Vietnamese Navy

[J-20 Hotdog]

new ships from Russia.

[snake65]

Project 11661 corvette

[J-20 Hotdog]

Vietnam Kilo 636 Submarine Technology More Advanced Than China Kilo 636 ?

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Kilo 636 submarine (photo :Navalshow)



07 May, 2011 DEFENSE STUDIES



Commentary Han Hoa Military Magazine in April, a leading source of military technology expert reputation in Moscow (Russia) said that under a bilateral agreement signed between Russia and Vietnam, in 2013, Vietnam will receive the first Kilo submarines, a year later as the second and the last one will be delivered in 2017.Compared with 636-MK submarines that use by the Chinese Navy, Kilo 636-MV submarines that Russia sold to Vietnam has many differences, of which the largest is about armament.



First, Vietnam's Kilo submarines will be fitted with land attack cruise missile 3M-14E latest type, with a range of 290 km. Missiles are not Russia's Defense Ministry approved the export to China. Apart from Vietnam, two other countries are exporting Russian 3M-14E missiles is India and Algeria.



Besides that, Kilo 636-MV submarine is equipped with radar-guided complex multi-effects post GE2-01 type. This has not been removed for export to China, the biggest advantage is minimizing the noise in the environment and help diversify measures directions.



Sonar system, Kilo 636-MK China submarines is equipped with sonar systems MGK 400E basic types. Meanwhile, the Kilo 636-MV submarines are installing sonar systems MGK 400E type improvements. Two sonar system has the same sounding range, but the sonar system type MGK 400E is equipped with improved signal processing speed and performance more digitized higher level.



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Novator 3M-14E Club S missile type of land attack cruise missile, max range 290km (photo : Elforo)



On the periscope, both Kilo 636-MK submarine and Kilo 636-MV submarines are equipped with sounding optical system, but the periscope used for tasks Kilo 636-MV attack submarines are installation of additional equipment measuring distance from IR ray and TV monitoring systems, Meanwhile, Kilo 636MK submarines primarily use optical aiming device and no distance measurement beam from. That means fighting capability at night and the attack accuracy of the Kilo 636-MV submarine will be higher than Kilo 636-MK submarine.



Final difference is the air conditioning system that Kilo 636-MV submarines using more appropriate to the climate, tropical terrain.



Besides these differences, Kilo submarines that Russia sold to China and the Russian Kilo submarine exports to Vietnam have some similarities, such as the missile is equipped with 3M-54E anti-ship, and used batteries 476 E type of improvement, long life and meet the requirements of the water temperature in the Pacific Ocean.



Sources said that the production time of two submarines on each other for over 5 years, the technology equipped for Kilo 636-MV submarines is granted with more advanced than Kilo 636-MK. Considering the differences above, according to the magazine, although both are Kilo 636 M submarines, but the gap in technology between the Kilo 636-MV submarine and Kilo 636-MK submarine at least 10 years.



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Novator 3M-54E Club S type of anti ship cruise missile, max range 220km (photo : Elforo)



About 6 Kilo submarines sold by Russia to Vietnam, long have information that Vietnam can use them to build two fleets. However, according to sources, six submarines of the Kilo 636-MV Vietnam will be arranged uniformly, forming a Russian fleet and the construction will be in charge of all media repository missiles at seaports and oxygen supply stations as part of the contents of bilateral agreements signed with Vietnam.



Related to the purchase price of Kilo 636-MVsubmarine, formerly reported that Vietnam Navy may have to buy Kilo 636-MV submarines with high prices. But according to sources, the price of Kilo 636-MV submarines that Russia sold to Vietnam is completely true and current prices Russia has started to manufacture first Kilo 636 submarines for Vietnam.

[Lonevolk]

1 more of the Vietnamese Gepard

[J-20 Hotdog]

1 more of the Vietnamese Gepard

how many total ordered and delivered so far?

[Tango III]

The Vietnam People's Navy has ordered two Gepard 3.9 class frigates in 2006.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gepard_class_frigate

And the Vietnamese Navy will soon receive its second Gepard 3.9-class frigate.

http://www.naval-technology.com/news/news120700.html

[Wanshan]

1 more of the Vietnamese Gepard

Thanks for this view. Looking at it, and particularly the service-bay-like area just forward of the landing pad, I'm wondering why they didn't equip her with a (e.g. telescopic, as on Sovremenny?) hangar...

[secondparttohel]

Thanks for this view. Looking at it, and particularly the service-bay-like area just forward of the landing pad, I'm wondering why they didn't equip her with a (e.g. telescopic, as on Sovremenny?) hangar...

