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    few snaps of Vikky under sea trials, posted by Igorr.




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    Quote Originally Posted by JangBoGo View Post
    ^^ Wanshan,

    Yes, but I'm not sure, maybe you are right.... but on the Vik, there are suppose to be three water cannons to cover the aircraft parking area
    Compare Delhi class, forward corners of the hangar section of the superstructure, just aft of the rear funnel.


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    Thanks Wanshan, yeah I can see the two on the hanger.
    Witcha also gave the link and its now clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JangBoGo View Post
    Thanks Wanshan, yeah I can see the two on the hanger.
    Witcha also gave the link and its now clear.
    FIre extinguishing equipment tend to be painted red .... :diablo:
    Last edited by Wanshan; 22nd June 2012 at 21:50.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witcha View Post
    If you ask me it should have been kept on a platform on the deck edge instead of taking up space where aircraft could be parked...
    It is positioned in the triangular area outside the parking lot. Due to ski-ramp it is not possible to park aircraft close forward of the ship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JangBoGo View Post
    ^^ Wanshan,

    Yes, but I'm not sure, maybe you are right.... but on the Vik, there are suppose to be three water cannons to cover the aircraft parking area
    Search for red. As per the Indian (and most international norms), all fire safety equipment (fire-ex, water cannons, plumping, pumps, fire extinguishing gas dispensers and sometimes even sensors and their control wiring) are coloured red.
    Last edited by Twinblade; 24th June 2012 at 04:36.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twinblade View Post
    Search for red. As per the Indian (and most international norms), all fire safety equipment (fire-ex, water cannons, plumping, pumps, fire extinguishing gas dispensers and sometimes even sensors and their control wiring) are coloured red.
    If you read my previous post #178 in the last page in reply to Witcha, after I made the initial mistake, you would have seen me mentioning the same thing.....

    Quote Originally Posted by JangBoGo View Post
    Thanks man for the link. I should have considered that fire-fighting equipments are usually red. As for space, its at the edge and hardly takes up the paring space.

    Yes, the flight deck have got anti-skid layer... helpful during wet deck ops...

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ni0A66lLPw...0/IMG_7377.JPG
    Quote Originally Posted by Wanshan View Post
    FIre extinguishing equipment tend to be painted red .... :diablo:
    Did you also mean the same?


    ....and thanks to you both for the response.

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    Sergie have not come up with any photos, but he have done his program for Vikky's sea trials. No Indian media outlet spared time for program on the sea trials and continue to give a step-motherly treatment to the ship...

    http://www.ntv.ru/peredacha/smotr/m2220/o104616/

    Its 245MB, if anyone have the patience to do a subtitle for the program it would be good.

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    INS Sindhurakshak is now under going her sea trials and I wonder if she will be joining INS Vikramaditya on their home voyage. It would be a good sight to see the two together...

    Russia completes India’s submarine modernisation programme

    The INS Sindhurakshak submarine came off the slips at the Zvezdochka shipyard in Severodvinsk on Saturday, marking the completion of a mid-life refit programme for the Indian Navy’s Kilo-class diesel-electric submarines in Russia.

    During a two-year in-depth modernisation the torpedo-firing INS Sindhurakshak, built in 1997, has been equipped with the tube-launched Club-S cruise missiles effective against surface vessels and submarines at a range of about 200 km. It has also been provided with some Indian-made systems, including a hydro-acoustic "USHUS" complex, a CCS-MK radio-communication system and Porpoise Electronic Support Measures. After going through sea trials and firing tests the submarine will be handed over to the Indian Navy later this year.

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    another peek of the sea trials from balancer forum...


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    nice one....... very good pics........

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    when will she see her first aircraft?

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    http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/75543.html

    Excellent photos of Vikra on trial.
    http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/9098/rsz11rsz3807.jpg

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    I think this shows the 3 fire extinguishers, in red, along the port flight deck edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR1 View Post
    http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/75543.html

    Excellent photos of Vikra on trial.
    Great. But missing the larger photos that he usually posts.

