Pakistan Air Force Thread 4.

**jawad** · 13th November 2011, 15:29

Coming back to the topic

Pakistani Defence Minister has said, "Three squadrons are already flying the aircraft in Pakistan and one squadron in China,” at the Dubai Air Show

**Boom** · 13th November 2011, 15:50

well PAF has done well policing and forcing the the Indian helicopter

just to be on the right side of facts, there was no policing or forcing. the cheetah landed in a pakistani controlled area due to bad weather. once there they were discovered by pakistani camp personnel nearby. more like a stroke of good luck than adept policing let alone forcing (with what one might ask).

**jawad** · 13th November 2011, 16:26

Originally Posted by Boom

just to be on the right side of facts, there was no policing or forcing. the cheetah landed in a pakistani controlled area due to bad weather. once there they were discovered by pakistani camp personnel nearby. more like a stroke of good luck than adept policing let alone forcing (with what one might ask).

DG Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Major Gen. Athar Abbas words were "It was forced to land.”

Pakistan agreed with the Indian version that the violation Was caused due to volatile weather and thats why they let them go but that doesnt change the fact that "It was forced to land.”

Here is what Indian News Papers had reported

Indian Army copter forced to land in Pakistan, released

ANITA JOSHUA

Pakistan allowed an Indian helicopter with four Army personnel on board to return home on Sunday evening; about five hours after it was forced to land in Skardu for violating the Pakistani airspace.

The chopper, which intruded into Pakistan's airspace near Olding in northern Skardu near Kargil on the Indian side, was forced to land around 1 p.m. local time.

Chopper row resolved: Pak returns Indian Army helicopter, crew

Pakistan forces Indian helicopter to land

"Our air defense aircraft immediately scrambled into the air and reached the area and forced the helicopter to land," a Pakistan air force official said.

**Type59** · 13th November 2011, 16:36

Lets just say it was bad weather. It does not matter what the truth is. What matters is the need to stop a flame fest.

**Rookh** · 13th November 2011, 16:38

FC-1/JF-17 at Dubai Airshow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujpnTfUQ2ks

**jawad** · 13th November 2011, 16:48

Originally Posted by Type59

Lets just say it was bad weather. It does not matter what the truth is. What matters is the need to stop a flame fest.

Done, No replies just the silent treatment :diablo:

Originally Posted by Rookh

FC-1/JF-17 at Dubai Airshow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujpnTfUQ2ks

Thanks man, was looking for the display video

**PLA-MKII** · 13th November 2011, 20:37

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_i11lVumg4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJQxGXU2EYo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZiNZ7ByqSE

**Boom** · 13th November 2011, 22:16

jawad, we know what ISPR said (which Indian newspapers repeated).

don't you think it is strange he offered *no* details about how exactly that forcing happened ? which valiant fighter pilot or SAM group commander did that ? not to mention the fact that pakistan has next to nothing in that region which can force anything to land, the nearest airbases being 100's of km away.

oh btw, we have heard many things from ISPR, their record is dodgy to say the least.

(for example, osama is not in pakistan)

**MaximumG** · 13th November 2011, 22:32

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jrz6Y7Z4t8

**jawad** · 14th November 2011, 08:01

Pakistan air force jet crashes, killing pilot

Pakistan's air force says one of its fighter jets has crashed during a training mission because of a technical problem and that the pilot was killed in the crash.The air force says in a written statement that the jet crashed on Monday near Attock, a town about 40 miles (70 kilometers) west of the capital, Islamabad.

Pilot flying the aircraft was Squadron Leader Muhammad Hussain, his parachute didn't open.

**jawad** · 14th November 2011, 08:03

Originally Posted by Boom

jawad, we know what ISPR said (which Indian newspapers repeated).

don't you think it is strange he offered *no* details about how exactly that forcing happened ? which valiant fighter pilot or SAM group commander did that ? not to mention the fact that pakistan has next to nothing in that region which can force anything to land, the nearest airbases being 100's of km away.

oh btw, we have heard many things from ISPR, their record is dodgy to say the least.

(for example, osama is not in pakistan)

My friend we are all allowed to have opinions so you may believe what ever makes you happy

**jawad** · 14th November 2011, 08:05

Air Commodore Khalid Mahmood informed the media that JF-17 Thunder as already completed 10,000 sorties in Pakistani service. He added that two squadrons of JF-17 are fully active with the air force and third is in process of being equipped with the thunder and it will be activated in the coming months.