I heard that the main task of this vessel is as a command post (Sigma-E) system so it has good radars and datalink system to provide intels and guidance for smaller ships that Vietnamese navy is having in its arsenal. As a result, the ability to carry helicopter is not particularly important.

[secondparttohel]

Related to the purchase price of Kilo 636-MVsubmarine, formerly reported that Vietnam Navy may have to buy Kilo 636-MV submarines with high prices. But according to sources, the price of Kilo 636-MV submarines that Russia sold to Vietnam is completely true and current prices Russia has started to manufacture first Kilo 636 submarines for Vietnam.

Russia often offers Vietnam good purchasing price for its military equipment probably owing to the historical relationship. I remembered they sold Su-27SK/UB to Vietnam at a relatively low price $28 or 30M a piece or something like that.

[secondparttohel]

Project 11661 corvette

Hi Snake65, do you know what radars and datalink system this one is using? My friends have been debating about that for weeks if it's using Garpun-Bal or Mineral-ME

[snake65]

Hi Snake65, do you know what radars and datalink system this one is using? My friends have been debating about that for weeks if it's using Garpun-Bal or Mineral-ME

34K1 Monolit

[panda]

On 1 January 3, Vietnam Command Navy Region 5, the 127th Brigade received two Navy ships and HQ-264 HQ-265, perform training duties, patrolling, management, protection of sovereign waters Southwest.

This type of vessel is equipped with fighting weapons systems have the advantage of automatic control, contributing to enhance the combat, as well as search and rescue capability, remote rescue at sea.

In the same day, Command Navy Region 2 received HQ-272 gun ships, patrol boats at sea today's most modern production by Vietnam.
http://trendnex.biz/defence/1983-iet...tlyak-gunships

[TR1]

Max range of the Kh-35s should be 260km. The 130km is the old motor made in Ukraine, the new ones are Russian made and have improved range. I assume given how new the boats are, they have the Russian missiles.

[El_Indigo]

Very likely, seeing as Tatarstan is armed with new Kh-35's. Or at least I take it, it is.


http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/conte...20908-mijg.htm

(between 1:05 and 1:20)

[J-20 Hotdog]

whats the helicopter on that Russian model? doesn't look like anything from Russia.

[JangBoGo]

whats the helicopter on that Russian model? doesn't look like anything from Russia.

from the general looks of that twin-engined helo (except the tail rotor part), it looks like they meant Ka-60.

[dragon warrior]

they bought 4 sigma during the 2011 visit. will be interesting to see how those stack up against the new 056 corvette class that has just been introduced by plan and will most likely mass produced in the next year or so.

[TR1]

they bought 4 sigma during the 2011 visit. will be interesting to see how those stack up against the new 056 corvette class that has just been introduced by plan and will most likely mass produced in the next year or so.

Is it inked, or just interest?

All the links from 2011 are confirmation of negotiations, nothing firm.

Though if signed, that will be 8 new frigates, probably within the first 5 years of this decade alone.

[Wanshan]

Sigma have got a new competitor from Russia and it would be better for Vietnam to invest in these... The new design is based on the Pr.21631 Buyan-M, which is modified version of the Pr.21630 Buyan. These can definitely compliment the Gepards.

These would be very good for not just Vietname but also for Indonesia who have got lot of Islands spread across to patrol. The Russian option definetely would be cheaper than the European ones. Till now Russia did not have a class of ship to compete with Sigma, but it looks like JSC Zelenodlsk Design Bureau have come up with a right sized one.

Sigma <> Buyan-M
ARE THEY COMPARABLE SHIPS?!?

Displacement:
550 Tons (project 21630)
949 Tons (project 21631)

Length:
62 m (203 ft) (21630)
74.1 m (243 ft) (21631)

Beam:
9.6 m (31 ft) (21630)
11 m (36 ft) (21631)

Height: 6.57 m (22 ft)

Draft:
2 m (7 ft) (21630)
2.6 m (9 ft) (21631)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyan_class_corvette

Sigma stands for Ship Integrated Geometrical Modularity Approach. The ship's main dimensions are named in the types itself, SIGMA 9113 stands for 91 meters long and 13 meters wide, same is with the SIGMA 10513, 105 meters in length and 13 meters wide.