    And here more photos taken during the refit. Oleg mentions it as the first set among the 80 photos...
    http://kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com/75277.html

    and Witcha, here is a good one in which we can very well see the anti-skid top layer and the bare metal layer in front of it. He took this pic from the very edge of the ramp.


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    Gorshkov air trials to begin mid-July

    Interestingly, the fighters involved will include a Russian MiG-29K and a MiG-35 prototype, which was part of the Indian Air Force tender for 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA).



    The trials of the Aviation Facilities Complex onboard the Admiral Gorshkov, part of the ongoing sea trials of the carrier, are set to begin next month. These trials will test and prove the operational status of the equipment crucial for aviation operations off the carrier.

    Equipment and facilities like navigational and landing aids, directional and control systems, deck lighting, arresting gear system, restraining gear (which are the equivalent of hydraulic chocks before the nose wheel and one of the main wheels, imposed before take-off) will be tested in these trials, expected to be completed over a period of three months.



    The trials will also include testing of the aircraft lifts, electrical and fuel supply lines as well as the armament lifts. Navigational data intended to be fed directly into aircraft onboard will be checked for integrity and consistence.

    The sea trials of the Admiral Gorshkov began on June 8 and now the vessel will move from the White Sea to the Barents Sea for the scrutiny of the capability of the aviation element of the vessel. These trials will be held off Severomosk, close to Murmansk, primarily because the Barents Sea is not prone to freezing like the White Sea.

    The trials of the aviation element at this stage are crucial because of the tight seasonal schedules. October onwards, daylight and visibility become problematic that far north.

    Besides the independent stand-alone testing of these systems, there will be a gradual increase in the tempo and scale of the trials with aircraft conducting ‘Bolters’, or touch and go maneuvers, as confidence in the individual systems is increasingly assured.

    One significant feature of the Admiral Gorshkov, which will be tested, is its Microwave Landing System (MLS), an innovation that is miles ahead of the more common Instrument Landing System (ILS). While the purpose of the two systems is the same, the MLS brings much greater capability as it is multi-directional, in comparison to an ILS which can only guide aircraft in single straight lines. This allows aircraft to be separated horizontally until imminent landing.

    Something else which will be tested to the limit is the carrier’s Optical Landing System or OLS, which will provide pilots the terminal guidance for landing on the carrier.



    Interestingly, the fighter aircraft involved in these trials will include one Russian MiG-29K (the surviving aircraft of two Russian, Low Series Production, or LSP aircraft) and a MiG-35 prototype, which was part of the Indian Air Force (IAF) tender for 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA).

    Besides these, helicopter trials will also take place, involving choppers flying to various reference points around the carrier to pick up and check the signal strength of the radar and other sensors and systems that aircraft will need to rely on for operating off the carrier. The carrier is expected to accommodate more than 30 fighter aircraft, besides helicopters, once operational and commissioned into the Indian Navy.

    Although there is a 10-15 member strong Indian Navy team participating and monitoring the trials, all aircraft will be flown by Russian test pilots. Besides these monitors, there are already around 500 Indian personnel onboard the carrier, which will be known as the INS Vikramaditya once it is commissioned into the Indian Navy. The commissioning, expected sometime in December, remains on schedule.

    The Commanding Officer is Captain Suraj Berry, a specialist gunnery officer who commanded the frigate, INS Talwar, earlier, and was also Defense Attache to Sri Lanka. The CO of the aviation component is a former Sea Harrier pilot.
    She looks beautiful in all pictures, click on the image for larger pictures..

    In the below picture, what is the thing that we seen on top of the island where the radar is installed?


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    Crane I think.
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    She is a good lookin ship!
    The Indian Navy should be very proud and I'm sure She will have a very exciting and extended service life.

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    Thats quite a large puff of smoke there. Is that normal for these sort of large diesel powered ships?

    Hopefully no more burning of heat insulation materials.
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    Quote Originally Posted by killerbean View Post
    http://www.stratpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/PIX-4-VIKRAMADITYA-STEAMING-DURING-SEA-TRIALS-600-x-403.jpg

    Thats quite a large puff of smoke there. Is that normal for these sort of large diesel powered ships?

