be used only in naval SAM Redut for now, therefore it can be considered as naval version.

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