Read more: Pakistan Air Force's JF-17 Thunder Completes 10,000 Sorties ~ Pakistan Military Review

**jawad** · 14th November 2011, 08:24

Crashed aircraft may have been JF-17 Thudner

**akj** · 14th November 2011, 12:32

Originally Posted by jawad

Crashed aircraft may have been JF-17 Thudner

It is confirmed to be be JF-17

http://paktribune.com/news/JF-17-Thu...ed-245092.html

RIP

**Rookh** · 14th November 2011, 12:37

RIP, sad loss indeed

I think he was one of the pilots who came to Farnborough last year, I spent some time talking with him, great guy and he provided some insightful details on the JF-17.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/63771166@N07/6343332121/

**Deino** · 14th November 2011, 12:54

Here are some more photos !

http://top81.jschina.com.cn/top81bbs...042&id=3498042

RIP

**Twinblade** · 14th November 2011, 12:58

Originally Posted by Deino

Here are some more photos !

http://top81.jschina.com.cn/top81bbs...042&id=3498042

RIP

The impact seems quite massive. Did the aircraft crash immediately after take off ? seems as if it was topped up with fuel.

**Boom** · 14th November 2011, 13:06

RIP to the pilot.

which ejection seat does the jf17 use ?

**Deino** · 14th November 2011, 13:12

Originally Posted by Boom

RIP to the pilot.

which ejection seat does the jf17 use ?

The Martin Baker Mk-16 is a special PAF-requested version !

**redgriffin** · 14th November 2011, 13:14

The same as the F-35, Typhoon & Rafale. Google it.

**Rookh** · 14th November 2011, 13:41

It seems the Martin Baker ejector seat worked ok, but the parachute failed to deploy?

**BlackArcher** · 14th November 2011, 15:10

bad PR for a fighter being marketed at Dubai..any idea what technical malfunction resulted in the crash?

**jawad** · 14th November 2011, 19:02

If i am not wrong JF-17 did performed today at the Dubai air show after the news of crash (can any one confirm if this was the case or not)

This picture confirms that crashed aircraft was indeed JF-17 Thunder.

Read more: Crash Site Images Confirming JF-17 Thunder Crash ~ Pakistan Military Review

RD-93 and LERXs of JF-17 can be seen in this picture

**MaximumG** · 14th November 2011, 20:19

R.I.P.

**redgriffin** · 14th November 2011, 21:23

Not officially out yet, but it was a birdstrike/ingestion leading to an engine fire or flameout. Sqdrn Leader Hussain was trying to get to Kamra in all probability. He would have made it had he succeeded in cresting the hill. Kamra was only a few klicks over.

**Rookh** · 14th November 2011, 23:00

Better video of the JF-17 at Dubai airshow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk7Ui...layer_embedded

**Twinblade** · 15th November 2011, 05:14

Advanced avionics helping Pakistan to break militants

According to the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) it has flown more than 5,500 strike sorties over the country’s troubled tribal regions since May 2008. In a rare glimpse into Pakistan’s attempt to counter domestic terrorism from the air, the commander of the PAF described some lessons learned to the Air Chiefs Conference here in Dubai on Saturday.

The PAF has completely overhauled its tactics and techniques for the conduct of irregular warfare, Suleiman said. All of the squadrons were put through a training program over a four-month period. Laser-guided bombs have been used in 80 percent of the PAF strikes, the PAF chief revealed. Avoiding collateral damage was a primary concern, he explained, “especially since we were engaging targets within our own country. We engage isolated structures only, away from populated areas.”

More than 10,600 bombs have been dropped, and 4,600 targets destroyed, he said. The PAF has flown more than 500 F-16 sorties with the DB-110 pod, and 650 with the Star Safire EO/IR sensor on the C-130.

Now this is the story that hasn't been retold much. 10,600 bombs in 3 years, that's like 9 bombs a day, pretty intense for irregular warfare.

**Rookh** · 15th November 2011, 18:45

A medley of clips of the JF-17 at Dubai...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL4SS...eature=related

Interesting to see the JF-17 landing without brake chute assistance at 8:30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeSVjMkLjU4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-ldl...eature=related

**Deino** · 16th November 2011, 15:07

http://tuku.military.china.com/milit...53_1966038.htm
Deino

**Peter G** · 21st November 2011, 22:45

JDW has confirmed the JF-17 Block 2 will include inflight refuelling probe (they had previously said all would be fitted with probe by 2015), improved frequency coverage for jammer pod and two seat version.

It will also have 'improved avionics', but will remain with the original radar.

It further speculates South African avionics and A Darter in future.

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