Indonesia has four 9113 class corvettes (1,692 tons) in active service by 2009 and in August 2010 has signed a deal to build frigate PKR 105 based on SIGMA 10514 in PT PAL Shipyard Indonesia. (2400 tons)
Morocco has ordered two 9813 class heavy corvettes (with VLS) 2075 tons and a light 10513 class frigate based on a modified design. 2335 tons

Vietnam has negotiated four SIGMA in October 2011 by Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung's visiting to Netherlands. The Dutch Schelde shipyard in Vlissingen, Netherlands will build four Sigma corvettes for the Vietnamese Navy. The first two ships will be built in Vlissingen, and the last two will be built in Vietnam, under Dutch supervision

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma_class_corvette
http://defense-update.com/20111023_v...therlands.html

Noteworthy in this context:

Schelde is expecting to become even more integrated within the Damen Shipyards Group. Damen is planning to develop “more and better standard products” and will be investing in shipyards in countries with “competitive wages.” One such is Vietnam, where Damen is building a large shipyard that’s slated to start operations in 2010, which in the longer term will also provide opportunities for Schelde

This cooperation works both ways.
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...20Ship&next=20

Damen has indeed acquired a yard in Vietnam: Damen SongCam Shipyard (Haiphong, Vietnam)
http://www.damen.nl/en/companies/damen-songcam-shipyard

Damen Shipyards has signed an agreement with the Vietnam Shipbuilding Industry Group (Vinashin) in Hanoi, one of the larger Vietnamese state-owned enterprises, for the joint building and exploitation of a wharf/yard in Haiphong. That yard will be named Damen Vinashin Shipyard. Vinashin has designated the Song Cam Shipyard as local partner. The first phase is to be completed februari 2012.
The yard will deliver about 12 ships per annum. All orders are to date for export. The yard will gave a Syncrolift shiplift, with a capacity of 2500 ton, a finishing hall of 80 by 40 meters and various workbuildins and offices. In the second phase of the five-year plan the capacity will be extended to max. 30 workboats, tugs and fast craft per year in the finishing hall of 160 by 150 meters. The 42 hectare site also has enough room for subcontractors and suppliers.
http://www.schuttevaer.nl/nieuws/sch...n-vietnam.html
http://www.shipbuilding-industry.eu/...ing_v2/?p=2200
http://stopwapenhandel.org/node/1138

On the four ship deal:
http://www.pzc.nl/regio/9590276/Viet...Vlissingen.ece
http://www.omroepzeeland.nl/audio/da...n-voor-vietnam
http://www.defensenews.com/article/2...lass-Corvettes

Damen Group has already delivered some Damen Stan 4207 patrol vessels for search and rescue missions.

The Vietnam Marine Police also cooperated with Damen Group to build large vessels with Dutch license, such as one offshore patrol vessel 9014, one hydrographic survey vessel 6613, four salvage tugs 6412.[7][8] These vessels will be built in Vietnam by the Song Thu company.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damen_G..._Marine_Police

[JangBoGo]

Wan,
Thanks, it was interesting as usual.

But,

Sigma <> Buyan-M
ARE THEY COMPARABLE SHIPS?!?

Displacement:
550 Tons (project 21630)
949 Tons (project 21631)

Length:
62 m (203 ft) (21630)
74.1 m (243 ft) (21631)

Beam:
9.6 m (31 ft) (21630)
11 m (36 ft) (21631)

Height: 6.57 m (22 ft)

Draft:
2 m (7 ft) (21630)
2.6 m (9 ft) (21631)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyan_class_corvette

We can see from the above spec itself the displacement difference between Pr.21630 & Pr.21631. The ship that started with 550tons have grown to 949 tons and the Sigma class in its smallest variant starts at 1,692tons.

Now look again the new model displayed, it is based on the Pr.21361 but it is longer and hence will likely displace higher than the Pr.21361. I don't know its dimensions so cant tell about its beam or draught or length. But we can assume that it will be displacing atleast 500 tons more (considering 21360 & 21361). Add that figure and what we get is a ship that is atleast about 1500 tons in displacement. So the new model has to be similar in displacement to the Sigma.

This model represent a scalable design and a perfect example from the Russian design bureau. Now the last major scalable design that we heard about was when the Pr.22350 was launched. It was then said the design was scalable to higher tonnage, so there is a chance the speculated new destroyer for RuN be based on the Pr.22350..

Vietnam has negotiated four SIGMA in October 2011 by Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung's visiting to Netherlands. The Dutch Schelde shipyard in Vlissingen, Netherlands will build four Sigma corvettes for the Vietnamese Navy. The first two ships will be built in Vlissingen, and the last two will be built in Vietnam, under Dutch supervision

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma_class_corvette
http://defense-update.com/20111023_v...therlands.html

Noteworthy in this context:

This cooperation works both ways.
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...20Ship&next=20

Damen has indeed acquired a yard in Vietnam: Damen SongCam Shipyard (Haiphong, Vietnam)
http://www.damen.nl/en/companies/damen-songcam-shipyard