    Hopefully no more burning of heat insulation materials.
    it happens with all sort of diesel/heavy oil units when starting or when engaged full throttle/played with. Remember that ship is stationary and have not yet engaged the propulsion.

    The following pictures might be self explanatory w.r.t to the smoke during operation. All these pictures are taken from the top and near the exhaust stack. The guy is standing next the funnel and the ship is doing pretty good knots. If the thick heavy smoke that we see in above picture is a regular affair (which it is not), then they would have shown a blackened oily face.

    Also, they would not be standing there in the first place if it was a regular output from the exhaust.







    ^^^ in the above two pics we can see the oily particle deposited from the exhausts fumes on the outer walls of the funnel.

    below some 'clean' pictures..









    In the below pic we can see the fumes...


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    Quote Originally Posted by 19K11 View Post
    She is a good lookin ship!
    The Indian Navy should be very proud and I'm sure She will have a very exciting and extended service life.
    I agree, the conversion is actually quite elegant. In a way, it is too bad the same was not possible for her 3 sisterships...

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    A pity her propulsion systems are still so smoky even after diesel conversion...

    One significant feature of the Admiral Gorshkov, which will be tested, is its Microwave Landing System (MLS), an innovation that is miles ahead of the more common Instrument Landing System (ILS). While the purpose of the two systems is the same, the MLS brings much greater capability as it is multi-directional, in comparison to an ILS which can only guide aircraft in single straight lines. This allows aircraft to be separated horizontally until imminent landing.
    I find this part the most interesting. Is this the same system that is on the Kuzentsov or a new development?

    Have Western carriers adopted this system to replace conventional ILS yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR1 View Post
    Crane I think.
    That's probably it. I'm going crazy wondering what it could possibly be used for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Witcha View Post

    A pity her propulsion systems are still so smoky even after diesel conversion...


    I find this part the most interesting. Is this the same system that is on the Kuzentsov or a new development?

    Have Western carriers adopted this system to replace conventional ILS yet?
    Main propulsion is still boiler and steam turbine based. The installation of six new Italian-made Wärtsilä 1.5 MW diesel generators is purely (and sensibly) to help support the hotel loads of her significant new system and electronics fit. It has the advantages of not having to run up her boilers if she is sitting somewhere in harbour or offshore if they need to run systems like the radars or even the lights. Interestingly the Charles de Gaulle had significant power provision hotel load issues from the nuclear steam plant earlier in her life. They literally couldn't run hall lights under certain situations, I believe the partial solution was installation of extra diesel generators (somebody please correct me if I am wrong on that).
    A future lost through a lack of vision!

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    From blancers, INS Vikramaditya @Severomorsk Naval Base. click for larger image




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    TR1,
    you mean its the crane at the yard, rite?

    Quote Originally Posted by Witcha View Post
    That's probably it. I'm going crazy wondering what it could possibly be used for.
    The two cranes that you had earlier asked for (installed on the starboard) will be used to embark/disembark the boats we see on the sides and lifting the stores to the flight deck among others.

    Wanshan,
    After another look, I see six fire fighting units to cover the flight deck. 3 on the island and 3 in the area you mentioned. I think there is one more for a total of 7 units, and one near the aircraft landing aid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fedaykin View Post
    Main propulsion is still boiler and steam turbine based. The installation of six new Italian-made Wärtsilä 1.5 MW diesel generators is purely (and sensibly) to help support the hotel loads of her significant new system and electronics fit. It has the advantages of not having to run up her boilers if she is sitting somewhere in harbour or offshore if they need to run systems like the radars or even the lights. Interestingly the Charles de Gaulle had significant power provision hotel load issues from the nuclear steam plant earlier in her life. They literally couldn't run hall lights under certain situations, I believe the partial solution was installation of extra diesel generators (somebody please correct me if I am wrong on that).
    Yes, as per what I've read, the 6 Wartsilla is for power generation only and works as diesel generators and does not belong to the propulsion unit.

    Btw, did you meant to point out that the smoke we see are from the diesel generators being eengaged?



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