Damen Shipyards has signed an agreement with the Vietnam Shipbuilding Industry Group (Vinashin) in Hanoi, one of the larger Vietnamese state-owned enterprises, for the joint building and exploitation of a wharf/yard in Haiphong. That yard will be named Damen Vinashin Shipyard. Vinashin has designated the Song Cam Shipyard as local partner. The first phase is to be completed februari 2012.
The yard will deliver about 12 ships per annum. All orders are to date for export. The yard will gave a Syncrolift shiplift, with a capacity of 2500 ton, a finishing hall of 80 by 40 meters and various workbuildins and offices. In the second phase of the five-year plan the capacity will be extended to max. 30 workboats, tugs and fast craft per year in the finishing hall of 160 by 150 meters. The 42 hectare site also has enough room for subcontractors and suppliers.
http://www.schuttevaer.nl/nieuws/sch...n-vietnam.html
http://www.shipbuilding-industry.eu/...ing_v2/?p=2200
http://stopwapenhandel.org/node/1138

On the four ship deal:
http://www.pzc.nl/regio/9590276/Viet...Vlissingen.ece
http://www.omroepzeeland.nl/audio/da...n-voor-vietnam
http://www.defensenews.com/article/2...lass-Corvettes

Damen Group has already delivered some Damen Stan 4207 patrol vessels for search and rescue missions.

The Vietnam Marine Police also cooperated with Damen Group to build large vessels with Dutch license, such as one offshore patrol vessel 9014, one hydrographic survey vessel 6613, four salvage tugs 6412.[7][8] These vessels will be built in Vietnam by the Song Thu company.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damen_G..._Marine_Police

So the deal if already sealed (?) also have to do with better package offered by the Dutch including the funds injected into the shipyard by the Dutch company...

[Wanshan]

Sigma have got a new competitor from Russia and it would be better for Vietnam to invest in these... The new design is based on the Pr.21631 Buyan-M, which is modified version of the Pr.21630 Buyan. These can definitely compliment the Gepards.

These would be very good for not just Vietname but also for Indonesia who have got lot of Islands spread across to patrol. The Russian option definetely would be cheaper than the European ones. Till now Russia did not have a class of ship to compete with Sigma, but it looks like JSC Zelenodlsk Design Bureau have come up with a right sized one.

The gun on the model appears to be a 57mm naval gun... Overall, the hull is simlar to Grisha. +/- 1000 tons.

[panda]

USS Blue Ridge, flag ship of the U.S. Navy 7th Fleet, on April 23 will join a number of group ships to Da Nang to start his visit to Vietnam.

Flagship USS Blue Ridge weighs 19,000 tons and has been active on the payroll of the U.S. Navy from 1970 to present. USS Blue Ridge (LCC-19) is the lead ship of the two Blue Ridge-class command ships of the U.S. Navy, and is the command ship of the United States Seventh Fleet. Her primary role is to provide Command, Control, Communications, Computers, and Intelligence (C4I) support to the commander and staff of the United States Seventh Fleet. She is currently forward-deployed to US Navy Fleet Activities, Yokosuka, Japan and is the third Navy ship named after the Blue Ridge Mountains, a range of mountains in the Appalachian Mountains of the eastern United States.

With USS Blue Ridge, joined visit to Vietnam this time there are missile destroyer USS Chafee, USNS Safeguard, Task Force 73 and Force logistics Western Pacific region Ocean, as well as diving and rescue teams working.

Official welcome ceremony will be held at the Tien Sa port, Da Nang province. This ceremony will be attended by U.S. Ambassador at Vietnam David Shear; 7th Fleet commander, Vice Admiral Scott Swift; officials and American commanders.

http://trendnex.biz/defence/2092-uss...visits-vietnam

[JangBoGo]

Vietnamese Gepard 3.9





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[hoapilot]

[panda]

The group of Vietnam military experts go to Belarus expressed desire to buy 18 Su-30K aircraft modernize the Su-30KN standard.

This will be the first time there are two companies of Russian weapons in Vietnam market. Previously, the delivery of Su-30 aircraft for Air Force Vietnam were conducted in the aircraft factory Aviation Association in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, a member of the Corporation National Aeronautics Russia (UAC). 18 Su-30K aircraft are located in Belarus and owned by the Corporation Irkut aviation, the company is part of the UAC.

For 18 Su-30K aircraft in Belarus, the price will be $ 270 million (about $ 15 million for an aircraft has been modernized), compared with the current value of the 18 new Su-30 (more than $ 1 billion).

In 1996, Russian technology was not sufficient to generate 18 advanced fighter jets Su-30MKI aircraft that India has offered to buy. So Russia has produced with the abbreviated configuration Su-30K. But then India has asked to replace the Su-30K aircraft by a similar number of Su-30MKI aircraft more advanced configuration and return 18 Su-30K for Irkut Corporation.

Vietnam want to purchase 18 Su-30K